Advanced topic about the body and calories
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So, this topic is not advanced. It's pretty basic. Think of fat stores like a bank account where the goal is to end over drawn at the end of the day, week, month. All day long you eat. Deposit fat. Fast between meals. Withdraw fat. Over and over. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that you made more withdrawals than deposits.
That's it. Don't overthink it. There is nothing else that really matters.
So techinally speaking you could pig out 1 day and fast for 3 days and lose more fat then gained?7 -
SugarAndSugar wrote: »So, this topic is not advanced. It's pretty basic. Think of fat stores like a bank account where the goal is to end over drawn at the end of the day, week, month. All day long you eat. Deposit fat. Fast between meals. Withdraw fat. Over and over. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that you made more withdrawals than deposits.
That's it. Don't overthink it. There is nothing else that really matters.
So techinally speaking you could pig out 1 day and fast for 3 days and lose more fat then gained?
So long as you were at an overall calorie deficit, then technically, yes. Not a particularly healthy approach though, and highly inadvisable.9 -
SugarAndSugar wrote: »So, this topic is not advanced. It's pretty basic. Think of fat stores like a bank account where the goal is to end over drawn at the end of the day, week, month. All day long you eat. Deposit fat. Fast between meals. Withdraw fat. Over and over. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that you made more withdrawals than deposits.
That's it. Don't overthink it. There is nothing else that really matters.
So techinally speaking you could pig out 1 day and fast for 3 days and lose more fat then gained?
Yes. I usually eat low for a few days before I know I'm going to indulge in something that wouldn't normally fit in my calorie goals. I use a weekly average rather than a daily total and as long as that's in a deficit, I lose weight.2 -
serindipte wrote: »SugarAndSugar wrote: »So, this topic is not advanced. It's pretty basic. Think of fat stores like a bank account where the goal is to end over drawn at the end of the day, week, month. All day long you eat. Deposit fat. Fast between meals. Withdraw fat. Over and over. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that you made more withdrawals than deposits.
That's it. Don't overthink it. There is nothing else that really matters.
So techinally speaking you could pig out 1 day and fast for 3 days and lose more fat then gained?
Yes. I usually eat low for a few days before I know I'm going to indulge in something that wouldn't normally fit in my calorie goals. I use a weekly average rather than a daily total and as long as that's in a deficit, I lose weight.
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You are way overcomplicating weight loss. Eat to the number that helps you lose weight at a safe rate, in whatever way suits you best. Overindulge one day? Either accept it and move on or eat a little less the next day. You're making it more complicated than it is.6
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I've shifted to OMAD for the last 15 pounds I lost, no I can't say I've put on extra pocket of fats while still losing weight. To me there's no difference than when I ate 3 times a day except I'm not as hungry.2
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tirowow12385 wrote: »I've shifted to OMAD for the last 15 pounds I lost, no I can't say I've put on extra pocket of fats while still losing weight. To me there's no difference than when I ate 3 times a day except I'm not as hungry.
Do you feel fat after that 1 meal?
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When I first started, I felt my stomach bloated, no Its no the same as feeling fat, feeling fat is looking at a mirror and selfie and actually seeing fat on you, I use to be really obese and just entered the overweight range the last month, I feel as thin as I've ever been, bloated is recognizing you stuffed yourself and it's temporary.
The bloating usually goes down throughout the day and by midday, I feel normal again, by this time, I'm just glad the bloating is gone and I honestly don't want anything to do with food, by sun down, I'm not hungry at all. I feel the hunger creep on when it's 24 hours later which is when I have to eat again.
Lately, I don't feel bloated anymore, maybe my stomache stretched to make room and it's adapted to my eating but as far as hunger goes, it's the same.1 -
SugarAndSugar wrote: »And since when is 700 calories an exorbitant meal? That's usually one of my meals for the day.
It feels like 2000 since the thing i make is a smoothie with lots of ice, almond milk, cup of blueberries, bannana, and 100 calories of whey. That itself makes me full but to get more nutrients i eat some nuts and some other snacks that are usually up to 200 calories
If the things you eat make you too full to get sufficient energy (calories) and nutrients, don't eat those things. Eat other things that don't cause that problem.8 -
SugarAndSugar wrote: »So, this topic is not advanced. It's pretty basic. Think of fat stores like a bank account where the goal is to end over drawn at the end of the day, week, month. All day long you eat. Deposit fat. Fast between meals. Withdraw fat. Over and over. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that you made more withdrawals than deposits.
That's it. Don't overthink it. There is nothing else that really matters.
So techinally speaking you could pig out 1 day and fast for 3 days and lose more fat then gained?
You could. But why would you?3 -
What OP hasn't mentioned yet is that he weighs himself after his largest meal and can't understand why he is heavier even though he is in a deficit for the day.
