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Keto Lifestyle Question
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SirSmurfalot wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.
Ok I will play, what’s your definition of SAD? I’m always perplexed when people bring this term up as I can’t imagine that in a country as diverse as this that you could find a consistent diet amongst the masses, even amongst subsets of the masses.
Why do you assume that anyone not eating keto must be eating SAD, or that people not eating keto are destined for obesity, heart disease and diabetes?10 -
WinoGelato wrote: »SirSmurfalot wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
Or you could, you know, not force yourself to push through and make accommodations to survive these symptoms just to continue on with a diet that shows no long term metabolic advantage for weight loss.
I will never understand why when people come in and describe their symptoms of keto flu why keto proponents are so adamant that they need to make all these adjustments just to get past it. That sounds awful and completely unnecessary so why encourage someone to stick with something that they found miserable?
Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you.
Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day.
The keto flu (a misnomer, it is actually closer to a mild hangover) lasts a day or two at most and can be completely eliminated if you simply watch your hydration and electrolytes, as people with experience rightly suggest.
Staying well-hydrated and managing your electrolytes not something new or special to keto, as any athlete could tell you. It is actually a very good idea for everyone.
I will never understand why people are so quick give up something that is ultimately good for them at the first sign that they have to put the least little bit of <gasp> effort into it.
Ok I will play, what’s your definition of SAD? I’m always perplexed when people bring this term up as I can’t imagine that in a country as diverse as this that you could find a consistent diet amongst the masses, even amongst subsets of the masses.
Why do you assume that anyone not eating keto must be eating SAD, or that people not eating keto are destined for obesity, heart disease and diabetes?
Because Keto is the light and the way to salvation - a disease free and healthy life, haven't you heard this wonderful news?!? (/end-sarcasm)15 -
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As a plant based keto follower, I think it eliminates a lot of the cardiac concerns as there is little to no saturated fats (unless you go crazy on coconut oils). I think keto, along with plant based keto is all about looking at the big picture and making sure you are still eating a good variety of foods and paying close attention to your micros. Like with any style of eating you cant get lazy and expect that your body will get what it needs. That being said I have had great success on it, but I went keto for specific gastrointestinal issues I have, and I feel great. As some comments have said, its certainly not for everyone, listen to your body and see how it reacts.7
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As a plant based keto follower, I think it eliminates a lot of the cardiac concerns as there is little to no saturated fats (unless you go crazy on coconut oils). I think keto, along with plant based keto is all about looking at the big picture and making sure you are still eating a good variety of foods and paying close attention to your micros. Like with any style of eating you cant get lazy and expect that your body will get what it needs. That being said I have had great success on it, but I went keto for specific gastrointestinal issues I have, and I feel great. As some comments have said, its certainly not for everyone, listen to your body and see how it reacts.
Could you tell me what you normally eat on a day to day basis? I'm mostly plant based and I'm pretty high carb-I don't know how I'd do it low carb? Someone was asking about vegetarian keto in another thread and I didn't think it was possible-I'm intrigued now
eta: since switching to a more WFPB woe I've noticed a definite up-tick in bloating from the increased carbs. Would be nice to calm this down a bit! I just sent you a pm, with more questions LOL 2 -
As a plant based keto follower, I think it eliminates a lot of the cardiac concerns as there is little to no saturated fats (unless you go crazy on coconut oils). I think keto, along with plant based keto is all about looking at the big picture and making sure you are still eating a good variety of foods and paying close attention to your micros. Like with any style of eating you cant get lazy and expect that your body will get what it needs. That being said I have had great success on it, but I went keto for specific gastrointestinal issues I have, and I feel great. As some comments have said, its certainly not for everyone, listen to your body and see how it reacts.
Could you tell me what you normally eat on a day to day basis? I'm mostly plant based and I'm pretty high carb-I don't know how I'd do it low carb? Someone was asking about vegetarian keto in another thread and I didn't think it was possible-I'm intrigued now
eta: since switching to a more WFPB woe I've noticed a definite up-tick in bloating from the increased carbs. Would be nice to calm this down a bit! I just sent you a pm, with more questions LOL
Of course!
For breakfast I usually rotate between a warm chia/flax pudding (reminds me of oatmeal), keto pancakes or keto "bagels" that I make, I get a lot of recipes from Meat Free Keto's page. I like a sweet breakfast but you can also do a tofu & veggie scramble, but I often have that for lunch.
Lunch and dinners are interchangeable depending on what I've made (I like to make double portions for leftovers). Lately ive been having zoodles with either pan fried tofu, or Gardein meatless meatballs and a small amount of sauce. I also like to make my keto "buffalo style" salad with mixed greens, baby kale, cukes, avocado and pan fried tofu. I top it with a dressing I make out of Just mayo, Franks red hot and a little it of evoo and water. Super good!
