Support that Doesn't Focus on Challenges but on Relationship

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  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    edited July 2018
    @campfirequeen1 Yay! You're home. There's no place like home. There's no place like home.

    Kevin-2.jpg[img]Crank up the band, let's get this party started. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gS6NucKt20[/url][/img]
  • allison8668
    allison8668 Posts: 885 Member
    Good Morning. Thought I’d stop by and say hello! My name’s Allison.

    It’s another nice weather day where I am. Going to hit the pool again in a bit. A few years ago, I would go lap swimming at the Y. I had bought goggles and ear plugs. I can’t for the life of me find them. I don’t know where I put them. I hate that. They will turn up one day - hopefully before I cave and buy new ones.

    Sometimes I miss going to the Y - because they have the pool and also fitness classes. Although, the pool lanes would sometimes get busy, and we’d all have to share a lane with someone. One time, I had to share with 2 other people. It sucked. I like to have my own lane. I don’t want to worry about crashing into someone else.

    I dream about getting a job at the Y - and imagining that they have free memberships for employees. Haha. I don’t know if they do, but I can imagine it.

    I had planned on making pineapple muffins yesterday - but I forgot to bring my muffin tin. We’re staying at our summer place this weekend. I found a decent pan to use - so I made a pineapple crumb cake instead. It came out great.
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    Right back at you, Allison. Swimming, swimming, swimming. I like to stay in my own lane. It's the best on these hot summer days. Our rec center had employee perks but someone complained and now they don't. No free lunch, no free membership.

    I stay in my own lane, keep my eyes on my own plate and tracking keeps me from meandering too far outside of my normal river banks. I find writing feelings, fears, hopes and general thoughts on just about everything is an invaluable tool. Plus, it will keep your hands and mind busy during some inevitable rough patches on the pathway to overall health and well being.
  • dnunny70
    dnunny70 Posts: 411 Member
    Happy Sunday!

    Been doing ok. Went for dr. Appointment check ups. The scale hasn’t moved, but down a dress size.

    Had to up my thyroid medication—I have had hypothyroidism for 19 years.

    Getting ready to go on vacation—my 30th high school reunion! I will make good food choices!
  • allison8668
    allison8668 Posts: 885 Member
    @Mari22na I totally agree with you about the writing of things ! Very beneficial. It's amazing how many times I look back at something I wrote when I was in an off state of mind - and then find it no longer applies and I feel so differently.

    @dnunny70 Congrats on being down a dress size! I'm hypothyroid, too - my med's been the same dosage for a while. Enjoy your vacay!
  • campfirequeen1
    campfirequeen1 Posts: 317 Member
    Hi @allison8668 and welcome to the group. Hey yeah girl, I dream too! Yes, I love the swim lanes and because I'm retired I can usually get there at a time when they aren't crowded. The indoor pool has five or six lanes and the outdoor pool has two or three.
    I have hypothyroid medication too, but I have to keep the dose really low or I have GI problems from it, and I have to keep my sodium intake low due to Congestive Heart failure, and that just makes the hypothyroidism worse, so it's sort of a balancing act for me. Thankfully I'm pretty good at doing that thanks to this site and the logging of nutrients being so easy!
    @dnunny70 Congrats. I love those non scale victories!!! A dress size is a really good loss.
    Hope everyone has a great Sunday! I'm going to head in and take a nap before I head to the pool.
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    @allison8668
    I'm irrigating outside and watching Fried Green Tomatoes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yedsblplSMg[/url]
  • VUA21
    VUA21 Posts: 2,072 Member
    I don't like most of the challenges either, or the competitiveness. My only competition is me. Can I do pull-ups, can I run a 10k... Nope, well back to the gym I go and continue to eat at a deficit.
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    edited July 2018
    I'm challenge and diet free. It's taken over a decade to get here and I'm not going back.

    Why I can hardly stand to read about a new book that promises the secret keys to solving everyone's issues with food and weight. Some of these new eating protocol books being touted are a downright cover for their own disordered eating. They promise everyone the moon but secretly they're only eating one bowl of food aday or have dialed food down into something to be despised. They may Chew and Spit, take 2 or 3 bites and throw the rest in the trash. That's a code that those with disordered eating live by. All of it will get you nowhere good. That's not ninja thinking.

    Common horse sense is alot like deodorant. Those who need it the most seldom use it. That can result in more stinkin' thinkin'. Leading everyone down the primrose path to nowhere. We all have to give ourselves permission to do our own thinking. Use our heads besides something to part our ears with. We are all in this together and when we put our heads together, there ain't nothin' we can't do. There's safety in numbers and boundaries.

