Healthy does not mean calorie free
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Correct. Everything has calories.1
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The problem is that people fall in love with their diet so hard that they push it like religion.yup. what I see is that a lot of the packaged or prepared foods touting healthy ingredients end up full of high calorie ingredients to meet the taste expectations of many people - coconut products, avocado, nuts and seeds - crunch and fat, and of course, sugar in some form. Sure, maybe a more nutritious substitute, but you can't eat anymore of it than what you're swapping it in for. Certain candy bars being lower cal than some granola bars...most people have no clue. Salad with olives, cheese, creamy dressing. I wish everyone would learn every food choice requires portion control....so you might as well eat what you like.
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My first few years of weight loss were extra difficult because I subscribed to the "just eat healthy" idea and didn't count calories. When I look back, I cringe at some of the things I did, like forcing myself to drink tons of orange juice & grapefruit juice.
A lot of people do not know better.
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seltzermint555 wrote: »My first few years of weight loss were extra difficult because I subscribed to the "just eat healthy" idea and didn't count calories. When I look back, I cringe at some of the things I did, like forcing myself to drink tons of orange juice & grapefruit juice.
A lot of people do not know better.
My friends still tell me that juice is healthy.2 -
seltzermint555 wrote: »My first few years of weight loss were extra difficult because I subscribed to the "just eat healthy" idea and didn't count calories. When I look back, I cringe at some of the things I did, like forcing myself to drink tons of orange juice & grapefruit juice.
A lot of people do not know better.
My friends still tell me that juice is healthy.
Well fructose is healthy right?
Diabetes educators never subscribe to drinking fruit juices only in the event of hypoglycemia! Even then I don't.......I drink a glass of 1% milk to bring up and even out blood sugar.
It kills me I see parents giving their little ones juice in a bottle and then at my job we see these same little ones with silver caps on all their teeth......ignorance....utter ignorance!0 -
I had a similar instance like this just the other day with someone at work. All she could talk about during our lunch break was how she was on a low carb diet and that was the only thing that works for weight loss. She went on to say that carbs were the enemy and it's no wonder how people are so unhealthy these days because carbs are in everything. She even found it necessary to condescend others because of their lunch choices.. "Do you know how many carbs are in that?" in a superior manner. It drove me crazy! I held my tongue because I'm sure anything I said would have fallen on deaf ears anyway. Hopefully your coworker will think about what you said!6
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You can "eat healthy" all you like, but unless you eat less than you burn, you won't lose a gram.
Also, please allow me to post this:
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The real issue is portion size. If someone eats a massive helping of "healthy" food, they're getting multiple times the amount of calories listed for a portion.
Over the years, bottles of carbonated beverages have increased in size from 8oz or 10oz when I was a child to 20oz now. People still typically drink the whole bottle, but when I read the label it says 2 Servings. So drinking all at once means consuming double of all the stats listed as per serving.2 -
I see this in my friends on Weight Watchers over consuming zero point foods and not losing weight or buying their package foods which is lower in nutrition and high in additives which make you hungry afterwards ,mfp showed me how to eat balanced meals in my calorie budget.3
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My ex wife was exactly the same, she would say things like "I can't eat that it's fattening" she couldn't understand 200 cals of cream is no worse than 200 cals of fruit and veg5
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My ex wife was exactly the same, she would say things like "I can't eat that it's fattening" she couldn't understand 200 cals of cream is no worse than 200 cals of fruit and veg
It can make a difference in terms of satiety, mind you. I limit most desserts to 200 calories maximum per serving. Homemade, that's not an issue. Outside the home, it might mean 1 to 2 cookies, depending on richness or half a donut. I generally pass up frosted cakes and pies. One bakery lists calories on the items they send out to chain coffee shops. Their turnovers are 600 calories. And looking at them? I know that 1/3 (i.e. 200 calories worth) will not be enough satisfy me. But more than that is going to take too big a bite out of my daily calories. So, while I'd prefer to say, "I think I'll pass, it's not worth it," turning down said turnover does pretty much fall under "I don't want to eat that; it's too fattening."7 -
My Mom is like this, she keeps asking me why she isn't losing weight since everything she eats is so healthy and she's walking on a treadmill 1-3 times a week. I keep telling her she has to stop snacking in the evenings (chips, ice cream, candy, chocolate).