For snacks it depends on what macros I have left for the day but it can be a nut & chia bar, nut butters, almonds, protein shakes, raspberries, blackberries (or any high fiber fruit in a small amount).
I get my fats mostly through nuts, tofu, MCT oil (in my coffee) and cooking with evoo.
I plan on trying some new recipes soon, some keto pad thai (use kelp noodles), soups, crack slaw etc all from that website, she's my favorite. I haven't needed any fat bombs, but I may try some of her recipes to have as a treat.3 -
As a plant based keto follower, I think it eliminates a lot of the cardiac concerns as there is little to no saturated fats (unless you go crazy on coconut oils). I think keto, along with plant based keto is all about looking at the big picture and making sure you are still eating a good variety of foods and paying close attention to your micros. Like with any style of eating you cant get lazy and expect that your body will get what it needs. That being said I have had great success on it, but I went keto for specific gastrointestinal issues I have, and I feel great. As some comments have said, its certainly not for everyone, listen to your body and see how it reacts.
Could you tell me what you normally eat on a day to day basis? I'm mostly plant based and I'm pretty high carb-I don't know how I'd do it low carb? Someone was asking about vegetarian keto in another thread and I didn't think it was possible-I'm intrigued now
eta: since switching to a more WFPB woe I've noticed a definite up-tick in bloating from the increased carbs. Would be nice to calm this down a bit! I just sent you a pm, with more questions LOL
Of course!
For breakfast I usually rotate between a warm chia/flax pudding (reminds me of oatmeal), keto pancakes or keto "bagels" that I make, I get a lot of recipes from Meat Free Keto's page. I like a sweet breakfast but you can also do a tofu & veggie scramble, but I often have that for lunch.
Lunch and dinners are interchangeable depending on what I've made (I like to make double portions for leftovers). Lately ive been having zoodles with either pan fried tofu, or Gardein meatless meatballs and a small amount of sauce. I also like to make my keto "buffalo style" salad with mixed greens, baby kale, cukes, avocado and pan fried tofu. I top it with a dressing I make out of Just mayo, Franks red hot and a little it of evoo and water. Super good!
For snacks it depends on what macros I have left for the day but it can be a nut & chia bar, nut butters, almonds, protein shakes, raspberries, blackberries (or any high fiber fruit in a small amount).
I get my fats mostly through nuts, tofu, MCT oil (in my coffee) and cooking with evoo.
I plan on trying some new recipes soon, some keto pad thai (use kelp noodles), soups, crack slaw etc all from that website, she's my favorite. I haven't needed any fat bombs, but I may try some of her recipes to have as a treat.
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Did it for 2 months in the past. Helped put me off my high bp pills. Then as the weight started to come off I transistion back to my original foods in smaller portions.2
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I'm on a keto diet. I have epilepsy. My seizures have reduced.8
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KrazyKrissyy wrote: »I'm on a keto diet. I have epilepsy. My seizures have reduced.
good to hear and keto was originally designed for that reason.4 -
I had a month with full on keto doing a keto reset and used intermittent fasting. Weight dropped off, I don’t suffer with gas (even since I reintroduced foods I know made me gassy previously) and I got down 7.5kg from 87.3 to 79.9. I reintroduced carbs 4 nights a week and have been trying to build muscle. It’s going well. I eat keto around the carb back loading nights and it’s working well. Clarity, focus, energy are all up since I started keto.8
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »KrazyKrissyy wrote: »I'm on a keto diet. I have epilepsy. My seizures have reduced.
good to hear and keto was originally designed for that reason.
I think keto was first medically prescribed for epilepsy (and diabetes) rather than designed for it.6 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »KrazyKrissyy wrote: »I'm on a keto diet. I have epilepsy. My seizures have reduced.
good to hear and keto was originally designed for that reason.
I think keto was first medically prescribed for epilepsy (and diabetes) rather than designed for it.
It was prescribed epilepsy in the 1920’s.1 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »KrazyKrissyy wrote: »I'm on a keto diet. I have epilepsy. My seizures have reduced.
good to hear and keto was originally designed for that reason.
I think keto was first medically prescribed for epilepsy (and diabetes) rather than designed for it.
It was prescribed epilepsy in the 1920’s.
Yes, I realize that.
I think it was Rollo who first used high fat and protein to treat diabetes in the late 1700s. LCHF diets fell out of vogue in the 1950s when the low fat movement, spurred on by Ancel Keys, took over. Suddenly the LCHF treatment became "dangerously unhealthy" and was mostly abandoned.
Some nomadic cultures began eating ketogenic and low carb diets thousands of years ago. It is really just the name of the diet that is new. That way of eating has been around a long time.10 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »KrazyKrissyy wrote: »I'm on a keto diet. I have epilepsy. My seizures have reduced.
good to hear and keto was originally designed for that reason.
