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DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »guess that answers my question, thank you all for you input...lol
also, i have to take gummy(and they arent bears, just circles...lol) or liquid vitamins due to malabsorbtion.
i had gastric bypass...no haters, please. i had to, due to medical problems. i dont need to be judged for it on here. i get it enough in real life!!!
If you already have issues absorbing all your nutrients, why are you fasting?
i am desperate...basically, that is it. and i will do anything that doesnt put me in the hospital, now or in the future.
What problem are you hoping the fasting will solve?
weightloss... my body is very resistant
What are you eating? Are you weighing and measuring everything?
What does your surgeon say?4 -
DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »guess that answers my question, thank you all for you input...lol
also, i have to take gummy(and they arent bears, just circles...lol) or liquid vitamins due to malabsorbtion.
i had gastric bypass...no haters, please. i had to, due to medical problems. i dont need to be judged for it on here. i get it enough in real life!!!
If you already have issues absorbing all your nutrients, why are you fasting?
i am desperate...basically, that is it. and i will do anything that doesnt put me in the hospital, now or in the future.
What problem are you hoping the fasting will solve?
weightloss... my body is very resistant8 -
DeniseMayree wrote: »ok, so its not a "fast"...
is it healthy to get all your nutrients through powders and vitamins(whatever form), NO FOOD?
If you're talking about just protein powder and multivitamins, my gut instinct is no because there are a lot of things that a multivitamin won't cover (like necessary fats). But if you really wanted to do this then you could look into something like Soylent, which is a liquid diet designed to include everything you need.
There's a lot going on here, between your different posts, and I think I'm going to fall back on checking with your doc before you start to be sure everything is cool.7 -
How long ago was your surgery? I would hope that your doctor/surgeon would have given you pretty specific info about how to eat after. Trust the doctor and follow what they’re telling you. Maybe you’ve just reached a plateau and it’ll correct itself? Hang in there, weight loss takes a lot of time and is a mental battle as well as physical ❤️3
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DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »guess that answers my question, thank you all for you input...lol
also, i have to take gummy(and they arent bears, just circles...lol) or liquid vitamins due to malabsorbtion.
i had gastric bypass...no haters, please. i had to, due to medical problems. i dont need to be judged for it on here. i get it enough in real life!!!
If you already have issues absorbing all your nutrients, why are you fasting?
i am desperate...basically, that is it. and i will do anything that doesnt put me in the hospital, now or in the future.
What problem are you hoping the fasting will solve?
weightloss... my body is very resistant
Have you tried logging here using a food scale for all solids? How many calories are you eating and how much have you been losing per week?
I'm really not qualified to determine how long a fast can be "healthy", but I personally find if I undereat one day I end up overeating the next. And I had a friend who would fast for religious purposes and then would end up hoovering every morsel of food she could find when she broke her fast. So I think for a lot of people, anything more than IF is probably not great for weight loss.
Sorry you're struggling :flowerforyou:6 -
Dietary fat is important. This plan sounds like a bad idea. Talk to your doctor, not randos on the internet. I guess that also includes me4
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collectingblues wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »ok, so its not a "fast"...
is it healthy to get all your nutrients through powders and vitamins(whatever form), NO FOOD?
Have you asked your bariatric surgeon?
Is there a reason that eating smaller portions won't work?
i do not have contact with my surgeon anymore.
my pouch apparently is still very small, i can only eat about 6 ounces of food at a time, when i do eat. and i am 7 years post op.5 -
collectingblues wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »guess that answers my question, thank you all for you input...lol
also, i have to take gummy(and they arent bears, just circles...lol) or liquid vitamins due to malabsorbtion.
i had gastric bypass...no haters, please. i had to, due to medical problems. i dont need to be judged for it on here. i get it enough in real life!!!
If you already have issues absorbing all your nutrients, why are you fasting?
i am desperate...basically, that is it. and i will do anything that doesnt put me in the hospital, now or in the future.
What problem are you hoping the fasting will solve?
weightloss... my body is very resistant
What are you eating? Are you weighing and measuring everything?
What does your surgeon say?
when i eat i follow the bariactric plan that was given to me years ago, that is probably why my pouch is so small.
although i am on medication that often messes with my satiety...sometimes in my favor, like right now(no appetite)
i have no contact with my surgeon.3 -
diannethegeek wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »ok, so its not a "fast"...
is it healthy to get all your nutrients through powders and vitamins(whatever form), NO FOOD?
