Eat to LIve Dr. Fuhrman
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Hi there. I did a little research and it looks like for those who have concerns about losing lean muscle mass (and not just body fat), that can be addressed by ensuring they wait until they're really hungry before eating, continuing to exercise, and adding more cooked greens and beans/legumes.
I am sorry, but this is absolutely wrong. What 'research' was this? It completely goes against human physiology, and makes no sense to boot.0 -
I am not familiar with his program..
does anyone have cliff notes version?
I am a vegetarian, so no flag to wave here...it's tosh.0 -
Hi there. I did a little research and it looks like for those who have concerns about losing lean muscle mass (and not just body fat), that can be addressed by ensuring they wait until they're really hungry before eating, continuing to exercise, and adding more cooked greens and beans/legumes.0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
No thank you :flowerforyou: I like to keep my muscle mass and also be on a diet that is not horribly restrictive. I also like to keep my hormones regulated with a decent amount of fats (plus pooping!).0 -
I am not familiar with his program..
does anyone have cliff notes version?
http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx
I don't think it's that controversial, especially if you're already not a big meat eater. It was too strict for my tastes, I wasn't even compelled to try it after reading it. And his fascination with mushrooms and onions was a little weird.
hmmm anything that has "equations", "rules" and "toxic foods" is a no no for me ...
this is just someone trying to make things so complicated so that you have to buy their product, to enrich them..
calories in vs calories out + make sensible food choices + workout/move more = long term weight loss and health...
thanks for finally putting words to the thing I think when i try to read one of those books full of "sciencey" terms and can't follow and give up not from a feeling of stupidity but from feeling like I'm being MADE to feel stupid.0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
it is from fuhrmans website..http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx < that is his list for being nutritarian ...whatever the hell that is...?0 -
I am not familiar with his program..
does anyone have cliff notes version?
http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx
I don't think it's that controversial, especially if you're already not a big meat eater. It was too strict for my tastes, I wasn't even compelled to try it after reading it. And his fascination with mushrooms and onions was a little weird.
hmmm anything that has "equations", "rules" and "toxic foods" is a no no for me ...
this is just someone trying to make things so complicated so that you have to buy their product, to enrich them..
calories in vs calories out + make sensible food choices + workout/move more = long term weight loss and health...
^ every bit of that.
Look, OP, if you want to go chasing silly magic solutions and wasting your money, then knock yourself out. If you want a dose of reality, then this book is hogwash.0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
it is from fuhrmans website..http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx < that is his list for being nutritarian ...whatever the hell that is...?
My point: I don't see his website saying: eat this, only this and lose weight.0 -
After reading a little more of his web site, it's coming back to me. It's been years since I read the book. A lot of his ideas are a little 'out there', if you ask me.
Ha, this article even calls him 'out there'.
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/joel-fuhrman-the-doctor-is-out-there-201211070 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
it is from fuhrmans website..http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx < that is his list for being nutritarian ...whatever the hell that is...?
My point: I don't see his website saying: eat this, only this and lose weight.
His position on food - if you take the general framework of focusing on micronutrient rich food is sound. His detailed position on diseases in particular cardiovascular and cancer is bull pucks. The guys makes his money pushing supplements from his own shop.0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
it is from fuhrmans website..http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx < that is his list for being nutritarian ...whatever the hell that is...?
My point: I don't see his website saying: eat this, only this and lose weight.
His position on food - if you take the general framework of focusing on micronutrient rich food is sound. His detailed position on diseases in particular cardiovascular and cancer is bull pucks. The guys makes his money pushing supplements from his own shop.0 -
If all you had to do to preserve lean body mass while at a deficit was wait until you are really really hungry to eat there wouldn't be much gyms around and everyone would look good naked...0
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The Intermittent Fasting plan works for me, also called the 5:2 plan. Below are some links if you are interested.
Documentary from Michael Mosley
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvdbtt_eat-fast-live-longer-hd_shortfilms#.UOOjXKz47XS
Link to Mosley's Website
http://thefastdiet.co.uk/
The Fast Guide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9Aj6hRYg4A&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DW9Aj6hRYg4A&app=desktop
http://www.shape.com/weight-loss/weight-loss-strategies/10-unbelievable-diet-rules-backed-science0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
it is from fuhrmans website..http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx < that is his list for being nutritarian ...whatever the hell that is...?