I think keto was first medically prescribed for epilepsy (and diabetes) rather than designed for it.
well it was used for epilepsy primarily so whether it was prescribed or designed for that doesnt matter lets say it was
developed instead . They found that it worked for epilepsy back in the 20s. sure people like inuits ate that way for centuries. its just because of what was and wasnt available so thats how they ate. but then again inuits and eskimos many of them were also overweight so that should prove that keto is not a special fat burning diet like some think. either way its neem proven to help many health issues and thats great for those who have those issues.
this says it was designed for epilepsy-https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2898565/
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The Inuit were NOT an overweight people before they adopted any western foods. At all. That's a pretty common misconception due to their round, wide and flatter facial shapes that are common, and the thick layers of clothes they need to wear.
I remember reading one arctic explorer's description on how surprisingly slim the people were. If you look at photos from the 1800's and early 1900's, you'll quickly see what I mean.
And I saw that they said keto was designed for epilepsy... It's a poor (incorrect really) choice of wording on their part.11 -
The Inuit were NOT an overweight people before they adopted any western foods. At all. That's a pretty common misconception due to their round, wide and flatter facial shapes that are common, and the thick layers of clothes they need to wear.
I remember reading one arctic explorer's description on how surprisingly slim the people were. If you look at photos from the 1800's and early 1900's, you'll quickly see what I mean.
And I saw that they said keto was designed for epilepsy... It's a poor (incorrect really) choice of wording on their part.
well any pics I see are all of overweight inuit/eskimo. and even to this day many of them cannot eat a western diet as depending on location they still cannot get certain things shipped to their area and if they do its limited.not to mention the cost of said items. There is still an obesity issue with the inuits/eskimoes.any studies I can find other than those below say that eskimos/inuits were more overweight/obese,especially the women and had a higher waist to hip ration even in the 20s.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10702767
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10951530
they also seem to have a gene that keeps their LDL cholesterol low,but its only certain types and a small amount of certain types of asians. sure some of them may eat a westernized diet,but Im sure there are many out there who live too far out to get certain things. it says they were more obese than canadians who ate a more westernized diet.6 -
I have been basically on Keto since May 6th. Cold Turkey off sugar and grains. And for me it has been a huge step in correct direction. I must admit I was a total sugar addict, the cravings not pretty. So I am a label reader before I buy anything. Pretty much, really try to go for unprocessed foods, amazing what goes in foods hiding under interesting names. Most likely not a true Keto as my carbs per day are around 50, protein 80, fat 45. But carbs cannot come from grains, or starchy veges. I have found it easy, and do lots of pre-planning, and prep work ahead of time. Yes I have lots to lose, and have Dr. ok and advise as a type 2 diabetic and have gotten off Actos so far. And looking to get healthy and hopefully off some other medications, and or reduce dosages.
Dr, Oz seems to see him self as some type of self appointed Guru of all sorts of medical issues. I ignore him.6 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »The Inuit were NOT an overweight people before they adopted any western foods. At all. That's a pretty common misconception due to their round, wide and flatter facial shapes that are common, and the thick layers of clothes they need to wear.
I remember reading one arctic explorer's description on how surprisingly slim the people were. If you look at photos from the 1800's and early 1900's, you'll quickly see what I mean.
And I saw that they said keto was designed for epilepsy... It's a poor (incorrect really) choice of wording on their part.
well any pics I see are all of overweight inuit/eskimo. and even to this day many of them cannot eat a western diet as depending on location they still cannot get certain things shipped to their area and if they do its limited.not to mention the cost of said items. There is still an obesity issue with the inuits/eskimoes.any studies I can find other than those below say that eskimos/inuits were more overweight/obese,especially the women and had a higher waist to hip ration even in the 20s.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10702767
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10951530
they also seem to have a gene that keeps their LDL cholesterol low,but its only certain types and a small amount of certain types of asians. sure some of them may eat a westernized diet,but Im sure there are many out there who live too far out to get certain things. it says they were more obese than canadians who ate a more westernized diet.
The Inuit do have the same obesity problem as everyone else eating a Western diet... Now. Before adopting the western diet they were slimmer. As you know, your links are about the present day situation of higher carb, western food and changed lifestyle.
Here are some pictures. They are after their lives started to change but it gives an idea. You can see the broad, flatter face could look like it is related to extra weight but the neck, arms, leg, and everything else is slim.
https://www.vintag.es/2017/08/25-amazing-vintage-photographs-that.html
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2017/feb/15/geraldine-moodie-douglas-moodie-photographers-1900s-canada-inuit
But we're off topic.
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But the Inuit and their genetic make-up is helpful.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/09/17/441169188/the-secret-to-the-inuit-high-fat-diet-may-be-good-genes2
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