Difference in satisfaction
RecognitionT
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This goes back to when I was doing the keto diet and dropping the most weight the quickest... although I've come to acknowedge carbs aren't necessarily the devil - they have place in every diet, I personally can't live without them.
Ever since I started reintroducing carbs into my diet, my breakfast has been very simple, ready in <2 minutes kinds of things, like bagels with peanut butter, jam, cookies.etc
This morning I woke up and convinced my lazy *** to actually put together a quality egg sandwich that took slightly longer to prepare... but it was totally worth it.
After my bagels I'm very often left craving another ~1000 calories before I'm considered even moderately satisfied. This morning, I had a ~400 calorie egg sandwich and I'm fuller than it I'd have stuffed my fat face with 1000+ calories of basic minute meals.
I find it strange and am interested in whether you have similar experiences.
Ever since I started reintroducing carbs into my diet, my breakfast has been very simple, ready in <2 minutes kinds of things, like bagels with peanut butter, jam, cookies.etc
This morning I woke up and convinced my lazy *** to actually put together a quality egg sandwich that took slightly longer to prepare... but it was totally worth it.
After my bagels I'm very often left craving another ~1000 calories before I'm considered even moderately satisfied. This morning, I had a ~400 calorie egg sandwich and I'm fuller than it I'd have stuffed my fat face with 1000+ calories of basic minute meals.
I find it strange and am interested in whether you have similar experiences.
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Higher carb breakfasts are not satisfying to me. A higher protein and moderate fat breakfast does satisfy me and has what I call 'staying power' where I am not hungry till my next meal.
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Personally, satisfaction is almost entirely psychological. But it's an interesting topic/discussion, so can you give us some specifics?
Typical breakfast is, what, exactly? A bagel with PB? Or a bagel with PB, jam AND some cookies?
Breakfast sandwhich this morning was, what, exactly?2 -
Personally, satisfaction is almost entirely psychological. But it's an interesting topic/discussion, so can you give us some specifics?
Typical breakfast is, what, exactly? A bagel with PB? Or a bagel with PB, jam AND some cookies?
Breakfast sandwhich this morning was, what, exactly?
Bagel with PB is pretty standard. If I'm still hungry afterward, I'll add onto it with a bunch of cookies. If I'm still hungry after that, another bagel, with jam. The cycle repeats itself till I've had 1000+ calorie breakfast and I've exhausted over half my daily calories in less than half an hour.
Today's egg sandwich had 2 eggs, 8 g of mozzarella cheese, bread, and salmon cream cheese slathered on each slice.5 -
Nutrient dense fresh food wins hands down every time for flavour and satiety
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Protein and fat breakfast such as just two tiny egg cups will keep me fully until lunch at 12:30. But if I do my carb breakfast Overnight oats smoothie, I have to eat a snack before lunch in order to make it.2
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Bagels and cookies don't have much fiber, and PB doesn't add much protein, so yeah I'd be hungry too.
I eat old-fashioned oats with PB and fruit - lots of fiber, fills me up. Or an egg and cheese on a high fiber english muffin. Or cereal mixed into yogurt. Fiber and protein fill me up.
Satiety is highly personal. Agood breakfast for me may leave someone else hungry.2 -
ps your brekkie today sounds delish
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I have toast with peanut butter and jam everyday, keeps me pretty full unless I use really low fibre bread. If I have an egg sandwich I want more, especially if there is cheese involved. It's good to experiment and see what works for you.1
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I experienced this yesterday. I had enough calories left to eat McDonald's. I felt so hungry after I ate I ended up going over my calories by eating a couple of handfuls of dry Cheerios. My friend told me it's probably because I didn't have enough protein. I take a look at my macros and that seems about right. I was below even the USDA recommend protein for the day. I have always know protein keeps me fuller longer but never paid attention to it until this morning when I realized what I had done.3
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Different people are satiated by different things - we have to find our personal formulas by experimenting.
Sounds like you may've discovered you're satiated by protein and/or fat. Useful info.