He thinks this weight gain means he isn't losing fat...13 -
TavistockToad wrote: »What OP hasn't mentioned yet is that he weighs himself after his largest meal and can't understand why he is heavier even though he is in a deficit for the day.
He thinks this weight gain means he isn't losing fat...
Oh dear![:\](https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
OP, of course you weigh more after you've eaten. Food has weight, so do any liquids (water, etc) that you drink during the day. Weigh yourself once a day, at the same time of day, in the same state of dress (or undress). Most people opt for first thing in the morning, after having gone to the bathroom, without clothes on. Log that weight into a weight trend app - Happy Scale, Libra, Trendweight (web-based, requires a free Fitbit account but you don't need a Fitbit, you just enter your weight on your Fitbit profile). Then, look at the trend over weeks, ignoring daily scale weight fluctuations. So long as the trend line is going down, you're on the right track.7 -
TavistockToad wrote: »What OP hasn't mentioned yet is that he weighs himself after his largest meal and can't understand why he is heavier even though he is in a deficit for the day.
He thinks this weight gain means he isn't losing fat...
Yep there is that coupled with tons of overthinking and lots of anxiety per all his other threads.
I would add some additional details to the OP but why add fuel to the fire.
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SugarAndSugar wrote: »So intermittent fasting is bad then?
No. There is nothing magical about IF. I do IF so that I can eat more volume later in the day. That's it. Some people feel more satiated on several smaller meals throughout the day. Others, like myself, enjoy two big meals and few or no snacks.
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OP, trying to micromanage your weight loss is a losing proposition, especially when you try to adapt when, how and what you're eating every time you run into a stray thought on a random thread. Look at the comments in your nearly daily threads - they all revolve around pick a plan that works for you and stick to it long term. Your obsession with the potential of shaving off a couple of calories here and there by changing your eating schedule or food combinations will result in you eventually making no progress toward your goals, and at that point the only way to trouble shoot the problem will be - pick a plan that works for you and stick to it long term. I really wish you the best of luck, things will be so much easier for you if you can just relax and trust the system.8
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I suppose the way I would describe it in a broad hypothetical way would be:
You have 10 fat cells, over the period of a day you are burning up the fat in all 10 cells. You eat 8 cells worth of fat in one meal or spread out over the period of a day (it doesn't matter which)... but you still have 2 cells left empty because you ate a calorific deficit.
Was that any help, or did I confuse it even more?
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It is not natural to trust a simple process when there is so much pseudo science out there. It is too easy to believe in the myths that something more is necessary. I have been as guilty as anyone. There is a part of me that is still afraid I won't lose weight even when it is coming off. It is not rational but I have years of false programming to overcome.
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To answer your question, OP. The body will first store food as glycogen up to a certain amount and will only store food as fat if you eat above that threshold. So theoretically, yes, a large enough meal could cause you to gain fat in the short-term.
That said, since the large meal will be eaten as part of an IF or OMAD protocol, any fat created will be an 'in-out' exercise. The body will store the excess calories as fat but will burn them again once the glycogen it created from the meal is used up. By the time you eat again, any glycogen or fat created as a result of the large meal are gone and your body is ready for more food.
If you eat again before the fat is used up, then the body will convert that new meal to glycogen for use first and will not need to burn the fat it created for the first meal. Eat a large enough meal and the body will need to create more fat to store the energy on top of the fat it created from the first meal. This is the process of getting fat.
But basically...meal by meal calories don't really matter to your body.4 -
It is not natural to trust a simple process when there is so much pseudo science out there. It is too easy to believe in the myths that something more is necessary. I have been as guilty as anyone. There is a part of me that is still afraid I won't lose weight even when it is coming off. It is not rational but I have years of false programming to overcome.
This is exactly why you need to pick a process and stick to it. Every time you introduce a new variable to your weight loss process, you make it that much harder to figure out why you're losing weight (if you are), or why you're not (if that's the case). You leave yourself open to pinning your successes and failures to irrelevant details that have nothing to do with the mechanics of actual weight management. You are feeding your anxiety to the point where you're trying to measure the immeasurable and regulate bodily functions that you have no conscious control over.
You can't look at this process hour by hour, or meal to meal. If you need a place to focus your anxiety (and I am speaking from experience here), focus on logging accurately as possible, and staying as consistent as possible.
If you continue to have anxiety to the point where you are weighing multiple times a day and/or stressing over every bite you eat, I would suggest seeing if you can get a session or two with a therapist to work on strategies to control those urges. Even if you manage to get to your goal weight using this chaotic process you will never feel in control of your eating, which will make it virtually impossible to maintain.3 -
I just want to add that it is not unknown for large caloric deficits, by themselves, to exacerbate issues such as anxiety, or to even bring about unhealthy ideation about food for people who did not have a previously known issue.
The way to mitigate this involves keeping to smaller caloric deficits.
A male aiming for 1700 Cal is more than likely aiming for a large deficit exceeding 20% of TDEE.4
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