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cherelle75
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Hello All,
Hope everyone's having a fab Friday!! Someone mentioned the Keto lifestyle to me recently. Has anyone tried it or is on it and is willing to share their thoughts and/or concerns? I saw a segment of Dr. Oz where he stated his cardiac concerns & suggested to be on it no longer than 90 days. And then transition to a more sustainable less health adverse lifestyle. However, I hear the positives beyond weight loss as well: increase mental clarity, better sleep, skin/hair improvement, etc.
Hope everyone's having a fab Friday!! Someone mentioned the Keto lifestyle to me recently. Has anyone tried it or is on it and is willing to share their thoughts and/or concerns? I saw a segment of Dr. Oz where he stated his cardiac concerns & suggested to be on it no longer than 90 days. And then transition to a more sustainable less health adverse lifestyle. However, I hear the positives beyond weight loss as well: increase mental clarity, better sleep, skin/hair improvement, etc.
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I've been on it for most of the last 3.5 years. It's made me healthier, improved my health issues (postural hypotension, insulin resistance, inflammatory pain issues, better appetite control, better hair, skin and nails, good cholesterol and labs) so I have nothing to transition to.
IMO, carbs are mostly about taste and convenience. There are no nutrients lacking in a ketogenic diet.
I have no concerns at all.
Dr Oz is.... questionable. Did he give any reason that a ketogenic diet (of veggies, nuts, seeds, meats, seafood, eggs and dairy) should be limited? About the only reason I can think of that a ketogenic diet is harmful is when one has familial hypercholesterolemia.
This sight has a great launch pad with more info for those who want to learn more.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group24 -
I tried it for a month. It killed my appetite but I felt generally unwell doing it. I concentrate on quality carbohydrate sources now, all wholegrain and veg. Try it and see how you feel, we all react differently to these things it seems6
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I’ve been on it since mid February and love the food and find it easy to follow, and it got me to my goal pretty quickly, but the first few weeks were hard. I think you need to really research any diet before jumping into it. I would never recommend it for everyone. I think it’s great if you gained weight in the first place due to things like mindless or stress eating as the high protein and fat reduces hunger and cravings.9
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I am a month in
not losing weight fast (after the fluid went) about 1/2 to 1 pound a week but I feel so much better and am so much healthier
just had my annual bloods - I am off cholesterol meds and blood pressure meds
my resting heart rate has gone down and the biggest improvement for me is the lack of arthritic pain - just the odd niggle so now off the oral meds and just a gel for when needed
mental clarity - well I have bipolar and seem to be in a good place at the moment but that could be co-incidence only time will tell
try it I would give it a month and then make your choice - I am staying on it14 -
Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I’ve been on it since mid February and love the food and find it easy to follow, and it got me to my goal pretty quickly, but the first few weeks were hard. I think you need to really research any diet before jumping into it. I would never recommend it for everyone. I think it’s great if you gained weight in the first place due to things like mindless or stress eating as the high protein and fat reduces hunger and cravings.
Not necessarily. Everyone has different satiety triggers.
For example, I don't find fat satiating at all, because I'm a volume eater and a fat-based diet consumes waaaaay too many of my daily calories in far too little substance. So, basically, not enough bang for the caloric buck for me.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I’ve been on it since mid February and love the food and find it easy to follow, and it got me to my goal pretty quickly, but the first few weeks were hard. I think you need to really research any diet before jumping into it. I would never recommend it for everyone. I think it’s great if you gained weight in the first place due to things like mindless or stress eating as the high protein and fat reduces hunger and cravings.
Not necessarily. Everyone has different satiety triggers.
For example, I don't find fat satiating at all, because I'm a volume eater and a fat-based diet consumes waaaaay too many of my daily calories in far too little substance. So, basically, not enough bang for the caloric buck for me.
Yep, fat does nothing for me but carbs keep me feeling full for hours. Everyone really is different 11 -
First and foremost you should understand that Dr. Oz is a f-ing quack who makes money hawking questionable products to gullible people.
Numerous studies have shown keto is safe and effective in long term.20 -
Also on the "pay no attention To Oz" bandwagon. If you have no specific health problem Keto in just one of many diets that can result in weight loss. In study after study there has been no metabolic advantage shown for keto. Some recent studies indicate there is some benefit with hunger signalling and cravings.