Me, I'm mostly satiated by protein and volume, the latter of which I prefer in the form of fruits and veggies.2 -
I do not attempt low carb. I suspect that on days when I have a very carby breakfast, such as a bowl of rice, that on those days I have been unable to resist an urge to eat all the things the rest of the day. So, I don't do that anymore. My breakfast now seeks to get close to 30 g protein, whether it's my yogurt bowl, my smoothie, my overnight oatmeal, or my bacon and egg sandwich. In each case, my breakfast is less than 500 calories and I'm satiated for a long stretch of time until I have my very small lunch. When I get home in the evening I usually am not ravenous, and can sanely prepare and consume and log my dinner meal and evening snacks.8
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That sums up my issue with breakfast, lol. I'm hungry in the morning but most foods are totally unappealing to me, except carbs... and they definitely are not at satisfying as protein and fat.
Some people get full on oatmeal and I'm still hungry after a bowl unless I add 300 calories of toppings (in milk and nuts), which totally defeats the purpose. And overnight oats is easy worse for some reason.
When I started MFP, I used to have low carb tortillas with turkey sausage, egg, and a slice of cheese... was less than 300 calories and filling, and it took 5 minutes to put together. I miss that, but now eggs make me gag unless they're scrambled and runny... and I don't feel satisfied unless I have some carbs... so I typically need 400 calories for breakfast (usually some combination of bread/cheese/Greek yogurt/apple and sometimes a bagel with cream cheese, but that's closer to 600 calories!).1 -
I have a ham, cheese and egg sandwich every morning for breakfast during the week. Fills me up and usually keeps me going until lunch- breakfast is at 7am and lunch at 12:30pm.
I also have found that protein/ fat fill me up better than carbs.... although I do love my carbs! If I’m having a carb-y breakfast, for example on the weekend, I always try to ensure there’s some protein (and fat) up in there too.2 -
Some people get full on oatmeal and I'm still hungry after a bowl unless I add 300 calories of toppings (in milk and nuts), which totally defeats the purpose. And overnight oats is easy worse for some reason.
I thought I was the only person in the world with this problem. Fat is what does it for me. Give me my 6 oz of full-fat yogurt and a piece of fruit and I'm good until lunch. Smoothies and overnight oats and such leave me ravenous an hour later.0 -
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It's an individual thing. I personally feel better and perform better when I have more protein and less sugar at the beginning of the day and more carbs at night. I sleep really well after a nice bit of carbs before bed. That's not true for everyone, though. I also like to consume a good mix of carbs and protein after exercise. And fat is just one of those elements that gets spread throughout the day.
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Satiety fascinates me. Some of it may be physical and related to macros, but some of it feels mental or even outright arbitrary. It has so many nuances I have yet to understand despite doing this for a very long time.
- If I have eggs and sausage, I'm guaranteed to be hungry. Remove the sausage and add bread, and I'm full. Add a bit of cheese, just a little bit, and I'm super full.
- Two meals with the same carb, protein and fat levels, one has potatoes and one doesn't, the meal with potatoes wins hands down.
- Oats cooked with water and peanut butter leave me hungry despite having comparable macros to oats cooked with milk and a bit of butter which leave me full for hours.
- A ton of vegetables roasted with oil makes me full in the stomach but hungry in my head. Half the said ton + grains and less oil for the same calories, and I'm full all day.
- A soup with no oil leaves me hungry. Add a teaspoon of oil to saute onions before making the soup, just a teaspoon and nothing else different, and it transforms into an entirely different beast. More oil doesn't make any difference.
- I need over a thousand calories of kebab to feel full. Add bread, and I'm full for 600.
- Any meal that doesn't end with a tomato is not over and I'm not satisfied until I have my tomato.18 -
I just eat... 90% of the time I eat right and the other 10% I eat what I want and I'm still getting great results. For me it just all comes down to moderation. When I was doing a certain diet, at the end of it I would always say this is stupid! So I just figure out what I like to eat and made it work for me. I learn how to control my hunger with other things like good fats, coffee, and fasting! So I guess it all comes down to personal preference.2
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I used to find a tin of tuna more satisfying - in the sense it kept me fuller for longer than carbs1
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My breakie is a combo and is quite satisfying to me: toasted English muffin with PB2 + 2-3 eggs scrambled. I don’t pay attention to macros typically, but it has a pretty good distribution of fats/protein/carbs and clocks in at ~400 calories.0
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I can eat protein alone all day long (deli meat, jerky, eggs, etc) and still wonder what's to eat. But add a little carbs and I'm full on a fraction of the calories. Lately I've started taking my morning egg/veggie scramble or avocado and putting it inside a high fiber tortilla and I'm good to go for several hours. It's typically in the 300 calorie range.
