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  • imfornd70imfornd70 Posts: 552Member Member Posts: 552Member Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    sardelsa wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    I've been bulking for almost 2 months now - carrying an extra 7 pounds +/- , just starting my cutting cycle - I dont really like to eat too much while bulking - true I gain less LBM but after cutting and losing some of the LBM I feel i retain the equal amount of muscle as a person who bulks traditionally

    IIRC there's some solid recent research suggesting that lean bulking is better/more efficient than the traditional "eat big to get big" monster bulks. However, I know @jseams1234 does well going full panda so YMMV.

    and you get to look leaner while bulking

    I'm trying to let this be the last time I ever "bulk"

    I figured if I do it right I can probably gain about as much I'd like to without gaining any fat... I think it's possible despite contemporary thinking...

    I mean what's the point if I'm going to gain this weight just to cut back down to where I am already... At least that's where my head is today lol

    So far up about 8-9lbs, eating well and I feel look leaner than ever really 🤷🏽‍♂️

    the key to good bulking is quality nutrition - you don't need to east everything in sight - if you are only looking for that beach body then focus primarily of HV(High Volume lifting) sets of 8-12 - you get roughly the same as lifting heavy with he benefits of lower injury and higher calorie burn

    I try, although admittingly a fair percentage of my extra calories have come from sugar...

    I'm just eating a bit extra everyday and trying to increase the weight on the bar... I usually gain about 2-3lbs every weekend and it slowly comes off throughout the week... So my strategy has basically been, try to keep that some of that weekend weight and usually by the end of the work week, I'm about 0.5lb heavier...

    Although last week I didn't gain any weight and I ran over Saturday... So now my legs feel like they are starving 😂

    The average gain for a male not on gear is 2 Lean pounds a months - anything more its water weight or fat. You should consume not more than 300 calories extra during your bulk and most of those from Protein
    sardelsa wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    I've been bulking for almost 2 months now - carrying an extra 7 pounds +/- , just starting my cutting cycle - I dont really like to eat too much while bulking - true I gain less LBM but after cutting and losing some of the LBM I feel i retain the equal amount of muscle as a person who bulks traditionally

    IIRC there's some solid recent research suggesting that lean bulking is better/more efficient than the traditional "eat big to get big" monster bulks. However, I know @jseams1234 does well going full panda so YMMV.

    and you get to look leaner while bulking

    I'm trying to let this be the last time I ever "bulk"

    I figured if I do it right I can probably gain about as much I'd like to without gaining any fat... I think it's possible despite contemporary thinking...

    I mean what's the point if I'm going to gain this weight just to cut back down to where I am already... At least that's where my head is today lol

    So far up about 8-9lbs, eating well and I feel look leaner than ever really 🤷🏽‍♂️

    the key to good bulking is quality nutrition - you don't need to east everything in sight - if you are only looking for that beach body then focus primarily of HV(High Volume lifting) sets of 8-12 - you get roughly the same as lifting heavy with he benefits of lower injury and higher calorie burn

    I try, although admittingly a fair percentage of my extra calories have come from sugar...

    I'm just eating a bit extra everyday and trying to increase the weight on the bar... I usually gain about 2-3lbs every weekend and it slowly comes off throughout the week... So my strategy has basically been, try to keep that some of that weekend weight and usually by the end of the work week, I'm about 0.5lb heavier...

    Although last week I didn't gain any weight and I ran over Saturday... So now my legs feel like they are starving 😂

    The average gain for a male not on gear is 2 Lean pounds a months - anything more its water weight or fat. You should consume not more than 300 calories extra during your bulk and most of those from Protein

    When I bulk I actually keep my protein the same or lower it a bit (it is always the highest when I cut to help preserve muscle, just above 1g per lb bodyweight) if I had that much extra protein when bulking it would kill me both money wise and in fullness, plus it would be way overkill (over 200g, I am only 130-140lbs). Nothing wrong with extra protein if you like it, but I prefer to add carb calories. I usually do a 250 cal per day surplus (I am female) which is about 0.5lb per week

    You know... I've heard info on conflicting research

    I've heard that what you really need in a bulk is carbs because your muscles need energy to grow and that energy is going to come mostly from stored glycogen from high carb intake... Makes sense

    I've also heard that studies show your body really can't utilize much more than 0.8g/lb anyway...

    But then there is the school of thought that says, more lifting, more muscle breakdown, the obvious requirement is more protein for tissue repair... Makes sense as well

    At the end of the day I'm going to try to not over think it or get restrictive about macros... Mostly because it's really hard to say what the science says because it says multiple things...

    If I want the extra salmon, I'll have it... If I want the donut, I'll have it 😂... I just try to not over satisfy myself...