If craving carbs and feeling hungry is a struggle for you, keto is something to consider. If not, base your diet on preference, compliance and sustainability.17 -
I did it for 4 weeks n it killed me just about no energy, the shakes, bad heads, mood swings. Just wasn't for me, doesn't say it won't help other ppl5
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I did it for 4 weeks n it killed me just about no energy, the shakes, bad heads, mood swings. Just wasn't for me, doesn't say it won't help other ppl
Those symptoms are probably mainly due to an electrolyte imbalance from not replacing the sodium lost along with the early water weight. What you described is a pretty classic case of low sodium.8 -
I started doing keto may 5 at 228 and i have lost 24 lbr im very happy. I just learn how to make keto frendly ice cream. Love it.10
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cherelle75 wrote: »Hello All,
Hope everyone's having a fab Friday!! Someone mentioned the Keto lifestyle to me recently. Has anyone tried it or is on it and is willing to share their thoughts and/or concerns? I saw a segment of Dr. Oz where he stated his cardiac concerns & suggested to be on it no longer than 90 days. And then transition to a more sustainable less health adverse lifestyle. However, I hear the positives beyond weight loss as well: increase mental clarity, better sleep, skin/hair improvement, etc.
Keto is fine.. even long term..
Also, Dr. Oz is a surgeon... He has no formal education in nutrition. Take advice from him or most other doctors are the equivalent of taking heart advice from a dermatologist.
Alsl, those benefits are pretty much the same as every other diet out there. Often its driven by fst loss and eating a more nutrient dense foods. Its amazing what the body does when you eat adequate nutrients.14 -
I tried it because it is supposed to be good for the insulin resistance of PCOS. I gave up after only four weeks though, because I missed things like oatmeal and bananas.
I know, not much willpower there. But, the changes I make, well I want to make ones that will last my lifetime. Keto was just too big of a change for me - everyone is different though.
However, I've found that if I keep my carbs at only 35% of my daily caloric consumption, then I will lose weight fairly consistently.
In contrast, if I stay within my daily calorie target--but eat more than 100g of carbohydrates in a day, I hardly lose any weight at all.
Where I wasn't able to stick with the ultra-low-carb of Keto, I am able to maintain a lower-carb diet of 35% carbs.
Also, I think maybe I could only maintain a keto diet long-term, if my partner was doing it with me.5 -
cherelle75 wrote: »Hello All,
Hope everyone's having a fab Friday!! Someone mentioned the Keto lifestyle to me recently. Has anyone tried it or is on it and is willing to share their thoughts and/or concerns? I saw a segment of Dr. Oz where he stated his cardiac concerns & suggested to be on it no longer than 90 days. And then transition to a more sustainable less health adverse lifestyle. However, I hear the positives beyond weight loss as well: increase mental clarity, better sleep, skin/hair improvement, etc.
Keto diets have been around for almost a century.
If followed correctly, it is as healthy and optimal a diet model as anything else you could choose.
Like with all diet models - Calorie counting /moderation, Paleo, Clean eating, Pescatarian, Vegetarian, Low Carb High Fat, High Carb Low Fat not one of them will be ideal for everyone to follow, so you need to find one that is the most comfortable and easiest to adhere to.
Good luck with keto, hope it works for you.15 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I’ve been on it since mid February and love the food and find it easy to follow, and it got me to my goal pretty quickly, but the first few weeks were hard. I think you need to really research any diet before jumping into it. I would never recommend it for everyone. I think it’s great if you gained weight in the first place due to things like mindless or stress eating as the high protein and fat reduces hunger and cravings.
Not necessarily. Everyone has different satiety triggers.
For example, I don't find fat satiating at all, because I'm a volume eater and a fat-based diet consumes waaaaay too many of my daily calories in far too little substance. So, basically, not enough bang for the caloric buck for me.
OK. Glad you found what works for you. Obviously we are all different. I would bet the people who have tried keto and found it sustainable do so largely because the do find fat satisfying. I find the fat makes a very large plate of salad very filling...or add 1/3 cup of coconut milk to a big bowl of riced cauliflower and it’s like eating twice as much pasta as I would have eaten when I was on Weight Watchers (a carefully measured cup uncooked). But I think you’re right that we’re all different and it’s important to choose an approach based on your own needs and after doing research.9 -
I did it for 4 weeks n it killed me just about no energy, the shakes, bad heads, mood swings. Just wasn't for me, doesn't say it won't help other ppl
The main thing that causes people to feel bad on keto is electrolytes, especially in the beginning when you are peeing out a lot of water weight.
Most of the time you can do this through diet, but iIf you do heavy exercise with a lot of sweating, then you need to supplement electrolytes or you will feel like crap.
