Sleep -issue?-
JaydedMiss
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Thoughts appreciated.
Im not quite sure if this is a problem or not but iv noticed for the past month or so iv fallen into a weird sleep pattern. I go to bed around 10-11 relatively fine, And wake up at 6-630 fine. Dont even need an alarm because the thing is and i stress this part, Im waking up every hour and a half. Like exactly. I generally go pee or whatever and fall asleep again fast, But i am wide awake for a few minutes every hour and a half.
Im not necessarily tired, I wake up feeling energy in abundance but it seems to go away faster. A bit weirded out by exactly how precise it seems to be and im not sure why its happening. Iv tried not drinking water for a bit before bed incase its need to pee waking me, Iv taken melatonin, Iv tried exhausting myself completely with a super busy active day. Without fail im still waking up exactly every hour and a half.
I used to sleep for hourssss easily and i was up all night, but now it seems like im wide awake after a few hours and sort of just choosing to sleep more 1.5 hour cycles until 6-630 comes around. And again i stress its nightly its every day now not just occasionally. Its just super weird.
Any thoughts on why this may have started happening or if it may be good/bad?
Im not quite sure if this is a problem or not but iv noticed for the past month or so iv fallen into a weird sleep pattern. I go to bed around 10-11 relatively fine, And wake up at 6-630 fine. Dont even need an alarm because the thing is and i stress this part, Im waking up every hour and a half. Like exactly. I generally go pee or whatever and fall asleep again fast, But i am wide awake for a few minutes every hour and a half.
Im not necessarily tired, I wake up feeling energy in abundance but it seems to go away faster. A bit weirded out by exactly how precise it seems to be and im not sure why its happening. Iv tried not drinking water for a bit before bed incase its need to pee waking me, Iv taken melatonin, Iv tried exhausting myself completely with a super busy active day. Without fail im still waking up exactly every hour and a half.
I used to sleep for hourssss easily and i was up all night, but now it seems like im wide awake after a few hours and sort of just choosing to sleep more 1.5 hour cycles until 6-630 comes around. And again i stress its nightly its every day now not just occasionally. Its just super weird.
Any thoughts on why this may have started happening or if it may be good/bad?
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Do you take pre-workout/caffeine in the evening? Sugar/high carb dinner ordessert?0
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Welcome to getting older! Wait until you are my age. Ugh7
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Do you take pre-workout/caffeine in the evening? Sugar/high carb dinner ordessert?
No. Nothing has changed with my diet and no i tested caffeine its never effected me but its still something i tried cutting early to see if it caused this, No bueno, I have upped protein lately so carbs are actually lower by a bit, But i did that after the sleep started0 -
As years go by, it has become harder and harder for me to sleep through the night. I have to be extremely diligent about my sleep hygiene. One part of that is stopping drinking liquids at dinner and stopping caffeine a few hours earlier. You may not be stopping drinking early enough.
It could also be time for a new mattress. Or, if you just got a new mattress, then you got the wrong mattress for you
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L1zardQueen wrote: »Welcome to getting older! Wait until you are my age. Ugh
im only 24
I hate that im beggining to get old lol 2 -
seems like you guys are talkign about sleep problems and i guess i am to im just confused because this time it feels different its not so much having issues sleeping as the whole weirdly perfect schedule just suddenly startign and how i feel during it. I feel wide awake when i wake up like i could go running off to the gym even after just the first 1-2 1.5 hour rotations, Im not sure its carrying through the day very well though. Am i just getting old O_O1
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JaydedMiss wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Welcome to getting older! Wait until you are my age. Ugh
im only 24 I hate that im beggining to get old lol
I knew you were somewhere at that age, I was just teasing you.2 -
That started happening to me after chemotherapy (chemotherapy induced menopause - so I don't know whether it which of the two it was, or both). I tried everything: Home remedies, folk tales, you name it. I went to a sleep clinic, got treated for sleep apnea . . . all that did was help me sleep more soundly for an hour and a half. Drugs just made me wake up groggier every hour and a half. This went on for around 3 years.
