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So you're saying if you're not eating keto and don't feel satied with your meals it's because you're eating too many carbs, but if you eat keto and don't feel satied, it's all in your head??
No, that is not what I said at all.
I am not sure how you managed to get off track, so let me try again.
I was making two points:
First, I was stating the rather obvious fact that if you eat a calorie dense food, your meal is going to be noticeably smaller in volume for a given amount of calories... because that is what calorie dense means, more calories in a given volume!
This is not something specific to keto, it holds true whether you are talking about keto or not. Keto does however have more calories from fat, and fat is both calorie dense and known to trigger satiation by altering the balance of the hormones Leptin, the hormone which decreases your appetite and Ghrelin, the hormone that increases appetite.
The combined effect of these hormone changes is satiation (i.e., the absence of hunger).
Second, satiation is not necessarily synonymous with having a "full" stomach (i.e., your stomach has reached the capacity of what it can physically hold).
You can be satiated without being full, and full without being satiated.
You can also be both (or neither) at the same time, because they are two different things.
The main point here is, It is not necessary to stuff yourself in order to reach satiation.
Thus, if you are in the habit of eating large bulky meals (yes, this is a habit, not a physical requirement) and switch to eating small calorie dense meals, you might look at your plate and think "This is not enough food! I won't feel full", even though it is more than enough calories to sustain you. And yes, it is mostly in your head.
This is one of the reasons people habitually overeat, they keep eating well past the point to satiation in order to feel "full", because that is how they have always done it.
Again, this is not something specific to keto, but it just happens that keto includes more calories from fat (high calorie density) than most people are used to eating, so the portions tend to be noticeably smaller in volume for a given amount of calories, see the first point.
And yes, as FlyingMolly points out you can pair your high calorie density foods with a low carb filler if you really think you need that extra bulk to feel "full" and still be keto.
Whatever works for you, but I feel that using fillers to add bulk to a meal is kind of a crutch to avoid correcting bad habits.
Kind of like using artificial sweeteners instead of just not eating/drinking sweet things. Sure a can of diet soda is marginally better than a can of full sugar soda, but it is even better to drink water or unsweetened tea.FlyingMolly wrote: »Yes...but...on keto you can still eat the large head of lettuce, as long as you offset it with some fat. A large plate of arugula is ten calories and only one net carb; an ounce of cheese will balance that and make it keto. You could make it a HUGE plate for another half-ounce of cheese. A green salad with some cucumbers, mushrooms, and a glug of full-fat dressing can easily be keto. You don’t have to sacrifice low-calorie volume; you just have to make sure the high-calorie foods you pair it with are low-carb.
I make a soup that has so much volume I struggle to eat a 500-calorie bowl of it. The bulk comes from riced vegetables and spinach, while most of the calories come from the reduced chicken broth and coconut milk I use as a base. Once I was low on calories and had two servings left in the fridge, so I tried to eat them both at once and thought my stomach might literally burst.
It doesn’t have to be either-or. Even on keto.
Yeah, true. See above.
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SirSmurfalot wrote: »So you're saying if you're not eating keto and don't feel satied with your meals it's because you're eating too many carbs, but if you eat keto and don't feel satied, it's all in your head??
No, that is not what I said at all.
I am not sure how you managed to get off track, so let me try again.
I was making two points:
First, I was stating the rather obvious fact that if you eat a calorie dense food, your meal is going to be noticeably smaller in volume for a given amount of calories... because that is what calorie dense means, more calories in a given volume!
This is not something specific to keto, it holds true whether you are talking about keto or not. Keto does however have more calories from fat, and fat is both calorie dense and known to trigger satiation by altering the balance of the hormones Leptin, the hormone which decreases your appetite and Ghrelin, the hormone that increases appetite.
The combined effect of these hormone changes is satiation (i.e., the absence of hunger).
Second, satiation is not necessarily synonymous with having a "full" stomach (i.e., your stomach has reached the capacity of what it can physically hold).
You can be satiated without being full, and full without being satiated.
You can also be both (or neither) at the same time, because they are two different things.
The main point here is, It is not necessary to stuff yourself in order to reach satiation.
Thus, if you are in the habit of eating large bulky meals (yes, this is a habit, not a physical requirement) and switch to eating small calorie dense meals, you might look at your plate and think "This is not enough food! I won't feel full", even though it is more than enough calories to sustain you. And yes, it is mostly in your head.
This is one of the reasons people habitually overeat, they keep eating well past the point to satiation in order to feel "full", because that is how they have always done it.
Again, this is not something specific to keto, but it just happens that keto includes more calories from fat (high calorie density) than most people are used to eating, so the portions tend to be noticeably smaller in volume for a given amount of calories, see the first point.
And yes, as FlyingMolly points out you can pair your high calorie density foods with a low carb filler if you really think you need that extra bulk to feel "full" and still be keto.
Whatever works for you, but I feel that using fillers to add bulk to a meal is kind of a crutch to avoid correcting bad habits.
