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That Keto is so hot right now
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happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
Yes, this has been pointed out many times. Some find fats satisfying. Many do not. It's like a subtle form of propaganda. Trying to speak it into reality. For those that find fats satisfying, great. But many do not.17 -
happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
Yes, this has been pointed out many times. Some find fats satisfying. Many do not. It's like a subtle form of propaganda. Trying to speak it into reality. For those that find fats satisfying, great. But many do not.
Yea, I don't get that. I need carbs, I need volume in my meals which you can't get with high fatty foods. We're all wired differently, I for example prefer eating every 3-4 hours than do something like Intermittent fasting....yet for some, it's the opposite, they don't mind not eating for 16 hours so that they can have 2 big meals. Saying that keto makes you less hungry is false, it all comes down how we are wired.10 -
Fung's is a snake oil salesman? Like Ornish,Pritikin, Atkins,Dukkan and every other doctor who wrote a book about the diets they are successfully using to treat their patients?
Here is a staunch low-carb/keto advocate with diabetes who writes in detail why Fung is a scammy snake oil salesman of the highest order:
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/20/fung-us-among-us/
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/24/what-the-fung/
[ETA:] Also, if anybody is interested in what the evidence-based nutrition community thinks of Fung, here's what happened when he joined the International Society of Sports Nutrition's Facebook page to pimp his podcasts with Taubes, Ludwig, Noakes, etc. (warning for NSFW language): https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheISSN/permalink/10154830542402791/
Those are two posts by a guy who went on and on about how he reversed his T2D using a LCHF diet (as Fung advocates although he did not appear to have fasted). I found the post hard to understand because he is complaining about Fung while practicing the advice that Fung has given: cut carbs which reduces BG which reduces insulin needs.
He ranted about Fung's first video post, mainly about at around 19 minutes he goes into one patient;s history. That patient was overweight and on insulin. The patient started fasting (it was unclear if he chose to do low carb too - not all are willing to do that) and lost weight (over 40 lbs). His BG started falling and he stopped taking insulin.
It appears the blogger's main rant is that the patient's A1C went up around 0.3, from about 6.4 to 6.8. I have no idea what the time frame was but it looked like it was about 6 months, and the A1C rose only in the last few weeks. The blogger was upset that Fung accepted an A1C that high. He thinks patients should only come off of insulin after they achieve normal BG... With an unmedicated BG of 6.5-6.8, the need for insulin is questionable.
I agree that the A1C is not ideal, but it isn't diabetic, and I can't imagine ANY doctor prescribing insulin for a 0.3 rise in A1C when BG is still below 7 and the patient is steadily losing weight. The guy's liver is probably still pumping out too much glucose. I bet if he took some metformin for a few months, BG would be lower. OR if the patient would eat LCHF, BG would be lower. Who knows what the patient's choice was though. Maybe the rise was caused by stress or lack of sleep or something else.
So, one blogger's poor opinion of Fung based on how he handled the treatment (not medicating) of one patient, who was partially following his protocol, with some success, is why Fung is a snake oil salesman?
I did not listen to the podcast that was linked in the facebook group. I'm surprised the International Society of Sports Nutrition found diets for diabetics to be relevant to their lives... or maybe they didn't and that was a contributing factor to their disdain?
I like some of Fun'gs ideas. I don't agree with all of it. But his ideas do help his targeted audience: over weight, T2Ds. All you have shown me is that other people do not agree with his ideas. That doesn't make him a snake oil salesman or scam artist.21 -
Fung's is a snake oil salesman? Like Ornish,Pritikin, Atkins,Dukkan and every other doctor who wrote a book about the diets they are successfully using to treat their patients?
Here is a staunch low-carb/keto advocate with diabetes who writes in detail why Fung is a scammy snake oil salesman of the highest order:
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/20/fung-us-among-us/
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/24/what-the-fung/
[ETA:] Also, if anybody is interested in what the evidence-based nutrition community thinks of Fung, here's what happened when he joined the International Society of Sports Nutrition's Facebook page to pimp his podcasts with Taubes, Ludwig, Noakes, etc. (warning for NSFW language): https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheISSN/permalink/10154830542402791/
Thanks for that, I just got sucked down and huge Facebook rabbit hole (it was fun!)1 -
brneydgrlie wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »Granted, Wikipedia is not Gospel, but the following is quoted from there. I may be mistaken about what I said regarding "whole grains", but SAD carbs are really quite high...