Finally, the thing that helped - and I will get woo-ed for this - was hypnotherapy. It wasn't a total solution, but I started sleeping for 3-5 hours in the first chunk of sleep each night, which was a huge improvement. This was maybe 15 years ago, and the problem has eased further with passage of time, but I still have fairly frequent sleep interruptions compared to the times before this started happening.
One thing that exists now, that didn't then, is time-release sleeping drugs. I doubt they would've worked, but I don't know for sure.
I don't mean to be a downer, and yours may have a different cause than mine (cause of mine still unknown). Deep sympathies - the effects of this are pretty awful, I know!
Hope you find a solution!
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That started happening to me after chemotherapy (chemotherapy induced menopause - so I don't know whether it which of the two it was, or both). I tried everything: Home remedies, folk tales, you name it. I went to a sleep clinic, got treated for sleep apnea . . . all that did was help me sleep more soundly for an hour and a half. Drugs just made me wake up groggier every hour and a half. This went on for around 3 years.
Finally, the thing that helped - and I will get woo-ed for this - was hypnotherapy. It wasn't a total solution, but I started sleeping for 3-5 hours in the first chunk of sleep each night, which was a huge improvement. This was maybe 15 years ago, and the problem has eased further with passage of time, but I still have fairly frequent sleep interruptions compared to the times before this started happening.
One thing that exists now, that didn't then, is time-release sleeping drugs. I doubt they would've worked, but I don't know for sure.
I don't mean to be a downer, and yours may have a different cause than mine (cause of mine still unknown). Deep sympathies - the effects of this are pretty awful, I know!
Hope you find a solution!
@AnnPT77 it may be menopausal like....and that sounds crazy since im 24...but i have PCOS so my hormones are all fuckey i havent had my period in nearly a year now lol. I never really thought of hormones being a possability....Since iv had it for ages and never really had a often period...maybe once every 3-6 months or so. Think hormones are a possible cause?
and lol ya hypnotherapy does sound woo filled but i know you your good peopel if you say its good ill definatly keep that in mind if this keeps up lol1 -
I've never been a good sleeper and am quite familiar with the 90-minute nap sleep pattern! What has really helped me in the last couple of years is to use a sleep mask. I'm pretty conditioned now to close my eyes and go back to sleep when I wake up during the night. My guess is that since I can't see a clock to start spinning about how much sleep I'm missing with these wake-up episodes or be affected by any ambient light in my room, it makes it easier to just rollover and go back to sleep. Either that or I'm actually a parrot and when you put a blanket over my cage (or a mask over my eyes), I zonk out
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I've never been a good sleeper and am quite familiar with the 90-minute nap sleep pattern! What has really helped me in the last couple of years is to use a sleep mask. I'm pretty conditioned now to close my eyes and go back to sleep when I wake up during the night. My guess is that since I can't see a clock to start spinning about how much sleep I'm missing with these wake-up episodes or be affected by any ambient light in my room, it makes it easier to just rollover and go back to sleep. Either that or I'm actually a parrot and when you put a blanket over my cage (or a mask over my eyes), I zonk out
glad that helps you sadly im a freak who needs to buy new pillows every 2 weeks because they get to soft and if my head sinks into it even a tiny bit and goes near my nose i cant sleep i feel like im suffocating lol. Sadly a sleep mask on me would be the same way xD Nothing near my nose when i sleep. Im weird i know lol0 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »I've never been a good sleeper and am quite familiar with the 90-minute nap sleep pattern! What has really helped me in the last couple of years is to use a sleep mask. I'm pretty conditioned now to close my eyes and go back to sleep when I wake up during the night. My guess is that since I can't see a clock to start spinning about how much sleep I'm missing with these wake-up episodes or be affected by any ambient light in my room, it makes it easier to just rollover and go back to sleep. Either that or I'm actually a parrot and when you put a blanket over my cage (or a mask over my eyes), I zonk out
glad that helps you sadly im a freak who needs to buy new pillows every 2 weeks because they get to soft and if my head sinks into it even a tiny bit and goes near my nose i cant sleep i feel like im suffocating lol. Sadly a sleep mask on me would be the same way xD Nothing near my nose when i sleep. Im weird i know lol
That bugged me at first too--then I switched to the kind that look like a bra for your eyes instead of the flat ones and it made a big difference in comfort for my nose and it didn't tickle my eyelashes either. Masks bug a lot of people though...2 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »I've never been a good sleeper and am quite familiar with the 90-minute nap sleep pattern! What has really helped me in the last couple of years is to use a sleep mask. I'm pretty conditioned now to close my eyes and go back to sleep when I wake up during the night. My guess is that since I can't see a clock to start spinning about how much sleep I'm missing with these wake-up episodes or be affected by any ambient light in my room, it makes it easier to just rollover and go back to sleep. Either that or I'm actually a parrot and when you put a blanket over my cage (or a mask over my eyes), I zonk out
glad that helps you sadly im a freak who needs to buy new pillows every 2 weeks because they get to soft and if my head sinks into it even a tiny bit and goes near my nose i cant sleep i feel like im suffocating lol. Sadly a sleep mask on me would be the same way xD Nothing near my nose when i sleep. Im weird i know lol
That bugged me at first too--then I switched to the kind that look like a bra for your eyes instead of the flat ones and it made a big difference in comfort for my nose and it didn't tickle my eyelashes either. Masks bug a lot of people though...
