Has anyone seen what the health on Netflix?
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DocJayDee
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I thought it was very interesting. Any other thoughts?
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A bunch of cherry-picked BS designed to shock...
Perhaps do a forum search - there's been a lot of discussion on it in the past.18 -
I get my documentaries mixed up. Is this the cherry-picked nonsense mockumentary that reputable vegans want nothing to do with?13
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It's garbage.10
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diannethegeek wrote: »I get my documentaries mixed up. Is this the cherry-picked nonsense mockumentary that reputable vegans want nothing to do with?
Yes. Most reputable vegan sources/authorities hate it and realize that it's a completely biased hack job full of propaganda, pseudoscience and falsehoods delivered by quacks. It's utter trash.12 -
I get 'em mixed up too. Don't often see this much vitriol about a documentary so checking Netflix I see I haven't watched this one yet. Going to watch now though.2
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Just finished watching it.
Yeah, that sorta fair.livingleanlivingclean wrote: »...cherry-picked __ designed to shock...
I don't know why vegans would feel that way.diannethegeek wrote: »I get my documentaries mixed up. Is this the cherry-picked nonsense mockumentary that reputable vegans want nothing to do with?
DisagreeMichelleSilverleaf wrote: »It's garbage.
Herein, I believe, is the source of the vitriol.Yes. Most reputable vegan sources/authorities hate it and realize that it's a completely biased hack job full of propaganda, pseudoscience and falsehoods delivered by quacks. It's utter trash.
Pasted from google/define:propagandaDictionary:
propaganda
prop·a·gan·da
ˌpräpəˈɡandə/Submit
noun
1. derogatory
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"
synonyms: information, promotion, advertising, publicity, spin- The documentary says the problem stems in part from corporations and industries putting profits ahead of public health.
- Furthermore it claims they use lobbyists from industry associations to protect their interests.
I thought Michael Pollan had it about right, at least in that little quote, before watching What the Health. I also already had a dim regard for big pharma, animal/agra big business, and K Street. I think the idea that the problems of our society are caused by too much government regulation of industry and the markets are misguided at best and attempts to eliminate said regulations really just result in the corporations and their lobbyists writing their own rules without regard for the public interest. That is going to be all I have to say on that because I have no interest in politicizing this thread or the MFP forums.Michael Pollan wrote:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.
DocJayDee, I thought it was interesting too, and those are some of my other thoughts.I thought it was very interesting. Any other thoughts?14 -
Just finished watching it.
Yeah, that sorta fair.livingleanlivingclean wrote: »...cherry-picked __ designed to shock...
I don't know why vegans would feel that way.diannethegeek wrote: »I get my documentaries mixed up. Is this the cherry-picked nonsense mockumentary that reputable vegans want nothing to do with?
Here's one review that I think is excellent.
https://www.vegan.com/posts/vegan-dietitian-review-what-the-health/
My own thoughts -- from someone who kind of wants the claims for a plant-based diet to be true (but is not convinced) and who is struggling with the vegan ethical claims in some ways and is extremely sympathetic to veganism:
I hated the movie and could not get through more than half of it so far. It actually angered and frustrated me. I've also listened to discussions with the makers and found them disingenuous.
Problem: the health claims are exaggerated or distorted, and obvious points on the other side are ignored. Since I would really like an honest discussion of the evidence, that I could so easily see the counter and that it was not dealt with (and I thought the excuse for not dealing with it -- the pretense that no one would talk to them in what was an obvious set up -- was really dishonest and offended my intelligence as a viewer).
I also thought Kip Anderson NOT acknowledging that he was a long-time vegan for other reasons and pretending to be really bothered by the health stuff was really insincere and transparent.9 -
The China study doesn't even say what they twisted it to try and say.
It is *kitten* designed to scare people.6 -
Time magazine made some comments:
http://time.com/4897133/vegan-netflix-what-the-health/0 -
Just finished watching it.
Yeah, that sorta fair.livingleanlivingclean wrote: »...cherry-picked __ designed to shock...
I don't know why vegans would feel that way.diannethegeek wrote: »I get my documentaries mixed up. Is this the cherry-picked nonsense mockumentary that reputable vegans want nothing to do with?
DisagreeMichelleSilverleaf wrote: »It's garbage.
Herein, I believe, is the source of the vitriol.Yes. Most reputable vegan sources/authorities hate it and realize that it's a completely biased hack job full of propaganda, pseudoscience and falsehoods delivered by quacks. It's utter trash.
Summon Vegan
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Personally, i thought it brought some important info into the mainstream, which i am thankful for. Those who make money off your poor health, and those who make money off of selling you crap food, certainly didn't like the message, and i think that is why there has been such a backlash against it. I highly recommend the movie!19
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diannethegeek wrote: »I get my documentaries mixed up. Is this the cherry-picked nonsense mockumentary that reputable vegans want nothing to do with?
Yep.2 -
Personally, i thought it brought some important info into the mainstream, which i am thankful for. Those who make money off your poor health, and those who make money off of selling you crap food, certainly didn't like the message, and i think that is why there has been such a backlash against it. I highly recommend the movie!
How do you explain the vegans who are uncomfortable with the half-truths and inaccurate information in the documentary? We're not making any money off of anyone's poor health and we aren't selling anyone anything.10 -
What are your thoughts on those who are making money off of selling you "documentaries" that distort and cherry pick facts to create a compelling story that tells you what you want to believe?Personally, i thought it brought some important info into the mainstream, which i am thankful for. Those who make money off your poor health, and those who make money off of selling you crap food, certainly didn't like the message, and i think that is why there has been such a backlash against it. I highly recommend the movie!21 -
I avoid health-related documentaries because they always seem to be pushing an agenda and using cherry-picked (or even falsified) evidence to support their claims.
I'd rather watch nature documentaries!9 -
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I have, but eating the way he describes makes me sicker than better. I think each person has to eat for their own body. What works for me doesn't work for my husband.1
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No. Why would I waste any amount of time on that woo?3
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Personally, i thought it brought some important info into the mainstream, which i am thankful for. Those who make money off your poor health, and those who make money off of selling you crap food, certainly didn't like the message, and i think that is why there has been such a backlash against it. I highly recommend the movie!
I don't make any money selling anyone crap food, but I can still recognize when a "documentary" is full of crap and disregard what it says. I highly recommend you do the same4
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