Jeans from the 80s vs Jeans from today
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I read that the 000 and 00 sizes were made to accommodate Asian women who are genetically much smaller in frame size and couldn’t find anything to fit them in American stores. A lot of American stores like JCrew, Gap, etc. have stores internationally.
Personally I wish my midsection would get as lean as the rest of me no matter what size it is according to some random store. It’s taking so looong to look lean.3 -
ITUSGirl51 wrote: »
Why people that post here are in denial that this is a real thing is beyond me. I don’t care that I’ve seen sizes shrink per se. but it is kind of funny. No offense, but today’s size 6 means you probably are on a diet.
Or you're more than 5 feet tall. I see plenty of people that are a size 6, 10, or even 14 that don't need to diet. But they're 5'8, 5'10 or 6'1. Not everyone is meant to weigh 100lbs. Health BMI for me (haven't been there in years! but it exists) is 170 lbs. I'd still be at least a size 12, and I wouldn't be on a diet.
I don't deny vanity sizing is a thing. But I also don't believe a size 6 necessarily means you need to diet. I'm 5'2, 115#, size 8 jeans. I'm well within the healthy BMI range and fairly happy with my stats. (apologies for the crappy pic!)
Are those US 8 jeans? I’m 5’8” wearing size 8 jeans and I’m not as slim as you. A UK 8 is like a US 4.
Yes, these are US 8.
I own a random size 8 dress that fits me too. And I'm currently a size 0. So what!
I'm 5'2" and the most I've ever weighed, aside from pregnancy, was about 125. Even then I was never a size 8.
Not to call *kitten*, but... never mind. Yup, *kitten*.
Call *kitten* on what? That I wear a size 8 jeans? This is not a one-off pair. All of the jeans I wear these days are size 8 or 6. I went shopping the other day and couldn't squeeze myself into a 4 (in jeans) with a shoehorn! This is what I was saying earlier about being perplexed. Apparently vanity sizing does not apply to me. Maybe has to do with my weight redistribution post pregnancy...I have a thick waist, compared. Plus some leftover baby pouch that just. won't. leave.
Kudos for keeping your weight low, even during pregnancy! I was tipping 190 with my twins (all belly).
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ITUSGirl51 wrote: »
Why people that post here are in denial that this is a real thing is beyond me. I don’t care that I’ve seen sizes shrink per se. but it is kind of funny. No offense, but today’s size 6 means you probably are on a diet.
Or you're more than 5 feet tall. I see plenty of people that are a size 6, 10, or even 14 that don't need to diet. But they're 5'8, 5'10 or 6'1. Not everyone is meant to weigh 100lbs. Health BMI for me (haven't been there in years! but it exists) is 170 lbs. I'd still be at least a size 12, and I wouldn't be on a diet.
I don't deny vanity sizing is a thing. But I also don't believe a size 6 necessarily means you need to diet. I'm 5'2, 115#, size 8 jeans. I'm well within the healthy BMI range and fairly happy with my stats. (apologies for the crappy pic!)
Are those US 8 jeans? I’m 5’8” wearing size 8 jeans and I’m not as slim as you. A UK 8 is like a US 4.
Yes, these are US 8.
I own a random size 8 dress that fits me too. And I'm currently a size 0. So what!
I'm 5'2" and the most I've ever weighed, aside from pregnancy, was about 125. Even then I was never a size 8.
Not to call *kitten*, but... never mind. Yup, *kitten*.
Call *kitten* on what? That I wear a size 8 jeans? This is not a one-off pair. All of the jeans I wear these days are size 8 or 6. I went shopping the other day and couldn't squeeze myself into a 4 (in jeans) with a shoehorn! This is what I was saying earlier about being perplexed. Apparently vanity sizing does not apply to me. Maybe has to do with my weight redistribution post pregnancy...I have a thick waist, compared. Plus some leftover baby pouch that just. won't. leave.
Kudos for keeping your weight low, even during pregnancy! I was tipping 190 with my twins (all belly).
Edit: missing words.
Wow. That is interesting then. Idk.
I assume you had a csection? Those are tough. I had an emergency one and it really messed up my body. My waist also has not been the same.