If you're talking about just protein powder and multivitamins, my gut instinct is no because there are a lot of things that a multivitamin won't cover (like necessary fats). But if you really wanted to do this then you could look into something like Soylent, which is a liquid diet designed to include everything you need.
There's a lot going on here, between your different posts, and I think I'm going to fall back on checking with your doc before you start to be sure everything is cool.
thanks hon0 -
How long ago was your surgery? I would hope that your doctor/surgeon would have given you pretty specific info about how to eat after. Trust the doctor and follow what they’re telling you. Maybe you’ve just reached a plateau and it’ll correct itself? Hang in there, weight loss takes a lot of time and is a mental battle as well as physical ❤️
thanks hon, it has been 7 years. i lost 245 pounds and gained back 82 pounds and have just recently lost 8 pounds0 -
DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »guess that answers my question, thank you all for you input...lol
also, i have to take gummy(and they arent bears, just circles...lol) or liquid vitamins due to malabsorbtion.
i had gastric bypass...no haters, please. i had to, due to medical problems. i dont need to be judged for it on here. i get it enough in real life!!!
If you already have issues absorbing all your nutrients, why are you fasting?
i am desperate...basically, that is it. and i will do anything that doesnt put me in the hospital, now or in the future.
What problem are you hoping the fasting will solve?
weightloss... my body is very resistant
Have you tried logging here using a food scale for all solids? How many calories are you eating and how much have you been losing per week?
I'm really not qualified to determine how long a fast can be "healthy", but I personally find if I undereat one day I end up overeating the next. And I had a friend who would fast for religious purposes and then would end up hoovering every morsel of food she could find when she broke her fast. So I think for a lot of people, anything more than IF is probably not great for weight loss.
Sorry you're struggling :flowerforyou:
thanks hon. im just starting on here, and am checking everything out. i used this site for my pre op weight loss and successfully lost 40 in 6 months. i hope to find success again.2 -
DeniseMayree wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »guess that answers my question, thank you all for you input...lol
also, i have to take gummy(and they arent bears, just circles...lol) or liquid vitamins due to malabsorbtion.
i had gastric bypass...no haters, please. i had to, due to medical problems. i dont need to be judged for it on here. i get it enough in real life!!!
If you already have issues absorbing all your nutrients, why are you fasting?
i am desperate...basically, that is it. and i will do anything that doesnt put me in the hospital, now or in the future.
What problem are you hoping the fasting will solve?
weightloss... my body is very resistant
Have you tried logging here using a food scale for all solids? How many calories are you eating and how much have you been losing per week?
I'm really not qualified to determine how long a fast can be "healthy", but I personally find if I undereat one day I end up overeating the next. And I had a friend who would fast for religious purposes and then would end up hoovering every morsel of food she could find when she broke her fast. So I think for a lot of people, anything more than IF is probably not great for weight loss.
Sorry you're struggling :flowerforyou:
thanks hon. im just starting on here, and am checking everything out. i used this site for my pre op weight loss and successfully lost 40 in 6 months. i hope to find success again.
You won't find it through starvation and/or malnutrition.9 -
DeniseMayree wrote: »How long ago was your surgery? I would hope that your doctor/surgeon would have given you pretty specific info about how to eat after. Trust the doctor and follow what they’re telling you. Maybe you’ve just reached a plateau and it’ll correct itself? Hang in there, weight loss takes a lot of time and is a mental battle as well as physical ❤️
thanks hon, it has been 7 years. i lost 245 pounds and gained back 82 pounds and have just recently lost 8 pounds
The good news is that you are losing. Might be slower than you expect or would like, but it is still a positive step. Don't be rash and risk depriving yourself of nutrients.9 -
Not eating is a terrible idea for losing weight. When you starve your body, your metabolism shuts down and your body fights to keep every calorie and ounce of fat. If one truly wants to get healthy, they need to find the right balance of diet and exercise.22
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Not eating is a terrible idea for losing weight. When you starve your body, your metabolism shuts down and your body fights to keep every calorie and ounce of fat. If one truly wants to get healthy, they need to find the right balance of diet and exercise.