She's always been thin when she was younger and has a hard time to accept that in middle-age her metabolism has slowed. She is also constantly asking me if I'm allowed to have this food or that, and she thinks her white bread is healthier than my brown bread because hers is lower in calories. I try to explain to her that not all calories are the same and you also have to look at nutrients but no success yet.
I eat smaller meals more often that them (my parents often skip breakfast and sometimes lunch as well) and I hate, hate the comments of "you're eating again?" Suffice to say visiting with them is always stressful.8 -
BattyKnitter wrote: »I try to explain to her that not all calories are the same and you also have to look at nutrients but no success yet.
Sounds like my mom... I told her to try keto (Atkins), but she hasn't even started because "what am I supposed to eat, give me recipes"... Now I'm trying to get her to understand how calories work and when she's lost some and is comfortable with CICO, I'll explain the whole macros thing.4 -
I've had the reverse reactions.
My daughter in law saw me adding some flavored creamer to my coffee and kindly said I shouldn't be having that if I'm on a diet.
We had a great discussion on CICO.... lifestyle as opposed to "diets" and calorie management.
I keep saying I can eat anything I want, as long as it fits my "budget".5 -
To piggy back on this, when people think low carb automatically means you can eat it and lose weight. Low carb is fine if that helps you but you need a calorie deficit. I cannot tell you how many recipes people post on Facebook that say "healthy low carb lunch" that have 4 cups of cheese, heavy cream and bacon. As delicious as that all sounds (and don't get me wrong I know you can eat all these things and still lose weight) but one serving will be a real calorie bomb.8
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You won't believe how many clients I get that tell me they eat "healthy" but can't lose weight. Then I mention CICO and they are like "fur reals?"
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or Sugar free or Fat free means it's okay to eat several portions of!4
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RachelElser wrote: »or Sugar free or Fat free means it's okay to eat several portions of!
Hahahaha oh yeah. My mom's very obese boyfriend always eat 'sugar free' cookies, I guess it makes him feel better when he eats the whole box? I think I compared labels once too and the difference in calories was actually pretty small...0 -
I don't think they believe it's calorie free, but they assume eating "healthy" is all that's required for weight loss
I hate to say it, but it does certainly work that way for me. I suppose we'd have to define healthy, but when my diet consists of: eggs (no more than three a day), raw veggies, raw fruits, steamed oats, and cooked veggies with a small protein for dinner... that's pretty much all I have to do.
That said, there are a million other factors that determine whether or not this will work. Me being a 240-lb. man probably makes this true for me.6 -
healthy2700mfp wrote: »I see this in my friends on Weight Watchers over consuming zero point foods and not losing weight or buying their package foods which is lower in nutrition and high in additives which make you hungry afterwards ,mfp showed me how to eat balanced meals in my calorie budget.
Yes! I've seen the new WW program with so many things as zero or very low points, and I just think "ummm...they still have calories..." That goes along with some of my keto friends who tell everyone else that you don't count calories on keto, just carbs. But see...both of those plans are making the assumption that people feel full after reasonable amounts of food and don't overeat. Many folks (certainly not all, by any means) become obese because they do overeat (myself included) for some reason. I overate on keto, so never lost weight after the first 1-2 month golden period. I know I wouldn't lose on the WW Freestyle program either, because I'd eat more than just a bit of the "free" foods. No matter how you eat, you still have got to be mindful of the quantity and calories.8 -
iWishMyNameWasRebel wrote: »healthy2700mfp wrote: »I see this in my friends on Weight Watchers over consuming zero point foods and not losing weight or buying their package foods which is lower in nutrition and high in additives which make you hungry afterwards ,mfp showed me how to eat balanced meals in my calorie budget.
