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shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
...are you really concerned about 20mg of sodium? They are basically the same. Milk has a higher sodium count than soda. What I'm trying to say is, stating soda is 'not as healthy as water because sodium' isn't really true.8 -
shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
...are you really concerned about 20mg of sodium? They are basically the same. Milk has a higher sodium count than soda. What I'm trying to say is, stating soda is 'not as healthy as water because sodium' isn't really true.
I didn't say I didn't think it was healthy? Did you completely ignore the rest of my post and read what you wanted to? I said THE REASON SODA IS CONSIDERED LESS HEALTHY THAN WATER IS BECAUSE IT HAS HIGHER SODIUM AND ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS.
Clear enough for you now?15 -
shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
...are you really concerned about 20mg of sodium? They are basically the same. Milk has a higher sodium count than soda. What I'm trying to say is, stating soda is 'not as healthy as water because sodium' isn't really true.
I didn't say I didn't think it was healthy? Did you completely ignore the rest of my post and read what you wanted to? I said THE REASON SODA IS CONSIDERED LESS HEALTHY THAN WATER IS BECAUSE IT HAS HIGHER SODIUM AND ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS.
Clear enough for you now?
Nope. Can you explain why those things make soda 'less healthy' than water?10 -
shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
...are you really concerned about 20mg of sodium? They are basically the same. Milk has a higher sodium count than soda. What I'm trying to say is, stating soda is 'not as healthy as water because sodium' isn't really true.
It's critical to put this into the correct context that daily sodium should be between 1500 and 2300 mg meaning that we're quibbling about 1% of that daily intake.6 -
I'm on a diuretic (prescription, not street drugs), should I even be drinking tea?
I won't even look at a coffee. Although I do miss my caramel macchiatos, but too many calories anyways.
Also, LOL diuretics as street drugs. yeah, sure, that's what the kids are all hopped up on nowadays.1 -
JillianRumrill wrote: »I'm on a diuretic (prescription, not street drugs), should I even be drinking tea?
I won't even look at a coffee. Although I do miss my caramel macchiatos, but too many calories anyways.
Also, LOL diuretics as street drugs. yeah, sure, that's what the kids are all hopped up on nowadays.
This is a medical question. Your drug information should answer this and if not you should talk to your pharmacist and they can give you the proper answer.3 -
shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
Why are you concerned with 40 mg of sodium...sodium isn't unhealthy...it is an essential electrolyte. Not getting enough sodium is just as bad, if not worse than too much sodium. The more active you are, the more you need as well because you sweat it out. If you drink a lot of water you should also be taking in more sodium because you piss it out.8 -
stanmann571 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
...are you really concerned about 20mg of sodium? They are basically the same. Milk has a higher sodium count than soda. What I'm trying to say is, stating soda is 'not as healthy as water because sodium' isn't really true.
It's critical to put this into the correct context that daily sodium should be between 1500 and 2300 mg meaning that we're quibbling about 1% of that daily intake.
Exactly...2 -
shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
...are you really concerned about 20mg of sodium? They are basically the same. Milk has a higher sodium count than soda. What I'm trying to say is, stating soda is 'not as healthy as water because sodium' isn't really true.
I didn't say I didn't think it was healthy? Did you completely ignore the rest of my post and read what you wanted to? I said THE REASON SODA IS CONSIDERED LESS HEALTHY THAN WATER IS BECAUSE IT HAS HIGHER SODIUM AND ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS.
Clear enough for you now?
I thought your main point was fine.
What I think people are saying -- and I would agree -- is that people THINK soda is unhealthy largely because of misinformation. The main form of misinformation is that people buy into scare stories about artificial sweeteners or read stuff in the media that is quite misleading about the studies OR (less commonly, but it's still a thing) they incorrectly think there is a lot of sodium in soda. I think no one is really going to be worried about 20 mg of sodium (do you realize how little that is? how much salt would give you that much?), but they hear it's got a lot and don't look at the label or understand the numbers.
I realize you were not saying it was unhealthy, but that particular reason people give for soda being terrible is just wrong.
I do think drinking crazy amounts of diet soda (which perhaps could happen if someone only drinks it) isn't ideal, but mostly I don't think we are talking about that -- and I agree with what you said about it being helpful sometimes, especially in situations like the movie theater (I always drink diet coke at movies too).4 -
Ryansworld84 wrote: »I cannot ever accept the people who say they NEVER drink water and only diet pop. I drink diet pop but not in the amounts some people here do
I just cannot wrap my head around all the crap in it and what stuff we don't know about right now. For me my MO is more chemicals might be bad so dont over do it.
I'm not sure what you mean by "accept the people..." but it's perfectly appropriate for you personally to chose to err on the side of caution since you don't know yourself for certain that it's not unsafe. Problems creep up when people start making blanket statements about things they don't know or worse start telling others that no one should do it (whatever "it" might be).5 -
abbefaria4 wrote: »Sorry about the broscience comment. Having a bad day. I realize you probably know more about me on this stuff. I guess I just don't know what to make of it all the research. Your right. That was a good study. The studies I cited seem good too. I don't know what to say If multiple studies point in different directions.
The links you provided were to articles, not studies. Articles are prone to misinterpret and/or exaggerate the results of studies as the authors typically don’t understand the science behind them and most often have motivation to make things seem more drastic than they are because sensationalism sells.4 -
abbefaria4 wrote: »Wheelhouse15, your right. Sorry about how I sounded earlier. I'm not an expert. I guess I just thought the studies seemed convincing.