My point: I don't see his website saying: eat this, only this and lose weight.
His position on food - if you take the general framework of focusing on micronutrient rich food is sound. His detailed position on diseases in particular cardiovascular and cancer is bull pucks. The guys makes his money pushing supplements from his own shop.
Well, I'm not she.
You'll have to wait until she dines to answer.
Or you can become a member of that site. You're not a member? I'm sure you get access to special places. For a membership.
Just sign up.0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
it is from fuhrmans website..http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx < that is his list for being nutritarian ...whatever the hell that is...?
My point: I don't see his website saying: eat this, only this and lose weight.
His position on food - if you take the general framework of focusing on micronutrient rich food is sound. His detailed position on diseases in particular cardiovascular and cancer is bull pucks. The guys makes his money pushing supplements from his own shop.
Well, I'm not she.
You'll have to wait until she dines to answer.
Or you can become a member of that site. You're not a member? I'm sure you get access to special places. For a membership.
Just sign up.
So was your original reply to me supposed to be a reply to me? Or just a convenient place to quote.0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
it is from fuhrmans website..http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx < that is his list for being nutritarian ...whatever the hell that is...?
My point: I don't see his website saying: eat this, only this and lose weight.
His position on food - if you take the general framework of focusing on micronutrient rich food is sound. His detailed position on diseases in particular cardiovascular and cancer is bull pucks. The guys makes his money pushing supplements from his own shop.
Well, I'm not she.
You'll have to wait until she dines to answer.
Or you can become a member of that site. You're not a member? I'm sure you get access to special places. For a membership.
Just sign up.
So was your original reply to me supposed to be a reply to me? Or just a convenient place to quote.
It might answer your question? Whatevers.
I probably hit the wrong button. Maybe it was a comment to your earlier posting, you know, where you found him reasonable.
He is too full of hype for my own taste.0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
it is from fuhrmans website..http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx < that is his list for being nutritarian ...whatever the hell that is...?
My point: I don't see his website saying: eat this, only this and lose weight.
His position on food - if you take the general framework of focusing on micronutrient rich food is sound. His detailed position on diseases in particular cardiovascular and cancer is bull pucks. The guys makes his money pushing supplements from his own shop.
Well, I'm not she.
You'll have to wait until she dines to answer.
Or you can become a member of that site. You're not a member? I'm sure you get access to special places. For a membership.
Just sign up.
So was your original reply to me supposed to be a reply to me? Or just a convenient place to quote.
It might answer your question? Whatevers.
I probably hit the wrong button. Maybe it was a comment to your earlier posting, you know, where you found him reasonable.
He is too full of hype for my own taste.0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
it is from fuhrmans website..http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx < that is his list for being nutritarian ...whatever the hell that is...?
My point: I don't see his website saying: eat this, only this and lose weight.
His position on food - if you take the general framework of focusing on micronutrient rich food is sound. His detailed position on diseases in particular cardiovascular and cancer is bull pucks. The guys makes his money pushing supplements from his own shop.
Well, I'm not she.
You'll have to wait until she dines to answer.
Or you can become a member of that site. You're not a member? I'm sure you get access to special places. For a membership.
Just sign up.
So was your original reply to me supposed to be a reply to me? Or just a convenient place to quote.
It might answer your question? Whatevers.
I probably hit the wrong button. Maybe it was a comment to your earlier posting, you know, where you found him reasonable.
He is too full of hype for my own taste.
Well, if it helps add credibility to the poster who posted the list, there were a couple of other topics posted on Eat to Live yesterday and they had the same food list. For whatever that's worth.0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
it is from fuhrmans website..http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx < that is his list for being nutritarian ...whatever the hell that is...?
My point: I don't see his website saying: eat this, only this and lose weight.
His position on food - if you take the general framework of focusing on micronutrient rich food is sound. His detailed position on diseases in particular cardiovascular and cancer is bull pucks. The guys makes his money pushing supplements from his own shop.
Well, I'm not she.
You'll have to wait until she dines to answer.
Or you can become a member of that site. You're not a member? I'm sure you get access to special places. For a membership.
Just sign up.
So was your original reply to me supposed to be a reply to me? Or just a convenient place to quote.
It might answer your question? Whatevers.
I probably hit the wrong button. Maybe it was a comment to your earlier posting, you know, where you found him reasonable.