Yes, I hit 140. But it would have been much more with twins. I cannot imagine. Although I’d love to have twins, or just even two children now.
Have you tried to pilates? I wore that band around my waist post pregnancy for about three months then got back to pilates. They both have helped. But yea, my waist is thicker now too then it was.
. You do look good though!
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ITUSGirl51 wrote: »
Why people that post here are in denial that this is a real thing is beyond me. I don’t care that I’ve seen sizes shrink per se. but it is kind of funny. No offense, but today’s size 6 means you probably are on a diet.
Or you're more than 5 feet tall. I see plenty of people that are a size 6, 10, or even 14 that don't need to diet. But they're 5'8, 5'10 or 6'1. Not everyone is meant to weigh 100lbs. Health BMI for me (haven't been there in years! but it exists) is 170 lbs. I'd still be at least a size 12, and I wouldn't be on a diet.
I don't deny vanity sizing is a thing. But I also don't believe a size 6 necessarily means you need to diet. I'm 5'2, 115#, size 8 jeans. I'm well within the healthy BMI range and fairly happy with my stats. (apologies for the crappy pic!)
Are those US 8 jeans? I’m 5’8” wearing size 8 jeans and I’m not as slim as you. A UK 8 is like a US 4.
Yes, these are US 8.
I own a random size 8 dress that fits me too. And I'm currently a size 0. So what!
I'm 5'2" and the most I've ever weighed, aside from pregnancy, was about 125. Even then I was never a size 8.
Not to call *kitten*, but... never mind. Yup, *kitten*.
Call *kitten* on what? That I wear a size 8 jeans? This is not a one-off pair. All of the jeans I wear these days are size 8 or 6. I went shopping the other day and couldn't squeeze myself into a 4 (in jeans) with a shoehorn! This is what I was saying earlier about being perplexed. Apparently vanity sizing does not apply to me. Maybe has to do with my weight redistribution post pregnancy...I have a thick waist, compared. Plus some leftover baby pouch that just. won't. leave.
Kudos for keeping your weight low, even during pregnancy! I was tipping 190 with my twins (all belly).
Edit: missing words.
Wow. That is interesting then. Idk.
I assume you had a csection? Those are tough. I had an emergency one and it really messed up my body. My waist also has not been the same.
Yes, I hit 140. But it would have been much more with twins. I cannot imagine. Although I’d love to have twins, or just even two children now.
Have you tried to pilates? I wore that band around my waist post pregnancy for about three months then got back to pilates. They both have helped. But yea, my waist is thicker now too then it was.. You do look good though!
Thank you.
No c-section, thankfully. I don't envy you for going through that. I pushed mine out the old-fashioned way. Whew, I'm exhausted just thinking about it! Of course they are 11 now...
I don't do pilates...maybe I should try it. I do believe I have some diastasis recti going on, as my upper stomach sort of domes out no matter how light I get. I hate it in a bathing suit, don't mind it so much in clothes. I was never like that pre-pregnancy. I'm also pre-menopausal, so that could contribute to carrying more weight in the middle. Oh well!2 -
Also, my point is not that all size six women need to diet. My point is that vanity sizing is a real thing, so whereas a size six used to mean you were as thin as could be, now you will find *some* women wearing a size six on a diet. And not because they are anorexic.
Wow. So much body shaming in one post.
But hey. If you want to base someone's fitness and body comp off of an arbitrary number, you go do you.12 -
I still don't understand "waist" sizing. Why is everything with waist sizing when it doesn't even go around your waist? All my bands are below my belly button. My waist is right around my belly button. According to my true waist (around belly button) I should be a good 4 sizes more than I am but I am not because its the hip size that matters. I don't understand why waist is used for any pants besides high rise pants when the size of your waist has no factor, its the hips?2
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collectingblues wrote: »Also, my point is not that all size six women need to diet. My point is that vanity sizing is a real thing, so whereas a size six used to mean you were as thin as could be, now you will find *some* women wearing a size six on a diet. And not because they are anorexic.
Wow. So much body shaming in one post.
But hey. If you want to base someone's fitness and body comp off of an arbitrary number, you go do you.