Googling1 -
gotta say im loving this visual. Ill take a look at a few stores next time im in the mall and see if i can find one. It cant hurt to try. Sleep is stupid important i dont like the weird super high energy mixed with super low energy. I want my relatively stable energy levels back 0
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L1zardQueen wrote: »JaydedMiss wrote: »I've never been a good sleeper and am quite familiar with the 90-minute nap sleep pattern! What has really helped me in the last couple of years is to use a sleep mask. I'm pretty conditioned now to close my eyes and go back to sleep when I wake up during the night. My guess is that since I can't see a clock to start spinning about how much sleep I'm missing with these wake-up episodes or be affected by any ambient light in my room, it makes it easier to just rollover and go back to sleep. Either that or I'm actually a parrot and when you put a blanket over my cage (or a mask over my eyes), I zonk out
glad that helps you sadly im a freak who needs to buy new pillows every 2 weeks because they get to soft and if my head sinks into it even a tiny bit and goes near my nose i cant sleep i feel like im suffocating lol. Sadly a sleep mask on me would be the same way xD Nothing near my nose when i sleep. Im weird i know lol
That bugged me at first too--then I switched to the kind that look like a bra for your eyes instead of the flat ones and it made a big difference in comfort for my nose and it didn't tickle my eyelashes either. Masks bug a lot of people though...
Googling
i tried to google bra for your eyes. lol. Just girls in bras1 -
I would suggest hormones as others have. I have similar sleep issues and it's related to hormones (and I have kids who keep me awake on top of it). I sleep with a sound machine and it helps a lot because I'm such a light sleeper. Any little noise will wake me up. I've tried a sleep mask and it did help but I had a hard time keeping it on. I also take melatonin, but I've found certain brands are weaker than others for the same dosage. I like Vitafusion Extra Strength best.1
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You wake up feeling OK? This new situation is not causing you harm or negatively affecting the hours you are awake? If the above are true, I'm not sure what your question is. Patterns are interesting, fascinating, but not in themselves cause for concern.0
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JaydedMiss wrote: »That started happening to me after chemotherapy (chemotherapy induced menopause - so I don't know whether it which of the two it was, or both). I tried everything: Home remedies, folk tales, you name it. I went to a sleep clinic, got treated for sleep apnea . . . all that did was help me sleep more soundly for an hour and a half. Drugs just made me wake up groggier every hour and a half. This went on for around 3 years.
Finally, the thing that helped - and I will get woo-ed for this - was hypnotherapy. It wasn't a total solution, but I started sleeping for 3-5 hours in the first chunk of sleep each night, which was a huge improvement. This was maybe 15 years ago, and the problem has eased further with passage of time, but I still have fairly frequent sleep interruptions compared to the times before this started happening.
One thing that exists now, that didn't then, is time-release sleeping drugs. I doubt they would've worked, but I don't know for sure.
I don't mean to be a downer, and yours may have a different cause than mine (cause of mine still unknown). Deep sympathies - the effects of this are pretty awful, I know!