Yes! I've seen the new WW program with so many things as zero or very low points, and I just think "ummm...they still have calories..." That goes along with some of my keto friends who tell everyone else that you don't count calories on keto, just carbs. But see...both of those plans are making the assumption that people feel full after reasonable amounts of food and don't overeat. Many folks (certainly not all, by any means) become obese because they do overeat (myself included) for some reason. I overate on keto, so never lost weight after the first 1-2 month golden period. I know I wouldn't lose on the WW Freestyle program either, because I'd eat more than just a bit of the "free" foods. No matter how you eat, you still have got to be mindful of the quantity and calories.
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I have this coworker who paid 150$ for herbalife in order to lose weight. What a waste of money. People want to lose weight, but instead of just eating less than they burn, they go through complex situations where they go out and spend hard work money on garbage for the sake of losing weight without effort. If you really want to lose weight badly, there's no way around it, it takes discipline, will and effort. I always say, if you want something, you have to do everything in your will power to make sure you succeed or else it means you do not really want to achieve your goal, you only wish it. Wishing it and doing it or two different things4 -
I see a lot of zero point WW meals on Instagram or FB, and when I do the math they can come out to 600 calories worth of fruit, eggs, and avocado toast.
My hubby is always eyeing up the size of my meals. I can fill a dinner plate on 350 calories or less, but he thinks I'm overeating due to just size. Meanwhile his snack is a king size candy bar and a bottle of apple juice with double or maybe triple the calories.
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Sure. I was making myself 1000 calories salads once upon a time I assume.6
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Sure. I was making myself 1000 calories salads once upon a time I assume.
I ate a whole bag of steamed broccoli with dinner tonight. 5 servings, according to their nutrition data, at 30 calories per serving. That's 150 calories. Not a huge amount (at least for my calorie level), but if you ate a lot of those "healthy" or "free" foods all day without logging them, they would certainly add up in a hurry.2 -
This is the Snackwell Effect of the modern era. Kind of like the frozen yogurt of the 90s. Just because it is fat free, or labeled low fat or lite, doesn't mean it is low calorie.3
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I've had this discussion with friends. One in particular cut out all grains, sugar, fat, etc. on some weight loss plan. Another did something similar. They lost some weight but gained it back. They wanted to know how I lost weight, so I explained CICO and you would think it was some revolutionary idea and couldn't believe how simple it was! They insist that what they did worked and they need to do it to lose, but when I asked if they're still doing it and if it's still working, they say no. I'm honest and tell them if it's sustainable and going to work for you, then you'd still be doing it or you would have successfully lost the weight and entered maintenance. The truth hurts sometimes but it certainly helped some of my friends join MFP after seeing and hearing my results.8
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lucerorojo wrote: »A lot of people have no idea that cico Works. The media and diet fitness industry have said it does not. If people succeeded at weight loss than a lot of people would be unemployed in the diet fitness industry.
It goes to show two things:
1) How clever (and deceptive) the marketing is in the diet/nutrition/fitness industry.
2) How uneducated the general population is about diet/nutrition/fitness.
And even just how uneducated the diet/nutrition/fitness industry are themselves.4 -
lucerorojo wrote: »A lot of people have no idea that cico Works. The media and diet fitness industry have said it does not. If people succeeded at weight loss than a lot of people would be unemployed in the diet fitness industry.
It goes to show two things:
1) How clever (and deceptive) the marketing is in the diet/nutrition/fitness industry.
2) How uneducated the general population is about diet/nutrition/fitness.
And even just how uneducated the diet/nutrition/fitness industry are themselves.
It's downright scary how many people claim to be dietitians/nutritionists/trainers, then proceed to spout woo that sounds like it's straight off the Dr. Oz show or the cover of a fitness magazine (which are in actuality nothing but a supplement advertisement catalog with some pictures and articles thrown in to lend them an air of legitimacy). Stuff that directly defies basic concepts of physiology.4 -
I used to think that so thought I couldn't lose weight. before mfp I didn't drink soda, rarely ate fast food, always cooked at home, hardly ate pasta or bread or lunch meat.Didn't snack & only ate twice a day. I used to get angry at my Dr when she said I need to lose weight. I ate mostly chicken, veggies & rice7
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This thread reminds me of a former coworker who would occasionally lament that she ate healthy, but could never lose weight because she had a "naturally slow metabolism".7
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