The default macro split on MFP is 50% carbs, 30% protein, 20% fat. Many people have had great success losing weight and hugely improving their health using that macro combination. For an even more extreme example, Google "Twinkie Diet". A professor lost considerable weight and showed vast improvement in his metabolic/health markers while eating a diet largely composed of what people commonly refer to as "junk food".
Carbs are not the evil bogeyman that keto advocates are making them out to be.
However 50% is quite high if you have PCOS or another medical issue related to insulin resistance.
Sure, but what percentage of the population have that medical issue? There will always be exceptions especially with all the people in this world.
I can't tell you about worldwide population, but according to the CDC, 8-10% of women in America have PCOS, 9.4% of the U.S. population (male and female) have diabetes, and 84.1 million people have prediabetes.
Prediabetes is a risk categorization - not a condition. This term has no medical meaning.8 -
happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
The list was actually posted by me, but the last bit (where I said that it differs for everyone -YMMV) was (accidentally?) removed when I was quoted. It was not written as a universal statement.
As an aside, it's possible that the weakness or fatigue you felt was from the electrolyte imbalance that accompanies lowering carbs. Most who lower carbs need about 2 tsp of salt a day.
I’m pretty sure the weakness was from not eating my brain and muscles’ fuel source of choice but thanks for the advice.14 -
happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
Yes, this has been pointed out many times. Some find fats satisfying. Many do not. It's like a subtle form of propaganda. Trying to speak it into reality. For those that find fats satisfying, great. But many do not.
I love fat, find it satiating, and am not a volume eater. I still wouldn't want to do keto. I probably eat a higher percentage of fat than most but find if my carbs dip below 100g/day for any sustained period of time I get very cranky
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brneydgrlie wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »Granted, Wikipedia is not Gospel, but the following is quoted from there. I may be mistaken about what I said regarding "whole grains", but SAD carbs are really quite high...
The default macro split on MFP is 50% carbs, 30% protein, 20% fat. Many people have had great success losing weight and hugely improving their health using that macro combination. For an even more extreme example, Google "Twinkie Diet". A professor lost considerable weight and showed vast improvement in his metabolic/health markers while eating a diet largely composed of what people commonly refer to as "junk food".
Carbs are not the evil bogeyman that keto advocates are making them out to be.
However 50% is quite high if you have PCOS or another medical issue related to insulin resistance.
Sure, but what percentage of the population have that medical issue? There will always be exceptions especially with all the people in this world.
I can't tell you about worldwide population, but according to the CDC, 8-10% of women in America have PCOS, 9.4% of the U.S. population (male and female) have diabetes, and 84.1 million people have prediabetes.
Prediabetes is a risk categorization - not a condition. This term has no medical meaning.
It's nonsense, but it sure gets used as a talking point.
I've even seen "statistics" where they include a range/number for the undiagnosed cases of prediabetes. If it's undiagnosed, that means they don't know about it, so how can they honestly put a number on that?11 -
I've been on a keto diet (Profile by Sanford) since the end of January & I'm down over 55 pounds. That & 9Round has worked for me, but it's not a hardcore keto (I've seen that keep their daily carbs in the double digit range). If I want to eat something, I will. It might be easier for someone like me, because I'm not a big fan of Italian food. I'm now in the second stage where I'm working towards fewer shakes & bars & more real food.
I also find that if I eat too few carbs one day, the next I will have huge carb cravings & can go off the rails easy if it's a day that I haven't prepared my meals.4 -
brneydgrlie wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »Granted, Wikipedia is not Gospel, but the following is quoted from there. I may be mistaken about what I said regarding "whole grains", but SAD carbs are really quite high...
The default macro split on MFP is 50% carbs, 30% protein, 20% fat. Many people have had great success losing weight and hugely improving their health using that macro combination. For an even more extreme example, Google "Twinkie Diet". A professor lost considerable weight and showed vast improvement in his metabolic/health markers while eating a diet largely composed of what people commonly refer to as "junk food".
Carbs are not the evil bogeyman that keto advocates are making them out to be.
However 50% is quite high if you have PCOS or another medical issue related to insulin resistance.
