do i have to lose pounds to look thinner ?
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I thought the point of the picture was related to the topic of "do I have to lose pounds to look thinner?" and showing an example that a person can look thin but actually weigh more because of muscle development. The person in the photo looks thin at two different weights.
I don't believe the photo was posted to say one body type is always better or worse. That is kind of not the original topic.9 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »She GAINED 18 pounds and looks better:
Lots of time working out was involved.
Got to disagree about 'better'.
While I do understand you have an opinion, I believe negativity about physique transformations should be kept to oneself especially when it comes to before/afters.
Exactly. That's why I posted what I did. Saying that she looks better in the third picture is just as shaming for women who look like picture #1. I don't hate on neither and definitely appreciate the work it took to get to #3... but what looks better is totally subjective.
But yes, lots of people gain muscle and lose fat and end up weighing more with a smaller size - because muscle is denser than fat.
Personally, I think the shaming thing is nonsense. The young lady in the pictures shows better muscle development, body shape and posture in the 3rd picture. She looks healthier and fitter. Whether one likes that look or not, those are objective observations.
I, agree with @sardelsa when she bristles at the comment because she internalizes it as people saying that picture #3 not considered an appropriate goal; but, why is it incorrect for @Francl27 to bristle at the implication that picture #1 is not considered good enough?
Maybe Staci and Sardelsa and most of my MFP friends want to look more like #3 than #1 and maybe Francl27 wants to look like #1; but I don't see where there is anything wrong with **either** look given that they are both perfectly within the healthy range as far as I can tell.
To me it's about looking at a progress photo and saying she looked better before. What if @Francl27 you posted a progress photo and someone said you looked better in the before? What if people say "You look amazing and fit!" someone looks like your before, is that body shaming, should they be offended since that implies they do not look amazing and are unfit? Of course not.
I don't think that person looks bad in the before, she looks great...but clearly she made a transformation, she changed her body composition and is happy with her results. I have photos of me before I started this bulk, then after... I mean, I look leaner in the before but that doesn't mean I look bad in either, it's about my progress. Maybe the word "better" is the issue here.
Agreed completely.
It's not like you're comparing two people and comparing them to each other.
People are inserting themselves into this.
Progress pictures are about progress. You are supposed to look better as you progress. That's the goal.
The presence of the double standard still amazes me.
"Fit shaming" is deemed acceptable among people with insecurities and body issues, but fat shaming is strictly taboo and roundly condemned. The latter is considered "body shaming", the former apparently not so (at least by some).
If somebody was to go into a thread in the Success Stories forum and crap on somebody's thread where they've gone from 320 to 280 lbs by posting "She really doesn't look any better in the after pic", there would be a vicious dogpile and the post would probably (and rightfully) be reported about 100 times. Yet I've seen a number of threads over the years where people posted progress pics similar to the ones of Staci above and somebody will make a comment to the effect of "Ugh, that's too bulky, I'd never want to get like that!".
You don't get to have it both ways. If something doesn't fit your personal taste for aesthetics, keep it to yourself. Don't try to assuage your own insecurities/body issues by tearing somebody else's down. Because you certainly wouldn't like it if the shoe was on the other foot.
Yeah but... people who would go to success stories and poop on someone's parade would be *kitten*. THAT would be really just a very *kitten* thing to do.
The person here was posting someone else's picture and giving her own opinion about what looks better. This is the general fitness and DIET discussion. I was just pointing out that 'better' is subjective and really, this thread is about looking thinner, not more muscular. I mean, if someone had said that the first picture didn't look as good, would you be ok with it? Would you be up in arms crying about how it's 'fat shaming'? (obviously, she was never fat, but I'm sure someone out there would use that dumb 'skinny fat' term).
Really though... get over yourselves. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they have issues. I mean... really? do you really think that people are insecure or have body issues just because they don't aim for that muscular look anyway? Who's trying to make themselves feel better here? You're all just insulting people who have an average body type by coming out of nowhere and saying that a muscular person looks better than the average joe. But whatever. I'm too old to argue with self-centered, narrow minded people.