General rules of thumb:
Shakes = Need magnesium
Cramps = Need potassium
Headache = Need sodium
A general electrolyte imbalance = low energy
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I’ve been on it since mid February and love the food and find it easy to follow, and it got me to my goal pretty quickly, but the first few weeks were hard. I think you need to really research any diet before jumping into it. I would never recommend it for everyone. I think it’s great if you gained weight in the first place due to things like mindless or stress eating as the high protein and fat reduces hunger and cravings.
Not necessarily. Everyone has different satiety triggers.
For example, I don't find fat satiating at all, because I'm a volume eater and a fat-based diet consumes waaaaay too many of my daily calories in far too little substance. So, basically, not enough bang for the caloric buck for me.
Yep, fat does nothing for me but carbs keep me feeling full for hours. Everyone really is different
Fat has a high calorie density, so if you are used to grazing all day and eating bulky meals to "get full" then you will definitely notice that the portion sizes are smaller.
You need to learn how to differentiate between your body telling you that it is no longer hungry (i.e.,satiation) and the sensation of having a "full stomach", because they are not the same thing.
For example, you can eat a large head of lettuce, which is very bulky, but has next to nothing in nutritional value.
Your stomach will be "full" to the point you could not possibly eat another bite, but your body will not be satiated because you only consumed ~100 calories.
Conversely, to get the same 100 calories you would only need one tablespoon of butter. You will have higher satiation in terms of hormonal responses to the consumption of fat, even though your stomach is nowhere near "full" in terms of being stuffed to capacity.
Thus, if you are used to grazing on bulky meals then you might think the much smaller, denser keto meals are not enough to "get full", when they are actually the same amount of calories (or more) and have a higher degree of satiation in terms of how it will be metabolized.
It is what is on the plate, not the size of the plate that matters.
That is a difference in thinking, not a difference in biology.
So to be clear, everyone may have different habits, preferences, and things they are used to eating, but we all have pretty much the same hormonal and biological responses and biology is not malleable subject to opinion.23 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I’ve been on it since mid February and love the food and find it easy to follow, and it got me to my goal pretty quickly, but the first few weeks were hard. I think you need to really research any diet before jumping into it. I would never recommend it for everyone. I think it’s great if you gained weight in the first place due to things like mindless or stress eating as the high protein and fat reduces hunger and cravings.
Not necessarily. Everyone has different satiety triggers.
For example, I don't find fat satiating at all, because I'm a volume eater and a fat-based diet consumes waaaaay too many of my daily calories in far too little substance. So, basically, not enough bang for the caloric buck for me.
Yep, fat does nothing for me but carbs keep me feeling full for hours. Everyone really is different
Fat has a high calorie density, so if you are used to grazing all day and eating bulky meals to "get full" then you will definitely notice that the portion sizes are smaller.
You need to learn how to differentiate between your body telling you that it is no longer hungry (i.e.,satiation) and the sensation of having a "full stomach", because they are not the same thing.
For example, you can eat a large head of lettuce, which is very bulky, but has next to nothing in nutritional value.
Your stomach will be "full" to the point you could not possibly eat another bite, but your body will not be satiated because you only consumed ~100 calories.
Conversely, to get the same 100 calories you would only need one tablespoon of butter. You will have higher satiation in terms of hormonal responses to the consumption of fat, even though your stomach is nowhere near "full" in terms of being stuffed to capacity.
Thus, if you are used to grazing on bulky meals then you might think the much smaller, denser keto meals are not enough to "get full", when they are actually the same amount of calories (or more) and have a higher degree of satiation in terms of how it will be metabolized.
It is what is on the plate, not the size of the plate that matters.
That is a difference in thinking, not a difference in biology.
So to be clear, everyone may have different habits, preferences, and things they are used to eating, but we all have pretty much the same hormonal and biological responses and biology is not malleable subject to opinion.
Yes...but...on keto you can still eat the large head of lettuce, as long as you offset it with some fat. A large plate of arugula is ten calories and only one net carb; an ounce of cheese will balance that and make it keto. You could make it a HUGE plate for another half-ounce of cheese. A green salad with some cucumbers, mushrooms, and a glug of full-fat dressing can easily be keto. You don’t have to sacrifice low-calorie volume; you just have to make sure the high-calorie foods you pair it with are low-carb.