    I'm pretty sure I'll eventually hit that point where I simply will need to eat more in order to maintain the weight gain, and it may be rather soon... Then I'll reassess and go from there...

    Thanks for all the advice and input... Love this thread!

    There is so much out there, and at the end of the day, you have to take what you read, consider it and make sure it works for you. If a set of new studies came out that said body part splits were the key to the most optimal muscle building, would I switch? No. I just cannot stick to a body part split. I don't have the time or patience for it. Research is great but it needs to fit your lifestyle.

    Also I love me some donuts, but there is nothing better than salmon. Yum!



    nothing better than salmon?????? ummmmm Oreo Cookies - thats why God made treadmills

    Haha. Confession: I honestly don't love Oreos, except in ice cream! I actually love Oreo Thins because they are so crunchy, not too much filling and perfect for crushing! I can't even buy "Oreo Ice Cream" (or iced dessert as I call it) I have to buy real ice cream made with cream and add my own Oreos, otherwise nope I'll pass :)

    LOL I make my own as well -- heavy cream sweetened condensed milk strawberries blueberries - some cream cheese and gramcracker mmmmmm
  • AmbitiousButRubbishAmbitiousButRubbish Posts: 238Member Member Posts: 238Member Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    So far operation recomp is going well! I started adding calories and weight seems to be holding steady (or just slightly losing hard to tell at this point) but goal is to just keep eating. Since I am breastfeeding eating at maintenance feels like surplus so I am just eating as much as I can and hoping for the best. Even if I gain a bit, meh, no problem, if I start to hit my high number I will just dial things back a bit. I think that should work, right?

    I am really trying to push it in the gym, hopefully I can get my numbers up there where they used to be! Body composition changes would be nice too :)

    Awesome job Stef! Hard to believe you just had baby #3. Awesome.
  • GaryRunsGaryRuns Posts: 329Member, Premium Member Posts: 329Member, Premium Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    So far operation recomp is going well! I started adding calories and weight seems to be holding steady (or just slightly losing hard to tell at this point) but goal is to just keep eating. Since I am breastfeeding eating at maintenance feels like surplus so I am just eating as much as I can and hoping for the best. Even if I gain a bit, meh, no problem, if I start to hit my high number I will just dial things back a bit. I think that should work, right?

    I am really trying to push it in the gym, hopefully I can get my numbers up there where they used to be! Body composition changes would be nice too :)

    It is tricky adjusting based on weight, but I know you're fully aware of all the pitfalls there so I'll just tell you you look great and I'm pretty sure you're going to recomp like a boss. (My teenager would be SO embarrassed I used that phrase. lol).
  • sardelsasardelsa Posts: 8,812Member Member Posts: 8,812Member Member
    GaryRuns wrote: »
    sardelsa wrote: »
    So far operation recomp is going well! I started adding calories and weight seems to be holding steady (or just slightly losing hard to tell at this point) but goal is to just keep eating. Since I am breastfeeding eating at maintenance feels like surplus so I am just eating as much as I can and hoping for the best. Even if I gain a bit, meh, no problem, if I start to hit my high number I will just dial things back a bit. I think that should work, right?

    I am really trying to push it in the gym, hopefully I can get my numbers up there where they used to be! Body composition changes would be nice too :)

    It is tricky adjusting based on weight, but I know you're fully aware of all the pitfalls there so I'll just tell you you look great and I'm pretty sure you're going to recomp like a boss. (My teenager would be SO embarrassed I used that phrase. lol).

    Haha thanks! For me it's actually pretty simple, I don't fluctuate too much unless I start/stop lifting, add a lot of cardio or increase/decrease volume. And as much as I wouldn't recommend it to others, I usually know where I am based on my hunger. Right now I "feel" like I am eating in a slight surplus, a little overly full, eating when I am not always hungry, making sure I am adding lots of peanut butter to my toast and trying not to skip on snacks. It seems to work quite well. It usually works well in the beginning which is when I need it. Over time my hunger adjusts to the new intake levels and I have to keep my eye on my weight.

    Wow that sounds really complicated, but for me it's so natural I don't really have to think twice! (Plus I don't have to log my calories which is great for me).
  • Mr_Healthy_HabitsMr_Healthy_Habits Posts: 9,310Member Member Posts: 9,310Member Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    GaryRuns wrote: »
    sardelsa wrote: »
    So far operation recomp is going well! I started adding calories and weight seems to be holding steady (or just slightly losing hard to tell at this point) but goal is to just keep eating. Since I am breastfeeding eating at maintenance feels like surplus so I am just eating as much as I can and hoping for the best. Even if I gain a bit, meh, no problem, if I start to hit my high number I will just dial things back a bit. I think that should work, right?