Hope you find a solution!
@AnnPT77 it may be menopausal like....and that sounds crazy since im 24...but i have PCOS so my hormones are all fuckey i havent had my period in nearly a year now lol. I never really thought of hormones being a possability....Since iv had it for ages and never really had a often period...maybe once every 3-6 months or so. Think hormones are a possible cause?
and lol ya hypnotherapy does sound woo filled but i know you your good peopel if you say its good ill definatly keep that in mind if this keeps up lol
No idea. I've heard other women say they had more trouble sleeping post-menopause, but don't recall hearing the 90-minute pattern in that respect. I never figured mine out, just got it under control enough that I could cope with life. I know a woman who says she didn't sleep (at all, she claimed) for 2 years after chemotherapy, but learned to substitute meditation.
For the hypnosis, I found a credentialed psychologist who used it in her practice. I paid for 6 sessions, the first of which was an interview (to collect info about me to help with the hypnosis), and the rest were hypnosis sessions. She'd record each session, and I was to play the recording when I was in bed every night until the next session (2 week intervals). Later, I could continue rotating the same records at whatever intervals I wished, as long as I used each for the same number of days in a row.
I really had no belief that the hypnosis would work. I was desperate - willing to try anything. I don't know why it helped.1 -
Have you tried taking magnesium just before you go to sleep? I take a 400mg capsule few nights a week because I also have the tendency to awake up several times in the middle of the night and when I do, I have to use the bathroom; but since I started taking magnesium I am up only twice at night (every 3 hours or so), but I go back to sleep without a problem. I am old so not sleeping thru the night is common at my age.
However, if you keep having frequent irregular sleep patterns you may need to see a doctor. Maybe he can check your hormones levels or send you to a sleep clinic, if needed. Hope that everything gets better for you soon and try to limit alcohol intake at night. You may fall asleep faster first but awake several times during the night since alcohol disrupts our sleep patterns.2 -
Have you tried taking magnesium just before you go to sleep? I take a 400mg capsule few nights a week because I also have the tendency to awake up several times in the middle of the night and when I do, I have to use the bathroom; but since I started taking magnesium I am up only twice at night (every 3 hours or so), but I go back to sleep without a problem. I am old so not sleeping thru the night is common at my age.
However, if you keep having frequent irregular sleep patterns you may need to see a doctor. Maybe he can check your hormones levels or send you to a sleep clinic, if needed. Hope that everything gets better for you soon and try to limit alcohol intake at night. You may fall asleep faster first but awake several times during the night since alcohol disrupts our sleep patterns.
ya i dont drink at all anymore, havent in 2 years
i will research magnesium this isnt the first iv heard as far as good things about it go thankyou 1 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »That started happening to me after chemotherapy (chemotherapy induced menopause - so I don't know whether it which of the two it was, or both). I tried everything: Home remedies, folk tales, you name it. I went to a sleep clinic, got treated for sleep apnea . . . all that did was help me sleep more soundly for an hour and a half. Drugs just made me wake up groggier every hour and a half. This went on for around 3 years.
Finally, the thing that helped - and I will get woo-ed for this - was hypnotherapy. It wasn't a total solution, but I started sleeping for 3-5 hours in the first chunk of sleep each night, which was a huge improvement. This was maybe 15 years ago, and the problem has eased further with passage of time, but I still have fairly frequent sleep interruptions compared to the times before this started happening.
One thing that exists now, that didn't then, is time-release sleeping drugs. I doubt they would've worked, but I don't know for sure.
I don't mean to be a downer, and yours may have a different cause than mine (cause of mine still unknown). Deep sympathies - the effects of this are pretty awful, I know!
Hope you find a solution!
@AnnPT77 it may be menopausal like....and that sounds crazy since im 24...but i have PCOS so my hormones are all fuckey i havent had my period in nearly a year now lol. I never really thought of hormones being a possability....Since iv had it for ages and never really had a often period...maybe once every 3-6 months or so. Think hormones are a possible cause?
and lol ya hypnotherapy does sound woo filled but i know you your good peopel if you say its good ill definatly keep that in mind if this keeps up lol
No idea. I've heard other women say they had more trouble sleeping post-menopause, but don't recall hearing the 90-minute pattern in that respect. I never figured mine out, just got it under control enough that I could cope with life. I know a woman who says she didn't sleep (at all, she claimed) for 2 years after chemotherapy, but learned to substitute meditation.