I make a soup that has so much volume I struggle to eat a 500-calorie bowl of it. The bulk comes from riced vegetables and spinach, while most of the calories come from the reduced chicken broth and coconut milk I use as a base. Once I was low on calories and had two servings left in the fridge, so I tried to eat them both at once and thought my stomach might literally burst.
It doesn’t have to be either-or. Even on keto.11 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I’ve been on it since mid February and love the food and find it easy to follow, and it got me to my goal pretty quickly, but the first few weeks were hard. I think you need to really research any diet before jumping into it. I would never recommend it for everyone. I think it’s great if you gained weight in the first place due to things like mindless or stress eating as the high protein and fat reduces hunger and cravings.
Not necessarily. Everyone has different satiety triggers.
For example, I don't find fat satiating at all, because I'm a volume eater and a fat-based diet consumes waaaaay too many of my daily calories in far too little substance. So, basically, not enough bang for the caloric buck for me.
Yep, fat does nothing for me but carbs keep me feeling full for hours. Everyone really is different
Fat has a high calorie density, so if you are used to grazing all day and eating bulky meals to "get full" then you will definitely notice that the portion sizes are smaller.
You need to learn how to differentiate between your body telling you that it is no longer hungry (i.e.,satiation) and the sensation of having a "full stomach", because they are not the same thing.
For example, you can eat a large head of lettuce, which is very bulky, but has next to nothing in nutritional value.
Your stomach will be "full" to the point you could not possibly eat another bite, but your body will not be satiated because you only consumed ~100 calories.
Conversely, to get the same 100 calories you would only need one tablespoon of butter. You will have higher satiation in terms of hormonal responses to the consumption of fat, even though your stomach is nowhere near "full" in terms of being stuffed to capacity.
Thus, if you are used to grazing on bulky meals then you might think the much smaller, denser keto meals are not enough to "get full", when they are actually the same amount of calories (or more) and have a higher degree of satiation in terms of how it will be metabolized.
It is what is on the plate, not the size of the plate that matters.
That is a difference in thinking, not a difference in biology.
So to be clear, everyone may have different habits, preferences, and things they are used to eating, but we all have pretty much the same hormonal and biological responses and biology is not malleable subject to opinion.
So you're saying if you're not eating keto and don't feel satied with your meals it's because you're eating too many carbs, but if you eat keto and don't feel satied, it's all in your head??20 -
SirSmurfalot wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »Running_and_Coffee wrote: »I’ve been on it since mid February and love the food and find it easy to follow, and it got me to my goal pretty quickly, but the first few weeks were hard. I think you need to really research any diet before jumping into it. I would never recommend it for everyone. I think it’s great if you gained weight in the first place due to things like mindless or stress eating as the high protein and fat reduces hunger and cravings.
Not necessarily. Everyone has different satiety triggers.
For example, I don't find fat satiating at all, because I'm a volume eater and a fat-based diet consumes waaaaay too many of my daily calories in far too little substance. So, basically, not enough bang for the caloric buck for me.
Yep, fat does nothing for me but carbs keep me feeling full for hours. Everyone really is different
Fat has a high calorie density, so if you are used to grazing all day and eating bulky meals to "get full" then you will definitely notice that the portion sizes are smaller.
You need to learn how to differentiate between your body telling you that it is no longer hungry (i.e.,satiation) and the sensation of having a "full stomach", because they are not the same thing.
For example, you can eat a large head of lettuce, which is very bulky, but has next to nothing in nutritional value.
Your stomach will be "full" to the point you could not possibly eat another bite, but your body will not be satiated because you only consumed ~100 calories.
Conversely, to get the same 100 calories you would only need one tablespoon of butter. You will have higher satiation in terms of hormonal responses to the consumption of fat, even though your stomach is nowhere near "full" in terms of being stuffed to capacity.
Thus, if you are used to grazing on bulky meals then you might think the much smaller, denser keto meals are not enough to "get full", when they are actually the same amount of calories (or more) and have a higher degree of satiation in terms of how it will be metabolized.
It is what is on the plate, not the size of the plate that matters.
That is a difference in thinking, not a difference in biology.
So to be clear, everyone may have different habits, preferences, and things they are used to eating, but we all have pretty much the same hormonal and biological responses and biology is not malleable subject to opinion.
What you state is opinion. And the satiation studies don't show universal conclusions reagrding fat or carbs. This is different than the plethera of studies showing the benefits of proteins and fiber.
I am definitely not a grazer but i am a volume eater. My average meal is probably 2-3x larger in size and often calories than most people. I know i definitely eat larger than anyone i know.9
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