I think she was just saying that at a current size 6 yeah there will be slim people who can fit in that size, but also there will be people who are overweight that could lose a few lbs since it's not as small as it used to be. (those who are short etc). I don't think it is body shaming or basing someones fitness off a number since she didn't say everyone. She just said some, which is true because you can't know someone's fitness/comp based on size, there will be people who do have too much fat at that size and those that don't.5 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »Also, my point is not that all size six women need to diet. My point is that vanity sizing is a real thing, so whereas a size six used to mean you were as thin as could be, now you will find *some* women wearing a size six on a diet. And not because they are anorexic.
Wow. So much body shaming in one post.
But hey. If you want to base someone's fitness and body comp off of an arbitrary number, you go do you.
I think she was just saying that at a current size 6 yeah there will be slim people who can fit in that size, but also there will be people who are overweight that could lose a few lbs since it's not as small as it used to be. (those who are short etc). I don't think it is body shaming or basing someones fitness off a number since she didn't say everyone. She just said some, which is true because you can't know someone's fitness/comp based on size, there will be people who do have too much fat at that size and those that don't.
But why does it matter at all? Who cares *who* wears a size 6?
It's not like fitting into some random number is this awesome accomplishment.8 -
I hate women’s clothing sizes. They’re all different. Why can’t women’s pants be sized by length like men’s pants are? I got a size 6 from banana republic that fit, and right now I’m wearing a size10 from old navy. WTF! They are owned by the same company even!3
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I hate women’s clothing sizes. They’re all different. Why can’t women’s pants be sized by length like men’s pants are? I got a size 6 from banana republic that fit, and right now I’m wearing a size10 from old navy. WTF! They are owned by the same company even!
barring any other reasons.. because we have curves (and also some items are meant to fit more snugly than is typical in men's pants). There can't really be a universal single-number (or even just 2-3 numbers) sizing system for us that will work.. waist, hips, leg length, torso length (or some measure for natural waist-hip distance), thigh circumference,.. will all decide whether a particular pair of pants fits us well or not.2 -
I have never actually found a pair of pants that fits me well/is flattering. EVER. I pretty much gave up ages ago.6
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collectingblues wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »Also, my point is not that all size six women need to diet. My point is that vanity sizing is a real thing, so whereas a size six used to mean you were as thin as could be, now you will find *some* women wearing a size six on a diet. And not because they are anorexic.
Wow. So much body shaming in one post.
But hey. If you want to base someone's fitness and body comp off of an arbitrary number, you go do you.
I think she was just saying that at a current size 6 yeah there will be slim people who can fit in that size, but also there will be people who are overweight that could lose a few lbs since it's not as small as it used to be. (those who are short etc). I don't think it is body shaming or basing someones fitness off a number since she didn't say everyone. She just said some, which is true because you can't know someone's fitness/comp based on size, there will be people who do have too much fat at that size and those that don't.
But why does it matter at all? Who cares *who* wears a size 6?
It's not like fitting into some random number is this awesome accomplishment.
People care, otherwise this thread would have ended long ago. And not necessarily because of ´others´ size, but because of oneself. I mentioned it on another thread on the same topic. I don´t blame vanity sizing for my weight gain, but it would have been a lot more obvious to me if I were wearing a size 26 as opposed to a 14! I am 52 and I know what I size 14 was in the 1970s and 1980s and it is about a size 6/8 now. This isn´t shaming, it´s just telling the truth. Women also care, because if not, designers wouldn´t do it. I have met plenty of women in my life who tie their beauty/worth to their dress/pants size. It shouldn´t be, but it is. This is also a fitness and weight site, so nearly everyone on here cares about being the best physically they can be, unless they are a troll.9 -
I think pant sizes have gotten bigger, but dresses not so much, which is a little weird. So I’m an 8 pant and 12 top/dress.
I went wedding dress shopping 5 years ago for our vow renewal and told the sales person I was a 12/14 dress (that was before I gained all my weight back again) and they said that would be like a 16/18 in wedding dresses and they didn’t have a lot of plus sizes to try on...ouch. I guess they still run the same as they did years ago. I ended up ordering a 16 to fit my top and altered the hips to be closer to a 12.
Btw...I’m now 10 lbs lighter than I was then (after losing it all AGAIN).1 -
I've heard that off the rack wedding dresses are not vanity sized and that some brides to be freak out when told the size they should get.