    That's why I like this joint. You've got some folks who've experimented and explored. They know the difference between horse sense and horsesheet. That's pretty major. I've been duped by diets and I'm not going down that trail again.

    And now, I have to have a lil tune because that's just the way I tick.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_45jbE5_Y8[/url]
  • campfirequeen1
    campfirequeen1 Posts: 317 Member
    edited July 2018
    Hey Mari22na is that you riding that beautiful mule? A town down south of Nashville has Mule Day every year and I love to go there and see them. They are so beautiful.

    @VUA21 I think even I could make the Turtle Running Team! Welcome!
  • allison8668
    allison8668 Posts: 885 Member
    Hey Everyone - It's Monday. What's on the menu for this week? (doesn't have to be a food menu.)

    I'm going to concentrate on eating SLOWLY. And, sitting down while eating.
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    Good decision, Allison.

    I'm headed into town for some romaine lettuce. I was leery of the romaine ptomaine and truth be told, I still am. So maybe I'll buy some butter lettuce in the fancy plastic clamshell. I didn't eat much fresh produce while I was camping out and that's on my agenda, today.

    A shout out to CampfireQueen 1. You know that Steamboat Geyser has erupted for the 11th time. It's always been very sporadic throughout the decades and very unpredictable. It erupted on Friday and lasted for 32 minutes. It's so rare that hardly anyone has ever captured it. A beauty to behold.

    There's been so much fear mongering about the "Jewel" but almost all of it is malarkey. I'm very happy about Steamboat. It means the underground plumbing is working perfectly. It's good to let a little steam and water off now and again. There are all kinds of social media sites dedicated to daily fear mongering and they turn my stomach. I'm not afraid and there's nothing to fear.

    Old Faithful. She's faithful. She's older now and she lags behind about 10-15 minutes but she puts on her best every single day. Fixes her face and puts on a show for the masses. Her plumbing is working just fine. I've studied geology and seismology. In the spirit of relationship we're sharing here, I want to say that the only time it would be of any concern whatsoever, if all of the underground plumbing were to suddenly shut down, that's the time you could raise an eyebrow. But that has never happened since recorded history. If Old Faithful were to quit being faithful, if Morning Glory were to drain and the mudpots stopped bubbling, along with all of the geysers and hot springs...then we could surmise a thing or two. But everything is working perfectly and in order. The underground plumbing is healthy and Steamboat, she's a beauty. She's simply clearing her throat so she can sing like a Thunderbird.

    Fear is contagious and it spreads like a wildfire. Don't be scared. Be prepared.

    Shake all of your fears off, today. Brush them off your shoulders. It's good to keep your eyes wide open and observe everything around you. You have to if you're going out into the wilderness. You learn to listen and not be distracted. You can't walk with your head down and be texting with your thumbs all the livelong day. No, siree. You listen to breaking twigs behind and before you. It's good to keep your senses all sharpened UP.

    Someone happened to be there at the right time in the right place and caught the 11th eruption of Steamboat. Here's a slice of heaven on earth that's rarer than rare.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZoDFbO84OE[/url]
  • allison8668
    allison8668 Posts: 885 Member
    @Mari22na Thanks for sharing that video - it was awesome to watch.
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    @allison8668 I think so, too. This is the only time I've witnessed Steamboat in my lifetime. The power is out of this world. I was thinking, what would they do if something like that happened in NYC. If a manhole cover blew off and another Steamboat erupted 300 ft in the air. Who ya gonna call?

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  • allison8668
    allison8668 Posts: 885 Member
    @Mari22na LOL - Love your thinking !
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    @allison8668 Let's keep tooling along, lurve your new pix.

    I think self-sabotage is the the most difficult part of weight releasing. It's a sneaky snake. It morphs into so many forms. If you've always been a comfort eater it means staying out of that comfort zone for the rest of your life. That takes true grit.

    I used to think that taking tiny steps for tiny feet worked but I don't believe that anymore. It's putting blinders on the horse or mule. Blinders, autopilot will get you to your immediate destination but you've got to take the leap and go BIG.

    Start thinking waaay into the future about the rest of your life. There's only choices and consequences. There's no such thing as the finish line for your overall health and well being. Every step of the way, each and every day it needs to be in the back of your mind.

    There's the huge rationalization to think you're fixed when you reach your optimum setpoint. That's the mule part of the brain. Taking the path of least resistance. Not lazy but super smart.

    I have ridden that merry-go-round with weight loss and rebound. Every day we welcome back repeat customers. It's the #1 reason I'm here.