For the hypnosis, I found a credentialed psychologist who used it in her practice. I paid for 6 sessions, the first of which was an interview (to collect info about me to help with the hypnosis), and the rest were hypnosis sessions. She'd record each session, and I was to play the recording when I was in bed every night until the next session (2 week intervals). Later, I could continue rotating the same records at whatever intervals I wished, as long as I used each for the same number of days in a row.
I really had no belief that the hypnosis would work. I was desperate - willing to try anything. I don't know why it helped.
that is super interesting honestly0 -
You wake up feeling OK? This new situation is not causing you harm or negatively affecting the hours you are awake? If the above are true, I'm not sure what your question is. Patterns are interesting, fascinating, but not in themselves cause for concern.
i wake up wide awake with the energy of like a million suns it just disperses really quickly0 -
Hour and a half is about the length of a REM sleep cycle.I am guessing you are awaking fully as part of the REM cycle .
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This happens to me when I started eating at a deficit and exercising a lot. Apparently those things trigger polyphasic sleep (multiple short sleep cycles) in some people. If you feel okay, don't stress about it.4
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The average sleep cycle for adults is 90 minutes... so it looks like you're maybe waking up at the start of the new cycle (entering into light sleep again). Interesting
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/between-you-and-me/201307/your-sleep-cycle-revealed
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See your doctor and let them know what's going on, there are many reasons this could be interrupting your sleep. My MS causes this for me. Good Luck and hopefully the Dr. can help you with this.0
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I was going to point out like @rutzsa that I can explain the precision part. I’m pretty sure your REM sleep is undisturbed which is very good. You are just waking too alert during the lightest phase of the sleep cycle. You have multiple rounds of this cycle every night. Just like the rest of us. A sleep test could rule some things out.1
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craygslyst1 wrote: »I’ve taken melatonin the past year. It’s helped me with not waking up as often through the night. I still do on occasion, but it does help me. It’s cheap too.
I tried melatonin several years go, as recommended by many of my co-workers. We were all traveling cross country a lot on business and jet lag was a permanent and annoying companion. The side effects of this supplement were too much for me to handle. I had bad dreams, borderline nightmares, and confusion during the day. The dreams were so vivid that I thought that they were real. Very hard to function and work during the day. The jet lag was less problematic than the side effect of melatonin so I didn't take it anymore.
I started to drink "Sleepy Time" herbal teas after dinner, and it help a little, but then I was awaking up more often during the night to pee.
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craygslyst1 wrote: »I’ve taken melatonin the past year. It’s helped me with not waking up as often through the night. I still do on occasion, but it does help me. It’s cheap too.
I tried melatonin several years go, as recommended by many of my co-workers. We were all traveling cross country a lot on business and jet lag was a permanent and annoying companion. The side effects of this supplement were too much for me to handle. I had bad dreams, borderline nightmares, and confusion during the day. The dreams were so vivid that I thought that they were real. Very hard to function and work during the day. The jet lag was less problematic than the side effect of melatonin so I didn't take it anymore.
I started to drink "Sleepy Time" herbal teas after dinner, and it help a little, but then I was awaking up more often during the night to pee.
these dreams happened to me in the past, im sorry you had those they are horrifying Mine were very mentally messed up, hard to explain that so people. Was like my brain playing a really mean game on me showing me the things i found the most horrific. Mine 100% were night terrors. And i COULD NOT wake up from them. Its hard to hide from your own brain. And they felt so real. 2 -
Sleep cycles last about 90 minutes. Like many of you I, unfortunately, wake up after most of them. I am a man so menopause is unlikely but I have fought insomnia since I was about 13. My dreams can be, well, challenging to say the least. I only watch re-runs of shows I know really well the last hour or so before I go to sleep. As I am going to sleep I try to imagine being in the show. I don't dream about it but I usually don't remember dreams on nights when it works which is a relief.2
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