How Fat Loss Works

Carlos_421

Excellent video by Dr Layne Norton explaining how fat loss actually works!

https://youtu.be/4emMWJwFX9k[/yt]

sijomial

Well worth 20 minutes of people's time - especially those new to MyFitnessPal.

RuNaRoUnDaFiEld

A little to weighted to TEF but other wise good.

I would just add for any one new that MFP diarys use your NEAT to create your calorie goal.

http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10614756/pro-tips#latest

You might like to post it on this thread too.

Carlos_421

RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »

A little to weighted to TEF but other wise good.

I would just add for any one new that MFP diarys use your NEAT to create your calorie goal.

http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10614756/pro-tips#latest

You might like to post it on this thread too.

I dunno, I felt like he did a fair job of explaining that while TEF is something that can be leveraged, it’s very limited and that the most controllable variables are going to be calories in, NEAT and exercise.

diannethegeek

Just giving this a bump.

MissyCHF

Many thanks Carlos, posting the video.

quiksylver296

He's the man.

diannethegeek

Bumping again to try and keep good information at the top of the boards.

srk369

diannethegeek wrote: »

Bumping again to try and keep good information at the top of the boards.

You are so good about keeping relevant information bumped high! I appreciate your efforts

Carlos_421

srk369 wrote: »

diannethegeek wrote: »

Bumping again to try and keep good information at the top of the boards.

You are so good about keeping relevant information bumped high! I appreciate your efforts

Same!

Live_life_well

As a newbie, I THANK you for sharing. So helpful for us rookies.

Jingsi84

Love this guy’s videos. Thanks for sharing. I’ve forwarded it to everyone I know!

somrok

Really interesting

MissyCHF

I'd never heard of him but thanks to the OP I have now, he talks sense without waffle.

SusanMcMc

This is a great video.

Jai8530

Nice and informative

Seabassx2

Great video

SilverRose89

Thank you! I've not heard of him but this is a great video. I will be sending it to a few people.

I had a watch of some of his other ones too.

richb178

He drew his scale backwards.

Funny, he appeared to be promoting CICO at first, but he eventually got there in the end and debunked it. Sure, short term, lowering CI will allow weight loss, but you can't just keep lowering it every time your BMR NEAT EA and TEF go down to balance it. And the 20% difference between protein and carbs on TEF only accounts for a maximum of 2% of CO, and actually much less because nobody eats only protein or carbs, so it's probably less than 1% of CO.

Now, having your BMR go down has a huge effect on CO, so you have to eat in a way that allows you to reduce your calories w/o lowering your BMR. This is why simply saying CICO is not true.

I think that video was confusing to most people and mostly worthless. Do yourself a favor and look into eating foods that lower insulin and into intermittent fasting.

Rickster1967

richb178 wrote: »

He drew his scale backwards.

Funny, he appeared to be promoting CICO at first, but he eventually got there in the end and debunked it. Sure, short term, lowering CI will allow weight loss, but you can't just keep lowering it every time your BMR NEAT EA and TEF go down to balance it. And the 20% difference between protein and carbs on TEF only accounts for a maximum of 2% of CO, and actually much less because nobody eats only protein or carbs, so it's probably less than 1% of CO.

Now, having your BMR go down has a huge effect on CO, so you have to eat in a way that allows you to reduce your calories w/o lowering your BMR. This is why simply saying CICO is not true.

I think that video was confusing to most people and mostly worthless. Do yourself a favor and look into eating foods that lower insulin and into intermittent fasting.

bull

it was only part one and only an explanation of energy balance for those that have very little understanding or knowledge of it

it was not a comprehensive plan of what to do in every circumstance

He says himself he is planning a comprehensive series of educational videos

jog on

russelljam08

richb178 wrote: »

He drew his scale backwards.

Funny, he appeared to be promoting CICO at first, but he eventually got there in the end and debunked it. Sure, short term, lowering CI will allow weight loss, but you can't just keep lowering it every time your BMR NEAT EA and TEF go down to balance it. And the 20% difference between protein and carbs on TEF only accounts for a maximum of 2% of CO, and actually much less because nobody eats only protein or carbs, so it's probably less than 1% of CO.

Now, having your BMR go down has a huge effect on CO, so you have to eat in a way that allows you to reduce your calories w/o lowering your BMR. This is why simply saying CICO is not true.

I think that video was confusing to most people and mostly worthless. Do yourself a favor and look into eating foods that lower insulin and into intermittent fasting.

And your PhD is from where? It is always CICO, "hormones" cannot create or destroy energy.

Jingsi84

@richb178 Would love to know how the scale was backwards.

richb178

Jingsi84 wrote: »

@richb178 Would love to know how the scale was backwards.

Because with a scale, when you subtract weight you cause that side to go up. So if he was lowering calories in, it should cause that side of the scale to rise, or in other words, the calories out would be relatively heavier so should cause that side of the scale to go down. He should have used a bar graph with a base line for when CI and CO are balanced, and then have CI go negative and CO go positive.


PS. For the haters, I don't need a PhD to know that, or that the grass is green, and I never said I had one and never knew I had to have one. And I don't believe I contradicted anything he said. First, you are in balance and CI = CO. Then you reduce you CI and your CO does not equal CI but is higher, so you lose weight. Eventually your CO reduces to equal your CI again. So now what? He's only posted part 1 so I can't comment on the rest of his explanation of how fat loss works.

stevencloser

richb178 wrote: »

He drew his scale backwards.

