Recomp, eat less, eat more? Confused!

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  • nettiklive
    nettiklive Posts: 206 Member
    OP. I would seriously toss the body weight scale, it is messing with your head. At least put it away. Change your focus. Get a better goal. Like I want to enter a deadlift competition or enter a mini tri.

    :D:D:D:D:D

    Lolololol.

    Sorry. Just this is so so far from the realm of my interest that it's hilarious to even imagine myself doing it. Quite honestly, and I know this may not be the healthiest way to think but I can't help it, I despise exercise in spite of forcing myself to do it for fifteen years now. Literally forcing myself every single time, I still hate it. The only physical thing I enjoy doing is leisurely walking and dancing, I used to take belly dancing lessons that I loved, but it didn't truly count as exercise as I didn't even break a sweat. I hate anything that makes me physically exert myself. The ONLY, and I mean sole, only reason I do it is to look better because that's what I actually find motivating. I couldn't care less about actual fitness or strength goals. If that makes me silly and vain, well so be it, but I'm honest enough to admit it.
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    nettiklive wrote: »
    nettiklive wrote: »

    I sometimes feel bad about my thighs, because I look at other people's measurements in some threads and on some boards, and feel guilty. And then I remember that OK, there's no pinchable fat on them, and I don't want to be like a woman I saw at my park who was running, but had *no* muscle tone -- she was quite literally almost just skin on bone. And then I remember that these thighs can help me run for 13.1 miles, so I'm just going to have to keep them around.

    And, I <3 my leggings, because then, they really do look awesome.

    I can grab huge handfuls of fat on my hips and thighs unfortunately :neutral:

    No you can't. There aren't huge amounts there. Even the most fit people? Their muscle at rest is soft. Muscle is only rock hard when you're flexing it. I've urged you before to seek help, I'm going to urge you again.

    You have skin and yes, some fat on top of your muscles and bones. This is normal and what you're supposed to be like. You have very unrealistic expectations for yourself and unhealthy goals.

    Why would you say I have unrealistic goals when I'm even comparing myself to anyone else, just myself a few years earlier, when I was happy with my body? So I know it is possible for me, I'm just struggling to get there at the moment.

    Also just for reference and to show how much of a difference even a few lbs really do make on my frame (and also why I really really don't want to get back there), this is what I looked like at my highest weight at only 19 years old; I was only around 122-125 lbs here, believe it or not, and doing hours of cardio a week and constantly dieting and it wouldn't budge, however I was on birth control. Once I stopped, the weight fell off in six months with no real lifestyle changes. But I never ever want to look like this again. And it's only at most a 15 lbs difference with the photo I posted above, so naturally every extra lb worries me.

    I am saying you have unrealistic goals because you are only happy with your body when you are verging on being underweight.

    There is nothing wrong with you in the picture of you on that beach. NOTHING. Except your perception of yourself.

    Your goals for yourself put you at an at risk BMI grouping.

    That you are more concerned about each pound and how you look than health is worrisome.
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    nettiklive wrote: »

    If you're only happy with yourself when you are technically underweight, or even in that "you're underweight for a Caucasian population, even if your BMI is over 18.5", you need to talk to someone about your body dysmorphia.

    You're not going to get permission or validation here that it's OK to restrict back down to being underweight.

    erm...but doesn't it depend on your frame...? I have tiny child-size wrists which is why I always assumed I had a small frame. That's why I posted those pictures, to show how the weight actually looks on me - it's not about the weight itself, as plenty of 5'4 women weigh quite a bit more but look fit and smaller than I did at 125, yet on me it looked downright chubby, I hope you'll at least agree. I don't think I looked at all too thin or unhealthy at 110 either. Everyone carries weight differently, and just like some weigh more than they look, it's the opposite for me, people are usually surprised I weigh as little as I do.

    What are some of your other measurements? What's your underbust? Your hip measurement? Your elbow breadth?

    I have teeny, tiny child-sized wrists and very small hands, small hips but I know of people who have smaller, a small rib cage but I also have linebacker shoulders and elbow and knee breadth that would make your head spin because they're huge.

    Wrist size isn't the be all and end all of determining your frame size.

    And no, you did not look chubby at 125.
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    edited April 2018
    nettiklive wrote: »
    OP. I would seriously toss the body weight scale, it is messing with your head. At least put it away. Change your focus. Get a better goal. Like I want to enter a deadlift competition or enter a mini tri.

    :D:D:D:D:D

    Lolololol.

    Sorry. Just this is so so far from the realm of my interest that it's hilarious to even imagine myself doing it. Quite honestly, and I know this may not be the healthiest way to think but I can't help it, I despise exercise in spite of forcing myself to do it for fifteen years now. Literally forcing myself every single time, I still hate it. The only physical thing I enjoy doing is leisurely walking and dancing, I used to take belly dancing lessons that I loved, but it didn't truly count as exercise as I didn't even break a sweat. I hate anything that makes me physically exert myself. The ONLY, and I mean sole, only reason I do it is to look better because that's what I actually find motivating. I couldn't care less about actual fitness or strength goals. If that makes me silly and vain, well so be it, but I'm honest enough to admit it.

    I would genuinely encourage you to look into weight lifting. I started a progressive program with dumbbells about six weeks ago and have already seen impressive changes to the way my body looks. It's too bad that you dislike exerting yourself so much, but don't think that your failure to break a sweat in your dance classes meant you weren't getting a workout. Sweating just means your body is trying to cool off, nothing else. I've been working out in a chilly basement for months now and often don't break a sweat during my workouts, but I've definitely seen benefits.