    Eating it all back takes a fraction of the time that it took to release it. There's something outstanding about wildlife...they don't become obese or suffer with disordered eating. That only happens to domesticated pets when humans are their caretakers.

    There's much to learn from the wildlife. They operate on circadian rhythms. Even the cricket sings his little song warning that winter is on the way when the fall of the year is here. Critters know things that we do not. They have senses that are fully operational. We do, too, but many of our mechanisms have become broken.

    So it is with broken sugar metabolisms due to disease or myriads of medical conditions, genetics and environmental cues that we march on wanting to fix ourselves. We really want to reach for happiness every day because that's just the way we tick. We choose to embrace all the healthy.

    We choose moderation and balance because we don't want to be caught between completely overreaching and totally underachieving. We choose can't fool myself realism. We want that sweet spot between gung-ho and ho-hum.

    So let's keep fighting for it. Can't coast on your laurels or good looks, that will only get you so far. Take the leap. Bare your soul. Go BIG.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fipsSxPrqs4[/url]

  • allison8668
    allison8668 Posts: 885 Member
    @Mari22na Thanks !

    That’s true - there is no finish line. You have to keep at it every day even after reaching your goal. I have about 16 pounds to my goal weight. As I’m getting closer, I’m realizing that even when I get there, I’m not going to be happy. Being a certain weight isn’t going to change my life situations. Right now, it’s something that I can do and accomplish. And, it feels good having something to be successful at. I think for me, that it’s going to be kind of a downer once I get there. LOL.

    That’s why I’m starting to think about what I’m going to do differently once I do get there. And, maybe those things will be something to look forward to. I’m actually starting to implement these things. One is eat my meals more slowly. Another thing is do more cooking from scratch. And, on the fitness side, do more strength training and yoga. So there are lots of things to still continue to do. I guess it won’t be a downer. It’ll be satisfaction and then more things to achieve.

    Even though wild animals might not have weight problems - I’d still rather be human and have all the choices and comforts available to me that there are. I still think it's interesting to learn about wild animals.

    And, yeah, that self sabotage is a toughie. I think it’s power is less effective the more you know and understand yourself.
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    @allison8668

    I like that, Allison. Here's to being better and getting stronger with connection. Onward and upward.
  • trecey2
    trecey2 Posts: 6 Member
    My name is LaTrice and I'm returning to MFP after some time away and some pounds gained. I'm open to any new accountability partners(friends) along the way. Please feel free to request me as a friend and I will do the same. Good Luck to all and we can do this!
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    @trecey2 Hello LaTrice. Some of us have been here for a few years and others are returning. We're all at various stages.
  • chulipa
    chulipa Posts: 650 Member
    Hi holly you sound a lot like me in 2016 I lost 100lbs and then had knee surgery and then a bad car accident which left 3 fractures in that knee and torn my achilles and I gain about 80lbs back have been working at it agian for about 2 months have lost 30lbs. I am still trying to get my achilles to heal right and when it does I need 2 knee replacements so I understand and im 54yrs if you would like to add me to your friends list
  • allison8668
    allison8668 Posts: 885 Member
    Morning everyone ! Any interesting fitness / nutrition plans for the day? Or any other plans?

    I'm 10% plans, 90% impulsive - so I never know what I'm going to wind up doing.

    My breakfast possibilities are make waffles out of the protein pancake mix, have some egg thing, have toast with yummy butter ... ???

    If I vacuum downstairs - I can do yoga :smiley: But will I? Who knows - I'll have to check back in later !
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
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  • allison8668
    allison8668 Posts: 885 Member
    @Mari22na Nice quote !
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    edited July 2018
    Only 5% of dieters are maintaining a major weight loss at the 5 year mark. It's 7% for those with WLS at the 5 year mark.

    "It is a depressing article of faith among the overweight and those who treat them that 95 percent of people who lose weight regain it -- and sometimes more -- within a few months or years.
    That statistic has been quoted widely over the last four decades, in Congressional hearings, diet books, research papers and seminars.

    In San Diego County, weight-loss and metabolism specialists said these diets really can help people find a successful path to weight loss through healthier eating and increased physical activity. But they also cautioned that on their own, diets are no lasting fix.

    Many people need ongoing support from dietitians and other weight-control experts to make immediate dieting victories permanent, as well as to handle the body’s genetically driven mechanisms that automatically switch on in a bid to preserve every pound of weight a dieter tries to shed.

    The word “diet” itself suggests impermanence, noted Dr. Eduardo Grunvald with the UC San Diego Weight Management Program. That mindset, he said, is often the biggest barrier to achieving truly sustainable success.