I thought it might be the added fiber from the wrap but I can do the same thing with a breakfast sandwich from McD or BK and it works the same way. I'm certain they're not high fiber, so I think it must be the carbs or carb/protein/fat combo more accurately that does the trick.0 -
Lower carb does tend to be satiating to many people. It could be because of the protein or the fat, or it could be a lack of carbs.
My hunger is driven by blood glucose swings so carbs in the morning are usually avoided.
Today I had two slices of bacon and some coffee with cream and a bit of protein powder. It should be enough until 1-2 pm.0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Satiety fascinates me. Some of it may be physical and related to macros, but some of it feels mental or even outright arbitrary. It has so many nuances I have yet to understand despite doing this for a very long time.
- If I have eggs and sausage, I'm guaranteed to be hungry. Remove the sausage and add bread, and I'm full. Add a bit of cheese, just a little bit, and I'm super full.
- Two meals with the same carb, protein and fat levels, one has potatoes and one doesn't, the meal with potatoes wins hands down.
- Oats cooked with water and peanut butter leave me hungry despite having comparable macros to oats cooked with milk and a bit of butter which leave me full for hours.
- A ton of vegetables roasted with oil makes me full in the stomach but hungry in my head. Half the said ton + grains and less oil for the same calories, and I'm full all day.
- A soup with no oil leaves me hungry. Add a teaspoon of oil to saute onions before making the soup, just a teaspoon and nothing else different, and it transforms into an entirely different beast. More oil doesn't make any difference.
- I need over a thousand calories of kebab to feel full. Add bread, and I'm full for 600.
- Any meal that doesn't end with a tomato is not over and I'm not satisfied until I have my tomato.
ITA! I think folks who try to generalize satiety are barking up the wrong tree. There are all kinds of physical and psychological factors, as well as preconceived assumptions and lifestyle factors. To me it's one of the great things about logging! You can see the components of each meal and start to see your own personal satiety responses.4 -
for sure some foods leave me feeling hungry so i eat more. that's why it is so important to journal what you eat,or at least take note of days when you feel ravenous all day. What did you eat for breakfast? So, if you're losing weight and not hungry all the time , you know what's working.. so if you're always hungry you know what's not working.
so, now you know an egg sandwich is the way to go for breakfast for you. good work.1 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Satiety fascinates me. Some of it may be physical and related to macros, but some of it feels mental or even outright arbitrary. It has so many nuances I have yet to understand despite doing this for a very long time.
- If I have eggs and sausage, I'm guaranteed to be hungry. Remove the sausage and add bread, and I'm full. Add a bit of cheese, just a little bit, and I'm super full.
- Two meals with the same carb, protein and fat levels, one has potatoes and one doesn't, the meal with potatoes wins hands down.
- Oats cooked with water and peanut butter leave me hungry despite having comparable macros to oats cooked with milk and a bit of butter which leave me full for hours.
- A ton of vegetables roasted with oil makes me full in the stomach but hungry in my head. Half the said ton + grains and less oil for the same calories, and I'm full all day.
- A soup with no oil leaves me hungry. Add a teaspoon of oil to saute onions before making the soup, just a teaspoon and nothing else different, and it transforms into an entirely different beast. More oil doesn't make any difference.
- I need over a thousand calories of kebab to feel full. Add bread, and I'm full for 600.
- Any meal that doesn't end with a tomato is not over and I'm not satisfied until I have my tomato.
ITA! I think folks who try to generalize satiety are barking up the wrong tree. There are all kinds of physical and psychological factors, as well as preconceived assumptions and lifestyle factors. To me it's one of the great things about logging! You can see the components of each meal and start to see your own personal satiety responses.
What does ITA mean?1 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Satiety fascinates me. Some of it may be physical and related to macros, but some of it feels mental or even outright arbitrary. It has so many nuances I have yet to understand despite doing this for a very long time.
- If I have eggs and sausage, I'm guaranteed to be hungry. Remove the sausage and add bread, and I'm full. Add a bit of cheese, just a little bit, and I'm super full.
- Two meals with the same carb, protein and fat levels, one has potatoes and one doesn't, the meal with potatoes wins hands down.
- Oats cooked with water and peanut butter leave me hungry despite having comparable macros to oats cooked with milk and a bit of butter which leave me full for hours.