Props for allowing yourself to learn instead of blindly resisting facts to preserve preconceived notions.
Rare but nice occurrence.9 -
shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
Depends on your water source.
Bottled? By what company and what collection source?
Tap? What city?
Well? Which well from which part of the yard?5 -
Sure the content is mostly water, but coffee and tea are also diuretic so I don’t count them into my 6 glass a day consumption. The amount of water doesn’t affect my weight much, but my skin looks better and my head hurts when I don’t drink enough.
No.
http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/12187618
"...caffeine consumption stimulates a mild diuresis similar to water/, but there is no evidence of a fluid-electrolyte imbalance that is detrimental to exercise performance or health. Investigations comparing caffeine (100-680 mg) to water or placebo seldom found a statistical difference in urine volume. In the 10 studies reviewed, consumption of a CB resulted in 0-84% retention of the initial volume ingested, whereas consumption of water resulted in 0-81% retention."..
Yes, coffee and tea make you have to pee... because there's water in them.5 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
Depends on your water source.
Bottled? By what company and what collection source?
Tap? What city?
Well? Which well from which part of the yard?
Oh, just wait for the "raw" water scam too. I wonder when the first person will die or fall gravely ill from parasites and various other pathogens from that hot mess.4 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
Depends on your water source.
Bottled? By what company and what collection source?
Tap? What city?
Well? Which well from which part of the yard?
Oh, just wait for the "raw" water scam too. I wonder when the first person will die or fall gravely ill from parasites and various other pathogens from that hot mess.
Natural selection...5 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
Depends on your water source.
Bottled? By what company and what collection source?
Tap? What city?
Well? Which well from which part of the yard?
Oh, just wait for the "raw" water scam too. I wonder when the first person will die or fall gravely ill from parasites and various other pathogens from that hot mess.
Hipsters man. And I remember when drinking tap water was edgy.
Oh well, guess they need something to wash down those Tide Pods.6 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
Depends on your water source.
Bottled? By what company and what collection source?
Tap? What city?
Well? Which well from which part of the yard?
Oh, just wait for the "raw" water scam too. I wonder when the first person will die or fall gravely ill from parasites and various other pathogens from that hot mess.
Hipsters man. And I remember when drinking tap water was edgy.
Oh well, guess they need something to wash down those Tide Pods.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
Depends on your water source.
Bottled? By what company and what collection source?
Tap? What city?
Well? Which well from which part of the yard?
Oh, just wait for the "raw" water scam too. I wonder when the first person will die or fall gravely ill from parasites and various other pathogens from that hot mess.
Hipsters man. And I remember when drinking tap water was edgy.
Oh well, guess they need something to wash down those Tide Pods.
Raw water and Tide Pods could be the ultimate “cleanse”.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »shannonprovenzano2812 wrote: »abbefaria4 wrote: »As far as I can tell, scientific opinion is overwhelmingly against diet soda. Consider the below link that discusses the current state of research to date. Is there a single major scientist who is confident that diet soda does not cause weight gain?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/08/the-awful-truth-about-diet-soda-and-weight-gain-according-to-science/#4dbd4f7462f8
Also, you mentioned the reason people drinking diet soda gain more weight is because they use it to justify eating more. Do you have any evidence to back that up. Consider Stanford professor Kelly McGonigal's explanation of the more likely reason why people eat more on diet soda. I'm quoting chapter three of her book The Willpower Instinct. It's discussing why people have a hard time staying on diets. "This is a little known effect of diet soda that contributes to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. The sweet taste tricks the body into taking up glucose from the bloodstream in anticipation of a sugar spike. You're left with less energy and less self-control, while your body and brain wonder what happened to the sugar rush you were promised. This may be why recent studies show diet soda is associated with weight gain, not weight loss."
Kelly's point isn't that people irrationally eat more because of "magical thinking", it's that diet soda has an actual metabolic effect which makes them hungrier.
If it weren't for diet soda, I wouldn't have survived this long on my diet. Is it as healthy as water? No! there's sodium and artificial sweeteners in it. But it is very low- no calories. A bottle of coke zero has about 4 calories from the artificial sweetener but they're allowed to mark the calories as zero because anything under than 5 counts as insignificant to the FDA.
There have been studies done that show artificial sweeteners cause a chemical reaction in the body that may trigger hunger/ sugar cravings like the one above. But for me, diet soda is a lifesaver because if I'm at the movies and everyone near me is eating popcorn and drinking sprite, at least I have something that isn't water to drink. I've lost over 90lbs drinking a few bottles a day. It doesn't contribute calories. Also, for every article you've pulled, I can pull another one stating the exact opposite.
Soda has the same amount of sodium as water, just an FYI.
There is about 18MG of sodium in 12 ounces of water. 40MG in 12 ounces of diet coke...
Depends on your water source.
Bottled? By what company and what collection source?
Tap? What city?
Well? Which well from which part of the yard?
Oh, just wait for the "raw" water scam too. I wonder when the first person will die or fall gravely ill from parasites and various other pathogens from that hot mess.
Hipsters man. And I remember when drinking tap water was edgy.
Oh well, guess they need something to wash down those Tide Pods.
Raw water and Tide Pods could be the ultimate “cleanse”.
Well, it would be monumental but probably not enjoyable.0
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