Kind of like using artificial sweeteners instead of just not eating/drinking sweet things. Sure a can of diet soda is marginally better than a can of full sugar soda, but it is even better to drink water or unsweetened tea.FlyingMolly wrote: »Yes...but...on keto you can still eat the large head of lettuce, as long as you offset it with some fat. A large plate of arugula is ten calories and only one net carb; an ounce of cheese will balance that and make it keto. You could make it a HUGE plate for another half-ounce of cheese. A green salad with some cucumbers, mushrooms, and a glug of full-fat dressing can easily be keto. You don’t have to sacrifice low-calorie volume; you just have to make sure the high-calorie foods you pair it with are low-carb.
I make a soup that has so much volume I struggle to eat a 500-calorie bowl of it. The bulk comes from riced vegetables and spinach, while most of the calories come from the reduced chicken broth and coconut milk I use as a base. Once I was low on calories and had two servings left in the fridge, so I tried to eat them both at once and thought my stomach might literally burst.
It doesn’t have to be either-or. Even on keto.
Yeah, true. See above.
And again, studies dont support that. Also, carbs have the greater impacts on leptin. Its why refeeds, to get leptin back to normal levels, are done with extremely high carbs.20 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »I did it for 4 weeks n it killed me just about no energy, the shakes, bad heads, mood swings. Just wasn't for me, doesn't say it won't help other ppl
The main thing that causes people to feel bad on keto is electrolytes, especially in the beginning when you are peeing out a lot of water weight.
Most of the time you can do this through diet, but iIf you do heavy exercise with a lot of sweating, then you need to supplement electrolytes or you will feel like crap.
General rules of thumb:
Shakes = Need magnesium
Cramps = Need potassium
Headache = Need sodium
A general electrolyte imbalance = low energy
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?32 -
WinoGelato wrote: »SirSmurfalot wrote: »I did it for 4 weeks n it killed me just about no energy, the shakes, bad heads, mood swings. Just wasn't for me, doesn't say it won't help other ppl
The main thing that causes people to feel bad on keto is electrolytes, especially in the beginning when you are peeing out a lot of water weight.
Most of the time you can do this through diet, but iIf you do heavy exercise with a lot of sweating, then you need to supplement electrolytes or you will feel like crap.
General rules of thumb:
Shakes = Need magnesium
Cramps = Need potassium
Headache = Need sodium
A general electrolyte imbalance = low energy
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Because for some people it beats choosing a diet model that leaves them going to bed hungry if they want to remain in a calorie deficit (IMO)!
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »SirSmurfalot wrote: »I did it for 4 weeks n it killed me just about no energy, the shakes, bad heads, mood swings. Just wasn't for me, doesn't say it won't help other ppl
The main thing that causes people to feel bad on keto is electrolytes, especially in the beginning when you are peeing out a lot of water weight.
Most of the time you can do this through diet, but iIf you do heavy exercise with a lot of sweating, then you need to supplement electrolytes or you will feel like crap.
General rules of thumb:
Shakes = Need magnesium
Cramps = Need potassium
Headache = Need sodium
A general electrolyte imbalance = low energy
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Because for some people it beats choosing a diet model that leaves them going to bed hungry if they want to remain in a calorie deficit (IMO)!
And just like many keto proponents are quick to point out that the person who tried keto and failed to get through the rough patch just wasn’t doing it right, i would respond that maybe your attempts with other diet models weren’t successful because you weren’t doing it right. I’ve never gone to bed hungry while eating all things in moderation, because I know what satiates me and I build my days around that. If you tried it and it didn’t work, kudos for finding something that did, but that’s basically what this poster is saying as well - they tried keto, they were miserable, they’ve moved onto something that works. And yet people are still telling them what they should have done differently so that they could have stuck with it and powered through the misery.21 -
I read the KETO diet info & my take away from it was to eliminate simple carbs from my diet. No Bread & pasta of any sort. The extra weight I needed to shed came off easily. As a bonus my afternoon fatigue was also gone. I struggled with afternoon fatigue for years & figured it was a daily simple carb crash>>> all good now!
I still have wine & beer though but I do this in evening so if I get tired I go to bed... lol6 -
WinoGelato wrote: »And just like many keto proponents are quick to point out that the person who tried keto and failed to get through the rough patch just wasn’t doing it right, i would respond that maybe your attempts with other diet models weren’t successful because you weren’t doing it right. I’ve never gone to bed hungry while eating all things in moderation, because I know what satiates me and I build my days around that. If you tried it and it didn’t work, kudos for finding something that did, but that’s basically what this poster is saying as well - they tried keto, they were miserable, they’ve moved onto something that works. And yet people are still telling them what they should have done differently so that they could have stuck with it and powered through the misery.
A misery that can have ramifications in the heart. There are people walking around out there with undiagnosed heart conditions and it does concern me that some Keto newcomers are unaware of a potential electrolyte imbalance that some people here take pretty lightly.
I think anyone considering this diet should first experiment with their eating to make sure it is even necessary. If it does seem necessary they should transition slowly instead of cutting their carbs drastically to avoid the Keto flu and other side effects.11 -
Been Keto for almost 3 months. I love it.
Pros so far:
Lost 14 pounds... some of which is water I’m sure.
No longer need prescription acne medication.