Funny, he appeared to be promoting CICO at first, but he eventually got there in the end and debunked it. Sure, short term, lowering CI will allow weight loss, but you can't just keep lowering it every time your BMR NEAT EA and TEF go down to balance it. And the 20% difference between protein and carbs on TEF only accounts for a maximum of 2% of CO, and actually much less because nobody eats only protein or carbs, so it's probably less than 1% of CO.

Now, having your BMR go down has a huge effect on CO, so you have to eat in a way that allows you to reduce your calories w/o lowering your BMR. This is why simply saying CICO is not true.

I think that video was confusing to most people and mostly worthless. Do yourself a favor and look into eating foods that lower insulin and into intermittent fasting.

Your BMR is directly influenced by how much you weigh. You can't keep BMR the same as you continue losing weight.
IF or "lowering insulin" doesn't change that fact.

Carlos_421

richb178 wrote: »

He drew his scale backwards.

Funny, he appeared to be promoting CICO at first, but he eventually got there in the end and debunked it. Sure, short term, lowering CI will allow weight loss, but you can't just keep lowering it every time your BMR NEAT EA and TEF go down to balance it. And the 20% difference between protein and carbs on TEF only accounts for a maximum of 2% of CO, and actually much less because nobody eats only protein or carbs, so it's probably less than 1% of CO.

Now, having your BMR go down has a huge effect on CO, so you have to eat in a way that allows you to reduce your calories w/o lowering your BMR. This is why simply saying CICO is not true.

I think that video was confusing to most people and mostly worthless. Do yourself a favor and look into eating foods that lower insulin and into intermittent fasting.

He did not debunk CICO. In fact, he straight up defended it against claims like yours.

I think the testimonials above from newbies saying that the video helped them shows that it isn’t confusing.
Just because it disagrees with your misguided viewpoints doesn’t mean it’s confusing.

Insulin isn’t the devil and does not cause weight gain. Nor does it prevent weight loss.
Intermittent fasting can be a useful tool for creating a calorie deficit if that suits your eating style but the benefits end there. The extravagant claims being made by the likes of Gary Taubes are both unfounded and overblown.

Carlos_421

Jingsi84 wrote: »

@richb178 Would love to know how the scale was backwards.

I’d be more interested in how a mixed up drawing somehow debunks the scientifically accurate explanations made by a Doctor of Nutritional Science.

Lillymoo01

richb178 wrote: »

Jingsi84 wrote: »

@richb178 Would love to know how the scale was backwards.

Because with a scale, when you subtract weight you cause that side to go up. So if he was lowering calories in, it should cause that side of the scale to rise, or in other words, the calories out would be relatively heavier so should cause that side of the scale to go down. He should have used a bar graph with a base line for when CI and CO are balanced, and then have CI go negative and CO go positive.


PS. For the haters, I don't need a PhD to know that, or that the grass is green, and I never said I had one and never knew I had to have one. And I don't believe I contradicted anything he said. First, you are in balance and CI = CO. Then you reduce you CI and your CO does not equal CI but is higher, so you lose weight. Eventually your CO reduces to equal your CI again. So now what? He's only posted part 1 so I can't comment on the rest of his explanation of how fat loss works.

Truly love how you know more than experts in the field simply by researching on Dr Google. Why would anyone bother with uni degrees anymore when Google gives a far superior education? Seriously, you are full of bull with no grasp on basic science.

Carlos_421

Let’s try not to get this thread closed. It has too much potential to help new members.

richb178

stevencloser wrote: »

Your BMR is directly influenced by how much you weigh. You can't keep BMR the same as you continue losing weight.
IF or "lowering insulin" doesn't change that fact.

BMR is "influenced" by weight, but there are many other factors. I don't doubt any of these:

http://www.studyandexam.com/factors-of-bmr.html

I believe the problem is that if you lower your CI by X amount that should make you lose 50 lbs, but your BMR et al eventually drop by X amount to balance CI, but you've only lost 25 lbs, then you have a problem. I read about these stalls constantly on this site, as well as weight rebounds. I've experienced neither in 6 months of keto and IF.

Btw, I've since watched some of this body builder's videos and I doubt he would disagree with saying that if you want to reduce body fat should reduce refined carbohydrates and skipping a few meals probably wouldn't hurt either. He seems to promote high protein, which is basically what I'm eating, with a lot of fat coming from my body stores.

I don't have any more time for all your silliness.

richb178

Also, I've seen studies that BMR increases during fasting, and I don't doubt that either. You can look them up yourselves if you'd like.

Carlos_421

richb178 wrote: »

stevencloser wrote: »

Your BMR is directly influenced by how much you weigh. You can't keep BMR the same as you continue losing weight.
IF or "lowering insulin" doesn't change that fact.

BMR is "influenced" by weight, but there are many other factors. I don't doubt any of these:

http://www.studyandexam.com/factors-of-bmr.html

I believe the problem is that if you lower your CI by X amount that should make you lose 50 lbs, but your BMR et al eventually drop by X amount to balance CI, but you've only lost 25 lbs, then you have a problem. I read about these stalls constantly on this site, as well as weight rebounds. I've experienced neither in 6 months of keto and IF.

Btw, I've since watched some of this body builder's videos and I doubt he would disagree with saying that if you want to reduce body fat should reduce refined carbohydrates and skipping a few meals probably wouldn't hurt either. He seems to promote high protein, which is basically what I'm eating, with a lot of fat coming from my body stores.

I don't have any more time for all your silliness.