It has nothing to do with her being muscular to me. To me she just looks trimmer and indeed thinner.
You are the one that needs to get over yourself, Franci. You inserted your body into someone else's progress pictures which were intended to serve as an illustration of the point that you don't need to lose weight to look thinner which directly addressed the issue raised in the first post.
Frankly, your hatred of anything to do with strength training is shining through here and your resentment is coming across as mean girl ugly by crapping on someone else's progress.
It takes a special kind of pettiness to see someone else's hard work, even if those aren't your goals and get all resentful about it. If those aren't your goals, and they obviously aren't, then why do you feel shamed that people can see that the after picture shows and objectively trimmer physique? You don't want that for yourself so what does it matter to you?9 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »She GAINED 18 pounds and looks better:
Lots of time working out was involved.
Got to disagree about 'better'.
While I do understand you have an opinion, I believe negativity about physique transformations should be kept to oneself especially when it comes to before/afters.
Exactly. That's why I posted what I did. Saying that she looks better in the third picture is just as shaming for women who look like picture #1. I don't hate on neither and definitely appreciate the work it took to get to #3... but what looks better is totally subjective.
But yes, lots of people gain muscle and lose fat and end up weighing more with a smaller size - because muscle is denser than fat.
Personally, I think the shaming thing is nonsense. The young lady in the pictures shows better muscle development, body shape and posture in the 3rd picture. She looks healthier and fitter. Whether one likes that look or not, those are objective observations.
I, agree with @sardelsa when she bristles at the comment because she internalizes it as people saying that picture #3 not considered an appropriate goal; but, why is it incorrect for @Francl27 to bristle at the implication that picture #1 is not considered good enough?
Maybe Staci and Sardelsa and most of my MFP friends want to look more like #3 than #1 and maybe Francl27 wants to look like #1; but I don't see where there is anything wrong with **either** look given that they are both perfectly within the healthy range as far as I can tell.
To me it's about looking at a progress photo and saying she looked better before. What if @Francl27 you posted a progress photo and someone said you looked better in the before? What if people say "You look amazing and fit!" someone looks like your before, is that body shaming, should they be offended since that implies they do not look amazing and are unfit? Of course not.
I don't think that person looks bad in the before, she looks great...but clearly she made a transformation, she changed her body composition and is happy with her results. I have photos of me before I started this bulk, then after... I mean, I look leaner in the before but that doesn't mean I look bad in either, it's about my progress. Maybe the word "better" is the issue here.
Agreed completely.
It's not like you're comparing two people and comparing them to each other.
People are inserting themselves into this.
Progress pictures are about progress. You are supposed to look better as you progress. That's the goal.
The presence of the double standard still amazes me.
"Fit shaming" is deemed acceptable among people with insecurities and body issues, but fat shaming is strictly taboo and roundly condemned. The latter is considered "body shaming", the former apparently not so (at least by some).
If somebody was to go into a thread in the Success Stories forum and crap on somebody's thread where they've gone from 320 to 280 lbs by posting "She really doesn't look any better in the after pic", there would be a vicious dogpile and the post would probably (and rightfully) be reported about 100 times. Yet I've seen a number of threads over the years where people posted progress pics similar to the ones of Staci above and somebody will make a comment to the effect of "Ugh, that's too bulky, I'd never want to get like that!".
You don't get to have it both ways. If something doesn't fit your personal taste for aesthetics, keep it to yourself. Don't try to assuage your own insecurities/body issues by tearing somebody else's down. Because you certainly wouldn't like it if the shoe was on the other foot.
Yeah but... people who would go to success stories and poop on someone's parade would be *kitten*. THAT would be really just a very *kitten* thing to do.
The person here was posting someone else's picture and giving her own opinion about what looks better. This is the general fitness and DIET discussion. I was just pointing out that 'better' is subjective and really, this thread is about looking thinner, not more muscular. I mean, if someone had said that the first picture didn't look as good, would you be ok with it? Would you be up in arms crying about how it's 'fat shaming'? (obviously, she was never fat, but I'm sure someone out there would use that dumb 'skinny fat' term).