    I am really trying to push it in the gym, hopefully I can get my numbers up there where they used to be! Body composition changes would be nice too :)

    It is tricky adjusting based on weight, but I know you're fully aware of all the pitfalls there so I'll just tell you you look great and I'm pretty sure you're going to recomp like a boss. (My teenager would be SO embarrassed I used that phrase. lol).

    Haha thanks! For me it's actually pretty simple, I don't fluctuate too much unless I start/stop lifting, add a lot of cardio or increase/decrease volume. And as much as I wouldn't recommend it to others, I usually know where I am based on my hunger. Right now I "feel" like I am eating in a slight surplus, a little overly full, eating when I am not always hungry, making sure I am adding lots of peanut butter to my toast and trying not to skip on snacks. It seems to work quite well. It usually works well in the beginning which is when I need it. Over time my hunger adjusts to the new intake levels and I have to keep my eye on my weight.

    Wow that sounds really complicated, but for me it's so natural I don't really have to think twice! (Plus I don't have to log my calories which is great for me).

    Dude you look fantastic and will just as fantastic no matter what you do or which way you go... Just sprinkles on a sundae right 🤷🏽‍♂️... Love me some Gummi bears too tho...

    This is pretty much my approach now and I'm kind of new to it, but I feel like I know my body quite well and have reached a point where I can listen to it and let it guide me...

    I think if you just stop before you're uncomfortable and hit it hard in the the gym and continue to add plates and reps... You'll get stronger and all the gains will be muscle...

    Cheering you on 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
  • sardelsasardelsa Posts: 8,812Member Member Posts: 8,812Member Member
    Thank you @Mr_Healthy_Habits !! ;) I am so pumped to just not have to worry about weight loss and losing glutes and losing strength on top of that dealing with lack of sleep and general craziness. I can just... relax. Have fun in the gym, play around with things and get strong!
  • sardelsasardelsa Posts: 8,812Member Member Posts: 8,812Member Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    So far operation recomp is going well! I started adding calories and weight seems to be holding steady (or just slightly losing hard to tell at this point) but goal is to just keep eating. Since I am breastfeeding eating at maintenance feels like surplus so I am just eating as much as I can and hoping for the best. Even if I gain a bit, meh, no problem, if I start to hit my high number I will just dial things back a bit. I think that should work, right?

    I am really trying to push it in the gym, hopefully I can get my numbers up there where they used to be! Body composition changes would be nice too :)

    Awesome job Stef! Hard to believe you just had baby #3. Awesome.

    Thank you! Well it's been almost 5 months and I've been working hard :)
  • chickencerealchickencereal Posts: 83Member Member Posts: 83Member Member

    Well I can imagine quite a bit 😏...
    But your deflation is not amongst them 😂...


    I know this comment wasn't directed at me but it made me cringe and feel uncomfortable. Bro, these kinds of comments are NOT welcomed by many women. I go to the gym to build muscles and get stronger, not to be sexually objectified. Imma step out of here now and stick with female-friendly weightlifting communities but I had to stay something.
  • Mr_Healthy_HabitsMr_Healthy_Habits Posts: 9,310Member Member Posts: 9,310Member Member

    Well I can imagine quite a bit 😏...
    But your deflation is not amongst them 😂...


    I know this comment wasn't directed at me but it made me cringe and feel uncomfortable. Bro, these kinds of comments are NOT welcomed by many women. I go to the gym to build muscles and get stronger, not to be sexually objectified. Imma step out of here now and stick with female-friendly weightlifting communities but I had to stay something.

    Well I'm glad you got that off your chest...
    So much less awkward

    But you shouldn't leave, you should stay...
    I'll stick to my usual threads not requiring sensitivity training... 😂
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Posts: 35,679Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator Posts: 35,679Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator
    sardelsa wrote: »
    sardelsa wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    I've been bulking for almost 2 months now - carrying an extra 7 pounds +/- , just starting my cutting cycle - I dont really like to eat too much while bulking - true I gain less LBM but after cutting and losing some of the LBM I feel i retain the equal amount of muscle as a person who bulks traditionally

    IIRC there's some solid recent research suggesting that lean bulking is better/more efficient than the traditional "eat big to get big" monster bulks. However, I know @jseams1234 does well going full panda so YMMV.

    and you get to look leaner while bulking

    I'm trying to let this be the last time I ever "bulk"

    I figured if I do it right I can probably gain about as much I'd like to without gaining any fat... I think it's possible despite contemporary thinking...