Here's a link to a short article with some graphs that show how the sizing has changed for women's clothing over the past 50 years: http://www.eonline.com/news/687475/a-brief-history-of-women-s-clothing-sizes-and-why-you-just-went-up-a-size3 -
lucerorojo wrote: »I've heard that off the rack wedding dresses are not vanity sized and that some brides to be freak out when told the size they should get.
Here's a link to a short article with some graphs that show how the sizing has changed for women's clothing over the past 50 years: http://www.eonline.com/news/687475/a-brief-history-of-women-s-clothing-sizes-and-why-you-just-went-up-a-size
This is really incredible that size 0 now was a size 8. I hate how sizes go up just because American's are getting fatter. I routinely hear people say "Oh I don't need to lose weight because I am a size ____". If sizes were true to how they used to be, they wouldn't have that false sense of "I don't need to lose weight".7 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »lucerorojo wrote: »I've heard that off the rack wedding dresses are not vanity sized and that some brides to be freak out when told the size they should get.
Here's a link to a short article with some graphs that show how the sizing has changed for women's clothing over the past 50 years: http://www.eonline.com/news/687475/a-brief-history-of-women-s-clothing-sizes-and-why-you-just-went-up-a-size
This is really incredible that size 0 now was a size 8. I hate how sizes go up just because American's are getting fatter. I routinely hear people say "Oh I don't need to lose weight because I am a size ____". If sizes were true to how they used to be, they wouldn't have that false sense of "I don't need to lose weight".
There is also the school of thought out there that people shouldn't weigh themselves, and should go by "how your clothes fit." That would be very misleading with the vanity sizing.5 -
I hate women’s clothing sizes. They’re all different. Why can’t women’s pants be sized by length like men’s pants are? I got a size 6 from banana republic that fit, and right now I’m wearing a size10 from old navy. WTF! They are owned by the same company even!
That is EXTRA crazy with those two brands, too!! I wore a 16 in Old Navy jeans when I still wore size 20 in even Lane Bryant...and I have several dresses in Small from Old Navy now which is absolutely laughable as I'm 10-12/M & L everywhere else. Meanwhile, I picked up some size 10 Banana Republic jeans that wouldn't even go past my thighs trying on - and most of my jeans (all different brands both high & low end) are size 10.
I feel like when I go to thrift stores (which is often) I just shop every single size from S-XXL and 8-14 because all of it MIGHT fit...annoying, for sure...sometimes not a bad thing though in that case!1 -
Agreed on wedding dress sizing.... when I got married I wore size 6/8 jeans but I ended up buying a size 12 wedding dress. I do remember that putting me in a bad mood! It did need to be altered of course, but the fitted bodice was not forgiving0
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lucerorojo wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »lucerorojo wrote: »I've heard that off the rack wedding dresses are not vanity sized and that some brides to be freak out when told the size they should get.
Here's a link to a short article with some graphs that show how the sizing has changed for women's clothing over the past 50 years: http://www.eonline.com/news/687475/a-brief-history-of-women-s-clothing-sizes-and-why-you-just-went-up-a-size
This is really incredible that size 0 now was a size 8. I hate how sizes go up just because American's are getting fatter. I routinely hear people say "Oh I don't need to lose weight because I am a size ____". If sizes were true to how they used to be, they wouldn't have that false sense of "I don't need to lose weight".
There is also the school of thought out there that people shouldn't weigh themselves, and should go by "how your clothes fit." That would be very misleading with the vanity sizing.
I've always assumed that this meant "how your own clothes fit." Obviously if your pants that were once too small are now loose, then you've lost weight.
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lucerorojo wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »lucerorojo wrote: »I've heard that off the rack wedding dresses are not vanity sized and that some brides to be freak out when told the size they should get.
Here's a link to a short article with some graphs that show how the sizing has changed for women's clothing over the past 50 years: http://www.eonline.com/news/687475/a-brief-history-of-women-s-clothing-sizes-and-why-you-just-went-up-a-size
This is really incredible that size 0 now was a size 8. I hate how sizes go up just because American's are getting fatter. I routinely hear people say "Oh I don't need to lose weight because I am a size ____". If sizes were true to how they used to be, they wouldn't have that false sense of "I don't need to lose weight".