No longer need sleeping medication. I used to take 10mg of melatonin to fall asleep.
Don’t wake 5 times to pee at night, can sleep 9 hours without moving.
Way less hungry, unless it’s shark week.
Way more energy, feel alert and cheerful without caffeine.
Less headaches.
I don’t get hangry anymore.
My memory seems better. Maybe I’m imagining this one? Lol
My kids love all the delicious things I cook.
Cons (so far):
Less convenient. I generally make all my own food, which can occasionally take a long time. Meal prep once a week helps. Foods can sometimes be expensive if I go organic grass fed, etc.
Have to carry a water bottle everywhere because I get thirsty a lot.
The first week sucked. Tiredness, headaches, low blood pressure, constant peeing. It passed, though.
All in all, I’m very satisfied with it. After a while you don’t even miss carbs. There’s been an open bag of Oreo mini’s on my desk for a week now (kids like ‘em) and I haven’t touched it!5 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.32 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.
There's nothing wrong with SAD as long as one isn't obese, or eating more than is necessary to maintain a healthy weight.
And there's no benefit to keto, if one is obese and eats more than is necessary to maintain a healthy weight.
If you're going to have to track and micromanage either way, you might as well eat a varied diet.15 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.
Keto or S.A.D. are not the only 2 choices. You have presented a false set of choices.18 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.
Keto or S.A.D. are not the only 2 choices. You have presented a false set of choices.
https://bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excluding-the-middle.html/8 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.
Keto or S.A.D. are not the only 2 choices. You have presented a false set of choices.
Somewhere out there is an obese keto vegan with heart disease who's absolutely furious at the various woo peddlers who sold her a bill of goods.16 -
I did keto for a year, a few years ago. It definitely has its pros and cons. There's not a whole lot of studies about long-term health effects of the diet so it's hard to say how healthy it really is, compared to other styles of eating.
For me, here were the pros and cons.
Pros:
- Better mental clarity and more energy, while needing to sleep less
- Stable hunger levels (no sugar crashes and manageable, slow-building hunger)
- Fat and protein provided long-lasting satiety
- Zero bloating and gas
- Pleasant breath
Cons:
- Ultimately an unsustainable style of eating, because I enjoy carbs (biggest con for me)
- Workouts and running suffered, didn't have the same endurance and strength as usual
- Social situations became difficult (eating with friends and family at social functions and restaurants)
- Carb cravings never went away
- Constipation
If you naturally don't really enjoy eating fruit, breads, pastas, potatoes, desserts - then keto might work out great for you. But for me, I couldn't make that permanent lifestyle change and when I fell off the keto wagon, I regained all the weight I lost.
I've now lost it all again by eating whatever I want while sticking to a calorie deficit. I naturally err towards low-carb (under 150g a day) but still allow myself carby treats every day. This method has worked much better for me, but YMMV.7 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.
Yeah, because eating the SAD is the only alternative to keto. There's no other way one could choose to eat, it has to be one or the other.14 -
janejellyroll wrote: »SirSmurfalot wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.
Yeah, because eating the SAD is the only alternative to keto. There's no other way one could choose to eat, it has to be one or the other.
Yes, just like if you're not eating 'clean' (whatever that means), your diet consists entirely of processed junk food. There never seems to be a middle ground amongst the converted.11 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.
Yeah...because the only alternative to a keto diet is the SAD...GTFO9 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.
Keto or S.A.D. are not the only 2 choices. You have presented a false set of choices.
Yep, if you don't eat low carb you are an undisciplined junk food addict living off the SAD.
I am not a volume eater. People often point out the "small portions" I always take. I find a single portion of oats, rice, or potatoes far more filling than a single portion of nuts, cheese, or meat. Increasing the fiber in my diet made a huge difference in my ability to eat the right amount of calories. I never felt tired, sick, or hungry while losing weight. I get rather tired of the condescension though. Just because you had to make a complete diet 180 to eat an appropriate calorie diet doesn't mean everyone does. I'm a firm believer in Work Smarter not Harder. Why choose a diet I have to struggle against when I can just make some small improvements and get the same benefits? Life is hard enough...
If OP is still reading, don't make any decisions based on anything Dr. Oz says, he's a complete fraud at this point.
The key is to find a way of eating that you enjoy and that easily keeps you at the right calorie level. You can eat any diet in a healthy manner, just use common sense. And if one way becomes too much of a struggle after you've given yourself a decent shot at it, don't give up, just keep trying different macro distributions, meal timings, weight loss speeds, etc until you find the right fit. Lower carb is an effective strategy for a lot of people, so try it if you'd like. Good luck!12 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
How much money do you make as a psychic doctor?
I eat SAD and am not obese, bloated, nor have diabetes and/or heart disease (both are rampant on my mother's side).10 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.
But losing 6ish pounds of water in a very short amount of time is not exactly normal for people who are probably not in the best of shape and working in climate controlled buildings. These people starting a LC diet may barely even know what electrolytes are. I won't argue that people that need constant hydration because of climate, work, or exercise that for them managing hydration and electrolytes is probably second nature.
Besides your "mild hangover" has been described by a few people as a very scary experience.10
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