- A ton of vegetables roasted with oil makes me full in the stomach but hungry in my head. Half the said ton + grains and less oil for the same calories, and I'm full all day.
- A soup with no oil leaves me hungry. Add a teaspoon of oil to saute onions before making the soup, just a teaspoon and nothing else different, and it transforms into an entirely different beast. More oil doesn't make any difference.
- I need over a thousand calories of kebab to feel full. Add bread, and I'm full for 600.
- Any meal that doesn't end with a tomato is not over and I'm not satisfied until I have my tomato.
ITA! I think folks who try to generalize satiety are barking up the wrong tree. There are all kinds of physical and psychological factors, as well as preconceived assumptions and lifestyle factors. To me it's one of the great things about logging! You can see the components of each meal and start to see your own personal satiety responses.
What does ITA mean?
I believe it means "I totally agree". Correct me if I'm wrong.2 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Satiety fascinates me. Some of it may be physical and related to macros, but some of it feels mental or even outright arbitrary. It has so many nuances I have yet to understand despite doing this for a very long time.
- If I have eggs and sausage, I'm guaranteed to be hungry. Remove the sausage and add bread, and I'm full. Add a bit of cheese, just a little bit, and I'm super full.
- Two meals with the same carb, protein and fat levels, one has potatoes and one doesn't, the meal with potatoes wins hands down.
- Oats cooked with water and peanut butter leave me hungry despite having comparable macros to oats cooked with milk and a bit of butter which leave me full for hours.
- A ton of vegetables roasted with oil makes me full in the stomach but hungry in my head. Half the said ton + grains and less oil for the same calories, and I'm full all day.
- A soup with no oil leaves me hungry. Add a teaspoon of oil to saute onions before making the soup, just a teaspoon and nothing else different, and it transforms into an entirely different beast. More oil doesn't make any difference.
- I need over a thousand calories of kebab to feel full. Add bread, and I'm full for 600.
- Any meal that doesn't end with a tomato is not over and I'm not satisfied until I have my tomato.
ITA! I think folks who try to generalize satiety are barking up the wrong tree. There are all kinds of physical and psychological factors, as well as preconceived assumptions and lifestyle factors. To me it's one of the great things about logging! You can see the components of each meal and start to see your own personal satiety responses.
What does ITA mean?
I believe it means "I totally agree". Correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh! Thanks! 0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Satiety fascinates me. Some of it may be physical and related to macros, but some of it feels mental or even outright arbitrary. It has so many nuances I have yet to understand despite doing this for a very long time.
- If I have eggs and sausage, I'm guaranteed to be hungry. Remove the sausage and add bread, and I'm full. Add a bit of cheese, just a little bit, and I'm super full.
- Two meals with the same carb, protein and fat levels, one has potatoes and one doesn't, the meal with potatoes wins hands down.
- Oats cooked with water and peanut butter leave me hungry despite having comparable macros to oats cooked with milk and a bit of butter which leave me full for hours.
- A ton of vegetables roasted with oil makes me full in the stomach but hungry in my head. Half the said ton + grains and less oil for the same calories, and I'm full all day.
- A soup with no oil leaves me hungry. Add a teaspoon of oil to saute onions before making the soup, just a teaspoon and nothing else different, and it transforms into an entirely different beast. More oil doesn't make any difference.
- I need over a thousand calories of kebab to feel full. Add bread, and I'm full for 600.
- Any meal that doesn't end with a tomato is not over and I'm not satisfied until I have my tomato.
ITA! I think folks who try to generalize satiety are barking up the wrong tree. There are all kinds of physical and psychological factors, as well as preconceived assumptions and lifestyle factors. To me it's one of the great things about logging! You can see the components of each meal and start to see your own personal satiety responses.
What does ITA mean?
I believe it means "I totally agree". Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes, you are correct. All the kids are using it nowadays 2 -
I'm about protein and vegetables. The only meal I don't eat a vegetable at is breakfast, and that's because I have fruit instead. I don't believe a meal is a meal unless it has meat or eggs in it. And, I don't see any point in eating a snack that isn't protein based. In order for me to feel satisfied, I have to meet those guidelines or else I get anxious. I'll also choose to skip eating if that meal or snack won't meet those guidelines. I don't see any point in eating unless I'm going to feel satiated when I'm done.3
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