    If the idea of starting a lifting programs is too overwhelming right now, you may want to check out the bodyweight workouts at FitnessBlender.com. They've got tons of videos at different levels of difficulty, and who knows, you might find something you can at least tolerate. Maybe try searching for their "bored easily" videos - these are structured not to repeat an exercise, which can make moving through them easier. Good luck!

    Yeah, sweating really is not indicative of effort. I rarely if ever sweat. It's a genetic thing. My daughter is the same way. We don't even sweat when we're hot. I can run in hot weather and not sweat except for my hands and feet.

    I used to really hate exercise and hate exerting myself and I needed to start doing it for medical reasons, so I approached doing it in terms of forming a habit. There wasn't room for "I'm doing this even though I hate it". I didn't allow those thoughts. It was like something I was just going to do just like I have to take my thyroid medicine, you know? It was just something I did and it removed anything I used to feel about it out of the equation.

    Well, something happened along the way while that habit was forming. I decided I might as well make it fun. Set little goals along the way to challenge myself to do more to keep things interesting. And I'm pretty competitive with myself. Not with other people at all, but with myself? Oh yeah. I got hooked on exercise. Me. A previous exercise hater. Life long couch potato. Affirmed slug. Now I can't sit still all day.

    So maybe, instead of thinking of exercise as something you hate that you just do for vanity, just think of it as a habit you want to develop... for... I don't know... healthy bones, maybe? Something positive. Starting with a different outlook might help you a little in your approach to it. If it helps you to know, weight lifting *is* very good for females especially as they get older for preserving muscle mass and strengthening bones, and these are both something important to consider.

    Definitely look into weight training, even if you just start with a body weight program. As anubis said, you don't have to lift the world. Just lift. It will get you, over time, a body more in line with what you'd like to see without worrying about what the scale says.
  • nettiklive
    nettiklive Posts: 206 Member
    edited April 2018
    briscogun wrote: »
    I get what you are saying, OP. I really do. You liked the way you looked back at one point and want to look that way again. The problem is, that was years ago, you've had another kid since then, you've aged, your body has changed, and it's probably not a realistic goal to try and fight Father Time and look the way you did when you were younger. I think that's what everyone is trying to say. You need to learn to like the best version of who are are NOW, not the version of you from back in the day because that ship has sailed.

    Also, you honestly look really good in all of those photos, but you have a picture in your head of how you want to see yourself in the mirror so our opinion isn't really what you are looking for. You're looking for info on how to get back to that one photo you like of yourself. Everyone is trying to tell you that you don't have to do that, you are in a great spot and look good, but you think you should/could look different.

    There was some good advice about trying to use body recomposition to help you achieve your results and I would echo those. I don't think a straight "diet" where you eat below maintenance is going to help you look like you did prior because you body is physically different now. You'd be skinny fat. But you say you don't like exercise either. Again, not what you want to hear, but as you get older, this crap gets harder and harder, and you have to work harder and harder for longer and longer to make it happen. No magic diet will help you, you need to put in the work (and that means exercise/strength training if you want to actually change the physical shape of your body).

    I just want to reinforce that all you can be is the best version of you as you are today, and that's still awesome! You may or may not be able to recapture that old self of yours, but we want you to know you are ok as you are and try to make THIS person super awesome and happy!

    Good luck!

    Okay, so just to clear things up because I feel people are misunderstanding:

    First, it wasn't "years ago", it was less than four years ago, in fact I was probably in the best shape of my life right before my second pregnancy because that's when I discovered lifting and started adding a bit of a muscle to a body I was already happy with. I don't think the difference between 31 and 35 years old is large enough to warrant many body changes based on 'aging' alone.

    What did happen between now and then is I gained the extra few lbs during pregnancy and wasn't able to shed, and also wasn't able to work out consistently due to childcare issues. I also just slacked a bit because I maintained my weight easily with very little exercise for years beforehand so I was just expecting to snap back the same way but didn't. However, there is no reason I would look drastically different now if I got back to that weight - at least I don't think so? In the picture I posted of myself at 110 lbs I actually wasn't exercising aside from some light cardio.

    However, I'm totally FOR lifting and have been trying to start a program on and off for the last year and just having trouble keeping it up consistently - husband works long hours, no other help around, kids inevitably kept getting sick and I kept catching it from them and missing workouts and having trouble starting up again. But I don't mind lifting as far as exercise goes - not to say I enjoy it, but I don't hate it as much as cardio lol, and I like that it takes less time and produces faster results.

    This thread has devolved into some weird therapy thing and I really wasn't looking for that. I don't need to be told that I looked fine at a weight that in no way reflects my appearance goals, hearing it is not going to make me any happier with myself. I was especially surprised to hear it on a forum like this and from some posters whose own profile pics show chiseled nearly-perfect bodies with not a ounce of fat to be seen. Seems a bit hypocritical and slightly patronizing even, but I get that you guys mean well. And I get that lifting and recomp is a good thing to focus on in the long run.

    All I really was asking about in this thread is basically, what would produce most effective results (in terms of visible changes) and be less counterproductive: trying to recomp/ build muscle while still having a decent layer of fat covering up any definition (since I know fat burn in a recomp is painfully slow); or trying to lift and eat at a deficit to 'speed up' the process, in a way. Again, from personal experience, I know fat loss tends to produce a more defined look faster - the whole 'abs are made in the kitchen' thing. I looked most 'defined' when I wasn't actually doing any lifting but was at my leanest. Which is why I thought maybe I should focus on it first and THEN go to maintenance and work to add muscle.
    Also there's the simple fact that I already know what I looked like at a smaller weight and that I liked it, but I have never really done a recomp while at a higher weight, and I have no idea what I would look like with that or how long it would take. So it's kind of a leap of faith in a way.

    Anyways. Thanks everyone for your input, I do appreciate all the advice.
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