    “You can do any diet you want, but if it only lasts for three months, then it’s really not much good. Weight loss is really a behavioral issue, not a nutrition issue,” Grunvald said.

    Dr. Ken Fujioka, director of the Nutrition and Metabolic Research Center at Scripps Clinic, said the best diet is the one a person likes enough to stick with it for the long run.

    “If you think of diet as a four-letter word where you’re going to grind it out and eventually go back to the way you were eating before you started, that’s going to be a recipe for failure. When you look at people who successfully maintain weight loss, they do make permanent lifestyle changes,” Fujioka said.

    Weight loss is relatively easy for some individuals while seemingly impossible for others — even when they have the same level of self-discipline and dedication. Also, maintaining weight loss can be much more difficult if a person initially packed on a large number of pounds.

    Stephanie Metzner, a dietitian with the Sharp Rees-Stealy medical group in San Diego County, said diets and diet lists are all well and good — as long as there is an understanding that sustainable weight loss is not a fast process.

    “Weight management is a skill set that we view like learning to play the piano. It takes practice and it takes over-practice,” she said.

    At the end of the day, she said, Rees-Stealy counsels its weight-loss patients that their journey should take at least a year. And some will need to come back for counseling indefinitely.

    “For many of our patients, unhealthy lifestyle habits have existed for many decades, and changing them can be really daunting,” Metzner said. “Some people have those new habits in place after one year, and we have some people who have been in our program for 20 years.”

  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    edited July 2018
    I only care about the long run and waaaay down the road. I don't give a bodiddly about anything else when it comes to maintaining a major weight releasing. I don't care about diets, food hacks or food resets. Just show me the money. Show me those who are still standing, intact after 5 years. I am interested in what you have to say about everything and your long term success. I want to hear about all of your hard work and true grit.

    I call it returning back to my original factory settings. That point in time when diet, a four letter word, was not even in my vocabulary. Diets are a total mind warp.

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  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    Slap your dollar on the barrelhead and show me the money.

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  • allison8668
    allison8668 Posts: 885 Member
    Mari22na wrote: »
    Only 5% of dieters are maintaining a major weight loss at the 5 year mark. It's 7% for those with WLS at the 5 year mark.

    "It is a depressing article of faith among the overweight and those who treat them that 95 percent of people who lose weight regain it -- and sometimes more -- within a few months or years.
    That statistic has been quoted widely over the last four decades, in Congressional hearings, diet books, research papers and seminars.

    In San Diego County, weight-loss and metabolism specialists said these diets really can help people find a successful path to weight loss through healthier eating and increased physical activity. But they also cautioned that on their own, diets are no lasting fix.

    Many people need ongoing support from dietitians and other weight-control experts to make immediate dieting victories permanent, as well as to handle the body’s genetically driven mechanisms that automatically switch on in a bid to preserve every pound of weight a dieter tries to shed.

    The word “diet” itself suggests impermanence, noted Dr. Eduardo Grunvald with the UC San Diego Weight Management Program. That mindset, he said, is often the biggest barrier to achieving truly sustainable success.

    “You can do any diet you want, but if it only lasts for three months, then it’s really not much good. Weight loss is really a behavioral issue, not a nutrition issue,” Grunvald said.

    Dr. Ken Fujioka, director of the Nutrition and Metabolic Research Center at Scripps Clinic, said the best diet is the one a person likes enough to stick with it for the long run.

    “If you think of diet as a four-letter word where you’re going to grind it out and eventually go back to the way you were eating before you started, that’s going to be a recipe for failure. When you look at people who successfully maintain weight loss, they do make permanent lifestyle changes,” Fujioka said.

    Weight loss is relatively easy for some individuals while seemingly impossible for others — even when they have the same level of self-discipline and dedication. Also, maintaining weight loss can be much more difficult if a person initially packed on a large number of pounds.

    Stephanie Metzner, a dietitian with the Sharp Rees-Stealy medical group in San Diego County, said diets and diet lists are all well and good — as long as there is an understanding that sustainable weight loss is not a fast process.

    “Weight management is a skill set that we view like learning to play the piano. It takes practice and it takes over-practice,” she said.

    At the end of the day, she said, Rees-Stealy counsels its weight-loss patients that their journey should take at least a year. And some will need to come back for counseling indefinitely.

    “For many of our patients, unhealthy lifestyle habits have existed for many decades, and changing them can be really daunting,” Metzner said. “Some people have those new habits in place after one year, and we have some people who have been in our program for 20 years.”

    Right on!