    I mean what's the point if I'm going to gain this weight just to cut back down to where I am already... At least that's where my head is today lol

    So far up about 8-9lbs, eating well and I feel look leaner than ever really 🤷🏽‍♂️

    the key to good bulking is quality nutrition - you don't need to east everything in sight - if you are only looking for that beach body then focus primarily of HV(High Volume lifting) sets of 8-12 - you get roughly the same as lifting heavy with he benefits of lower injury and higher calorie burn

    I try, although admittingly a fair percentage of my extra calories have come from sugar...

    I'm just eating a bit extra everyday and trying to increase the weight on the bar... I usually gain about 2-3lbs every weekend and it slowly comes off throughout the week... So my strategy has basically been, try to keep that some of that weekend weight and usually by the end of the work week, I'm about 0.5lb heavier...

    Although last week I didn't gain any weight and I ran over Saturday... So now my legs feel like they are starving 😂

    The average gain for a male not on gear is 2 Lean pounds a months - anything more its water weight or fat. You should consume not more than 300 calories extra during your bulk and most of those from Protein
    sardelsa wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    steveko89 wrote: »
    imfornd70 wrote: »
    I've been bulking for almost 2 months now - carrying an extra 7 pounds +/- , just starting my cutting cycle - I dont really like to eat too much while bulking - true I gain less LBM but after cutting and losing some of the LBM I feel i retain the equal amount of muscle as a person who bulks traditionally

    IIRC there's some solid recent research suggesting that lean bulking is better/more efficient than the traditional "eat big to get big" monster bulks. However, I know @jseams1234 does well going full panda so YMMV.

    and you get to look leaner while bulking

    I'm trying to let this be the last time I ever "bulk"

    I figured if I do it right I can probably gain about as much I'd like to without gaining any fat... I think it's possible despite contemporary thinking...

    I mean what's the point if I'm going to gain this weight just to cut back down to where I am already... At least that's where my head is today lol

    So far up about 8-9lbs, eating well and I feel look leaner than ever really 🤷🏽‍♂️

    the key to good bulking is quality nutrition - you don't need to east everything in sight - if you are only looking for that beach body then focus primarily of HV(High Volume lifting) sets of 8-12 - you get roughly the same as lifting heavy with he benefits of lower injury and higher calorie burn

    I try, although admittingly a fair percentage of my extra calories have come from sugar...

    I'm just eating a bit extra everyday and trying to increase the weight on the bar... I usually gain about 2-3lbs every weekend and it slowly comes off throughout the week... So my strategy has basically been, try to keep that some of that weekend weight and usually by the end of the work week, I'm about 0.5lb heavier...

    Although last week I didn't gain any weight and I ran over Saturday... So now my legs feel like they are starving 😂

    The average gain for a male not on gear is 2 Lean pounds a months - anything more its water weight or fat. You should consume not more than 300 calories extra during your bulk and most of those from Protein

    When I bulk I actually keep my protein the same or lower it a bit (it is always the highest when I cut to help preserve muscle, just above 1g per lb bodyweight) if I had that much extra protein when bulking it would kill me both money wise and in fullness, plus it would be way overkill (over 200g, I am only 130-140lbs). Nothing wrong with extra protein if you like it, but I prefer to add carb calories. I usually do a 250 cal per day surplus (I am female) which is about 0.5lb per week

    You know... I've heard info on conflicting research

    I've heard that what you really need in a bulk is carbs because your muscles need energy to grow and that energy is going to come mostly from stored glycogen from high carb intake... Makes sense

    I've also heard that studies show your body really can't utilize much more than 0.8g/lb anyway...

    But then there is the school of thought that says, more lifting, more muscle breakdown, the obvious requirement is more protein for tissue repair... Makes sense as well

    At the end of the day I'm going to try to not over think it or get restrictive about macros... Mostly because it's really hard to say what the science says because it says multiple things...

    If I want the extra salmon, I'll have it... If I want the donut, I'll have it 😂... I just try to not over satisfy myself...

    I'm pretty sure I'll eventually hit that point where I simply will need to eat more in order to maintain the weight gain, and it may be rather soon... Then I'll reassess and go from there...

    Thanks for all the advice and input... Love this thread!

    There is so much out there, and at the end of the day, you have to take what you read, consider it and make sure it works for you. If a set of new studies came out that said body part splits were the key to the most optimal muscle building, would I switch? No. I just cannot stick to a body part split. I don't have the time or patience for it. Research is great but it needs to fit your lifestyle.

    Also I love me some donuts, but there is nothing better than salmon. Yum!