He is too full of hype for my own taste.
Well, if it helps add credibility to the poster who posted the list, there were a couple of other topics posted on Eat to Live yesterday and they had the same food list. For whatever that's worth.0 -
Here's a link to the food list as written by a book reviewer. Can't find the list on the official site, probably because they want you to buy the book.
http://www.chewfo.com/diets/eat-to-live-by-joel-fuhrman-2003-2011-what-to-eat-and-foods-to-avoid-food-list/#six0 -
Here's a link to the food list as written by a book reviewer. Can't find the list on the official site, probably because they want you to buy the book.
http://www.chewfo.com/diets/eat-to-live-by-joel-fuhrman-2003-2011-what-to-eat-and-foods-to-avoid-food-list/#six
It does talk about six weeks though.
Interesting.0 -
I'd like to try 6 weeks of this, starting Jan. 2 (daily):
• 1 Tbsp flaxseed
• 1 cup legumes: chickpeas, black beans, lentils, kidney beans, cannellini beans, white beans, navy beans
• 4+ fresh fruit: apples, bananas, berries, grapes, mango, melon, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapple, kiwi
• 1 lb raw veg: Kale, chard, romaine, green pepper, frozen peas, cucumber, sprouts
• 1 lb cooked veg: broccoli, zucchini, Brussels sprout, escarole, spinach, onion, mushroom, cauliflower,..
• 0-2 oz avocado
• 0-1 cup starch: butternut squash, brown/wild rice, cooked carrot, sweet potato, barley
Anyone interested in joining me?
it is from fuhrmans website..http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx < that is his list for being nutritarian ...whatever the hell that is...?
My point: I don't see his website saying: eat this, only this and lose weight.
His position on food - if you take the general framework of focusing on micronutrient rich food is sound. His detailed position on diseases in particular cardiovascular and cancer is bull pucks. The guys makes his money pushing supplements from his own shop.
Well, I'm not she.
You'll have to wait until she dines to answer.
Or you can become a member of that site. You're not a member? I'm sure you get access to special places. For a membership.
Just sign up.
So was your original reply to me supposed to be a reply to me? Or just a convenient place to quote.
It might answer your question? Whatevers.
I probably hit the wrong button. Maybe it was a comment to your earlier posting, you know, where you found him reasonable.
He is too full of hype for my own taste.
Well, if it helps add credibility to the poster who posted the list, there were a couple of other topics posted on Eat to Live yesterday and they had the same food list. For whatever that's worth.
they win because they are not "toxic"....I guess...0 -
Hi, thumb brower47. It would be helpful for me to see any studies showing eating a plant-based whole food diet contributes to loss of lean body mass while losing weight – thanks. To me, not eating until you’re hungry sounds sensible, but again if there’s research out there to indicate it’s not, it would help me to see it. Much appreciated!
Hi, ILiftHeavyAcr. I’m no scientist, but pp. 319-364 of the edition I have of Eat to Live is all references to peer-reviewed studies, if that helps. In the ETL approach, you get all your protein from plant sources (e.g. beans) given the evidence linking animal protein with cancers, heart disease, etc. (When I came across people like those profiled at veganbodybuilding.com, that helped convince me. )
Hi, MyChocolateDi. The first time I tried this program I did have brief headaches for a few days. Fortunately they did not trigger a migraine, which I too have a propensity for getting. My headaches really didn’t surprise me when I considered that my body was “moving out” the aftermath of all the poor-quality food I’d been eating beforehand! But as you suggested, this approach may not be reasonable for everyone.0 -
Sorry, those are mostly minimums.0
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Here's a link to the food list as written by a book reviewer. Can't find the list on the official site, probably because they want you to buy the book.
http://www.chewfo.com/diets/eat-to-live-by-joel-fuhrman-2003-2011-what-to-eat-and-foods-to-avoid-food-list/#six
It does talk about six weeks though.
Interesting.
Yeah, it's broader. I still don't care for plans that divide foods into good and bad categories. And I think this plan would be seriously low in protein.0 -
I take B12 and D.0
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This is essentially the 6-week plan put forward as a jump-start.0
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Sorry, those are mostly minimums.
ps: I eat a whole foods, plant based diet (with meat and dairy).0 -
SHE is right here and you can ask me directly. This would be my version of the 6-week plan.0
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