There is also the school of thought out there that people shouldn't weigh themselves, and should go by "how your clothes fit." That would be very misleading with the vanity sizing.
I've always assumed that this meant "how your own clothes fit." Obviously if your pants that were once too small are now loose, then you've lost weight.
Yeah but if you continued over the years buying size 10 for example without weighing yourself you'd be in trouble. Since yesteryears size 10 is now a 2 or 4. And clothes stretch over time with wear so you cannot depend on it to assure you've not gained.0 -
Were both of them washed and dried? Maybe the ones from the 80's have gone through many more dryer (i.e. shrinking) cycles?
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Sizes have unquestionably changed, but given that this is a waist measurement, I still think a major reason for the apparent difference (at least based on the photo) is that the waist in the '80s jeans hits higher, and so would have to be narrower than jeans cut to end at the hips somewhere (which even in a 32 will involve a higher measurement since someone with a 32 in waist is assumed to be larger around the hips).2
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I feel like the difference between high and low rise is accounted for already. I mean, I wear my low-rise jeans around my 39-inch hips but they're marked a 30 rather than 39 (for the record my waist is 31" so the waist estimate is close even though the jeans don't go up that high). Maybe I'm missing something, but although I think it's getting harder for us to be individually certain whether sizing variations these days can be attributed to vanity sizing or the brand-by-brand free-for-all, the article linked on the previous page lays out the timeline of first vanity sizing and later free-for-all pretty plainly. I also suspect there was a time when UK and US sizing was the same, and we were not saying stuff like 'I wear a UK12/US8.'0
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I don't wear jeans, thus cannot comment on those. But I found a pair of trousers in a charity shop the other day, still with label. Nothing unusual. But these trousers are exactly the same that I had bought, and loved in around 2004 (I still have the original, by now torn ones in case I ever find the right fabric). Yep, same size, same fit, same pants. I'm also lighter than I was in 2004. Guess what: my body has changed too much and they are a bit tight here and there. Still fit, but it's interesting to see that bodies even of adults still change a lot.2
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I don't care too much about sizes. I try everything on because fit is so important. But, yeah, I think vanity sizing is a real thing. That being said, as I have gotten older, I have learned what looks best on my body, and I appreciate some of the new materials in jeans and other clothes today. Lemme tell you, my jeans size may have been smaller in college, but I look much better now - thank you, Old Navy sculpting jeans!4
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betty_veronica4 wrote: »I don't care too much about sizes. I try everything on because fit is so important. But, yeah, I think vanity sizing is a real thing. That being said, as I have gotten older, I have learned what looks best on my body, and I appreciate some of the new materials in jeans and other clothes today. Lemme tell you, my jeans size may have been smaller in college, but I look much better now - thank you, Old Navy sculpting jeans!
Definitely true about the benefits of modern jeans despite vanity sizing. How do I love thee, stretch denim? That and low waist. I have a super short torso such that, as I've posted elsewhere, low-rise jeans are nearly normal rise on me, normal rise are high rise, and high rise are halter tops. In fact, until low-rise jeans came onto my radar around 2001 (I was already 27 by then so way past puberty and hip expansion) I exclusively bought boys jeans and wore them at my hips.3 -
Can I just say, I LOVE that you've held onto that pair of jeans for over thirty years!
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Were both of them washed and dried? Maybe the ones from the 80's have gone through many more dryer (i.e. shrinking) cycles?
The 80's ones were washed many, many times. But jeans didn't really shrink a lot back then. Then denim did not have any stretch to them. After wearing them for about an hour they felt a little less restraining but did not stretch out lIke thsee days.
The new ones were not yet washed. Straight from the store.
If I am ever small enough to actually get a leg in and brave enough to squash myself into the old ones I will post a picture of me in both pair. But that could be a long time. Lol2 -
Can I just say, I LOVE that you've held onto that pair of jeans for over thirty years!
Thanks. When I stopped wearing them my Mom hemmed them and wore them herself for years. She was 2 inches shorter than me (5'2") so they are pretty short in kength.
I have been trying to think of someone I know who could fit them. (although they would be short) Then I could stand beside them in the ones that fit me.0 -
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