    #thisiswhywerefriends 🙌🏼

    But I actually have seen research promoting body part splits 😂

    :)

    I think the more advanced you are, the more it's fine to split things up (and by bodypart split I don't mean upper/lower but back day, leg day etc) can you imagine me doing legs only once a week? Like what's the point of going to the gym?? My glutes would deflate!! Haha

    Even as a beginner, a body part split may not be bad. We tend to think im generalities, but if its structured appropriately, it can hit body parts several times a week. This is especially true, if there is a large focus on compound lifts. And I don't think there is evidence to suggest one program is better than another but rather than hitting body parts 2-3x a week is more optimal than 1x a week. And even then, i am not sure the delta in terms of muscle gains. But also like you said, the best program for an individual, is the one they enjoy.
  • steveko89steveko89 Posts: 1,520Member Member Posts: 1,520Member Member
    Shout out to @pitbullpuppy for mentioning the plans in Arnold's bible. I've been doing the level 2 plan this week and really digging it. I definitely need to allocate more time in the morning to lift but I think the volume is where I need to be at this point.
    edited January 31
  • pitbullpuppypitbullpuppy Posts: 17Member Member Posts: 17Member Member
    steveko89 wrote: »
    Shout out to @pitbullpuppy for mentioning the plans in Arnold's bible. I've been doing the level 2 plan this week and really digging it. I definitely need to allocate more time in the morning to lift but I think the volume is where I need to be at this point.

    Awesome!!!! It takes me about 1 1/2-2 hrs per day (but I added a lot of abdominal exercises & a pinch of cardio). IMO the plan seems pretty daunting at first but it's so exciting. I just want to throw a brag out there, but I started the plan squatting 20lbs and now I'm at 120. Freakin sweet. Good luck!!!!!!
  • cupcakesandproteinshakescupcakesandproteinshakes Posts: 470Member Member Posts: 470Member Member
    So I’m all over the place. Still uncommitted to either cutting or bulking. Managing to train despite crappy sleep, it’s the thing that keeps me sane. I checked my weight trends and basically gained .8 lb in December and .75lb in Jan. So I guess that’s the start of an accidental lean bulk. As a former fat person it still goes against the grain to be gaining weight. Maybe this needs a new thread, sorry for high jacking a thread about losing. Hey
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Posts: 35,679Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator Posts: 35,679Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator
    So I’m all over the place. Still uncommitted to either cutting or bulking. Managing to train despite crappy sleep, it’s the thing that keeps me sane. I checked my weight trends and basically gained .8 lb in December and .75lb in Jan. So I guess that’s the start of an accidental lean bulk. As a former fat person it still goes against the grain to be gaining weight. Maybe this needs a new thread, sorry for high jacking a thread about losing. Hey

    I think this thread has morphed into the all things bodybuilding and venting about the difficulties.

    And i think most of can relate to what you are saying. It's like my infamous battle to get super lean for abs.
  • jseams1234jseams1234 Posts: 1,133Member Member Posts: 1,133Member Member
    So I’m all over the place. Still uncommitted to either cutting or bulking. Managing to train despite crappy sleep, it’s the thing that keeps me sane. I checked my weight trends and basically gained .8 lb in December and .75lb in Jan. So I guess that’s the start of an accidental lean bulk. As a former fat person it still goes against the grain to be gaining weight. Maybe this needs a new thread, sorry for high jacking a thread about losing. Hey

    As a former stick figure my issue is the opposite. Cutting freaks me out and sends my body dysmorphia into overdrive.

  • sardelsasardelsa Posts: 8,812Member Member Posts: 8,812Member Member
    So I’m all over the place. Still uncommitted to either cutting or bulking. Managing to train despite crappy sleep, it’s the thing that keeps me sane. I checked my weight trends and basically gained .8 lb in December and .75lb in Jan. So I guess that’s the start of an accidental lean bulk. As a former fat person it still goes against the grain to be gaining weight. Maybe this needs a new thread, sorry for high jacking a thread about losing. Hey

    @cupcakesandproteinshakes this thread isn't just about cutting anymore, it's a thread about cutting, bulking and everything in between as well as accountability, frustration and progress sharing

    You are getting your workouts in so just keep trucking. You can always cut a bit down the road if you feel really uncomfortable. Just focus on your gym progress
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Posts: 35,679Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator Posts: 35,679Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator
    Side note. After hitting 177lbs after some work travel, i am down to 171-172. My low is still 168 ih which I am working towards.


    And I set up a new lifting upper lower split.
  • imfornd70imfornd70 Posts: 552Member Member Posts: 552Member Member
    I just have a hard time buying into traditional cutting bulking - Lean bulking is far healthier and far more obtainable long term - movement of 300 calories up and down are far easier than 700-1000
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