Really though... get over yourselves. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they have issues. I mean... really? do you really think that people are insecure or have body issues just because they don't aim for that muscular look anyway? Who's trying to make themselves feel better here? You're all just insulting people who have an average body type by coming out of nowhere and saying that a muscular person looks better than the average joe. But whatever. I'm too old to argue with self-centered, narrow minded people.
Nobody is insulting anyone here. You seem to just be projecting your own issues. The progress pics show that it isn't all about weight alone and a person can look great and be fit at a higher weight often. So, everyone who doesn't see it your way is self-centered and narrow minded?
Ironic.8 -
Wow, this got off the rails in a hurry...
It was mentioned above that the whole point of those 3 pics was to show that weight and looking thin can have different ways of manifesting itself. Pic one: starting weight. Pic 2: skinny/lost weight. Pic 3: put weight back on but still looks thin/fit. End of story.
Snowflakes can disperse now. The PC Police have left the scene of the crime.
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kshama2001 wrote: »She GAINED 18 pounds and looks better:
Lots of time working out was involved.
Got to disagree about 'better'.
While I do understand you have an opinion, I believe negativity about physique transformations should be kept to oneself especially when it comes to before/afters.
Exactly. That's why I posted what I did. Saying that she looks better in the third picture is just as shaming for women who look like picture #1. I don't hate on neither and definitely appreciate the work it took to get to #3... but what looks better is totally subjective.
But yes, lots of people gain muscle and lose fat and end up weighing more with a smaller size - because muscle is denser than fat.
Personally, I think the shaming thing is nonsense. The young lady in the pictures shows better muscle development, body shape and posture in the 3rd picture. She looks healthier and fitter. Whether one likes that look or not, those are objective observations.
I, agree with @sardelsa when she bristles at the comment because she internalizes it as people saying that picture #3 is not considered an appropriate goal; but, why is it incorrect for @Francl27 to bristle at the implication that picture #1 is not considered good enough?
Maybe Staci and @sardelsa and most of my MFP friends want to look more like #3 than #1 and maybe @Francl27 wants to look like #1; but I don't see where there is anything wrong with **either** look given that they are both perfectly within the healthy range as far as I can tell.
The problem is that Francl suggested that kshama was "shaming" by saying the third picture looked better and, by implication, that Staci was shaming by showing the transformation (and being proud of it) in the first place.
It's not.
The point kshama made is that often weight loss (within the healthy range) is NOT going to determine if one is going to be happy with the results or not. For goals that many would find worthy (I think the look in 3 would be widely considered very attractive and even preferable), weight maintenance or gain isn't necessarily a negative.
Moreover, and directly on topic for this thread, Staci's point (if I recall) was that she looked just as thin at a higher weight (and quite a bit thinner than the last time she'd been that weight).
Sure, some will still want the skinnier, more bones visible, less muscular look, just as some would find 3 not defined enough and others like a slightly chubbier look. kshama's comment was still a reasonable one and that people have different aesthetic preferences is not actually in debate here.7 -
Small voice: it's not Staci from Nerd Fitness. This lady's name is Kelsey Wells.2
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Small voice: it's not Staci from Nerd Fitness. This lady's name is Kelsey Wells.
She isn't? I was sure it was her!!!
But when you're right... you're right!!!
**kittens** am I really going to link to the daily mail?!?!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3710704/Fitness-blogger-urges-followers-stop-obsessing-weight-sharing-revealing-images-body-prove-looks-trim-toned-GAINING-20LBS.html2 -
Oh, heh, I totally thought it was Staci. I've seen that photo here so often since I last read Staci's story and have always conflated the two.
That said, Staci is a good example too of someone who looks at least as thin (and IMO even better) at 142 (plus strength training) vs. 131: https://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/female-powerlifters-meet-staci-ardison/2
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