FIFY. "Starvation mode" is fiction, it doesn't exist. I agree with the rest.5 -
Not eating is a terrible idea for losing weight. When you starve your body, your metabolism shuts down and your body fights to keep every calorie and ounce of fat. If one truly wants to get healthy, they need to find the right balance of diet and exercise.
if your metabolism shuts down you die end of story.
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Fasting is NOT the way to go. Having fought this weight loss all my life, and spoken with various doctors, NOT 1 EVER SAID - “hey, why don’t you fast?” Or “Hey, let’s do a cleanse!” Why? Because they don’t work. It is ALL ABOUT calories in vs. calories out.
Oh - you caught that I didn’t mention exercise. Why? Because other than helping build up your endurance and helping to build muscle, it isn’t going to really help you lose weight. Yes, it makes you more healthy, but it doesn’t really help in weight loss. Why? Because you won’t ever be able to burn enough calories to allow you to have that evil chocolate cake you might want - or the milkshake, or the cheesecake, or the oreo’s - whatever.
Besides, if you eat healthy - I’m not saying only rabbit food - I’m talking about lean proteins, something akin to a higher protein, lower carb lower fat plan - then you’ll be able to lose weight as long as you eat less than you burn. Get a fitness tracker that syncs with MFP, and always stay under your burned caloric amount, and you’ll lose weight. I lost 90 pounds that way.6 -
DeniseMayree wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »DeniseMayree wrote: »ok, so its not a "fast"...
is it healthy to get all your nutrients through powders and vitamins(whatever form), NO FOOD?
Have you asked your bariatric surgeon?
Is there a reason that eating smaller portions won't work?
i do not have contact with my surgeon anymore.
my pouch apparently is still very small, i can only eat about 6 ounces of food at a time, when i do eat. and i am 7 years post op.
Can you get in touch with another surgeon or care provider? There are doctors and clinics that will take on bariatric patients from other surgeons. You really do need legitimate medical advice in this situation.6 -
Fasting is NOT the way to go. Having fought this weight loss all my life, and spoken with various doctors, NOT 1 EVER SAID - “hey, why don’t you fast?” Or “Hey, let’s do a cleanse!” Why? Because they don’t work. It is ALL ABOUT calories in vs. calories out.
Oh - you caught that I didn’t mention exercise. Why? Because other than helping build up your endurance and helping to build muscle, it isn’t going to really help you lose weight. Yes, it makes you more healthy, but it doesn’t really help in weight loss. Why? Because you won’t ever be able to burn enough calories to allow you to have that evil chocolate cake you might want - or the milkshake, or the cheesecake, or the oreo’s - whatever.
Besides, if you eat healthy - I’m not saying only rabbit food - I’m talking about lean proteins, something akin to a higher protein, lower carb lower fat plan - then you’ll be able to lose weight as long as you eat less than you burn. Get a fitness tracker that syncs with MFP, and always stay under your burned caloric amount, and you’ll lose weight. I lost 90 pounds that way.
you can fast but non eating fasts I dont recommend unless its a religious practice and then that is usually only a short time,or supervised medically. I fast 16:8 most days it hasnt hurt me. as for building muscle with exercise,that wont happen often on a deficit especially a big one. and you can burn enough calories to have a slice of chocolate cake(if you are a runner,cyclist or someone who burns a lot of calories),or whatever else you want. Heck you can fit it into your calories if you want pre exercise.
as for higher protein , low fat and low carb,that may work for you but is not necessary for everyone. everyones macros will be different,higher fat may satiate some while high protein or even high carb will satiate another person. so saying that but then saying eat less than you burn is IMO conflicting info in a way. fitness trackers are also not 100% accurate in most cases they are just an estimate. I find ways to fit foods I like that some may deem unhealthy into my calories. do I go over sometimes? sure I do. building muscle is hard in a deficit,but the more muscle you have the more calories you burn,while its not a lot it helps.
you cant say that a person cant burn enough calories to have a milkshake,chocolate cake or anything else because many runners,cyclist,swimmers, do burn a lot of calories.4 -
Perhaps check out autophagy, it's an amazing natural process that begins aprox 19 hours into fasting. There's a lot of popular myth around diet. In 2016 the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded to Yoshinori Ohsumi for “discoveries of the mechanisms for autophagy. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5240711/14
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