Sure, but what percentage of the population have that medical issue? There will always be exceptions especially with all the people in this world.
I can't tell you about worldwide population, but according to the CDC, 8-10% of women in America have PCOS, 9.4% of the U.S. population (male and female) have diabetes, and 84.1 million people have prediabetes.
Prediabetes is a risk categorization - not a condition. This term has no medical meaning.
It's nonsense, but it sure gets used as a talking point.
I've even seen "statistics" where they include a range/number for the undiagnosed cases of prediabetes. If it's undiagnosed, that means they don't know about it, so how can they honestly put a number on that?
I work in pharma and continually frustrated about this crap. It is meaningless. It was designed by authoritarians as a warning signal, but it does not warn anyone of anything. Just another excuse to prescribe drugs that don't address the root cause - eating less and moving more.
Note this is the only remedy to the curse of prediabetes - Eat less & move more.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
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happytree923 wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
The list was actually posted by me, but the last bit (where I said that it differs for everyone -YMMV) was (accidentally?) removed when I was quoted. It was not written as a universal statement.
As an aside, it's possible that the weakness or fatigue you felt was from the electrolyte imbalance that accompanies lowering carbs. Most who lower carbs need about 2 tsp of salt a day.
I’m pretty sure the weakness was from not eating my brain and muscles’ fuel source of choice but thanks for the advice.
It’s only the food of choice if it’s present in sufficient quantities and even then when it is in ample supply, exercising at extreme levels it’s not always the only source the brain reaches for.14 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
That and getting accosted on Facebook by old ladies because I like tomatoes...but they are horrible for me as are pretty much any vegetable or fruit outside of greens. When whole food veg and fruit become the "devil" things are out of hand.7 -
happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
Yes, this has been pointed out many times. Some find fats satisfying. Many do not. It's like a subtle form of propaganda. Trying to speak it into reality. For those that find fats satisfying, great. But many do not.
I love fat, find it satiating, and am not a volume eater. I still wouldn't want to do keto. I probably eat a higher percentage of fat than most but find if my carbs dip below 100g/day for any sustained period of time I get very cranky
Keto isn’t for everyone, that’s for sure, but it is definitely for many.
I personally like to keep my carbs around 100g to and I definitely like fat and protein ahead of carbs.
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Interesting point and question.
Keto is not going away because a "ketogenic diet" is not like any other "diet" out there, which normally proscribe what foods you can eat based on a variety of theories and in what amounts. "Keto" means being in a state of nutritional ketosis, which means that you are eating less than or equal to 20g of net carbs per day, and that your body has switched over from burning glycogen derived from carbohydrates (or sometimes protein) to burning ketone bodies, either from bodily or dietary fat.
This can occur in almost any diet accidentally on some days, and will result very quickly from fasting. But it doesn't imply a nutritional deficit - it doesn't necessarily restrict how much you eat. Atkins or paleo tend to veer into it, as does any kind of survivalist living. Eating only bacon because you just like it will get you there. Even a vegan living on coconut oil and avocado alone could do it.
Keto doesn't say what you should eat, it is just a state you enter when your carbs are restricted. And being in that state for sustained periods of time can have positive benefits physically and cognitively.
So it isn't really a diet, though there are healthier and less healthy ways to do. It's a nutrient pattern. And it is ancient - we went in and out of it evolutionarily forever. So id say, no, it isn't going anywhere.
But you're right - most people don't understand it very well!29 -
Interesting point and question.
Keto is not going away because a "ketogenic diet" is not like any other "diet" out there, which normally proscribe what foods you can eat based on a variety of theories and in what amounts. "Keto" means being in a state of nutritional ketosis, which means that you are eating less than or equal to 20g of net carbs per day, and that your body has switched over from burning glycogen derived from carbohydrates (or sometimes protein) to burning ketone bodies, either from bodily or dietary fat.
This can occur in almost any diet accidentally on some days, and will result very quickly from fasting. But it doesn't imply a nutritional deficit - it doesn't necessarily restrict how much you eat. Atkins or paleo tend to veer into it, as does any kind of survivalist living. Eating only bacon because you just like it will get you there. Even a vegan living on coconut oil and avocado alone could do it.
Keto doesn't say what you should eat, it is just a state you enter when your carbs are restricted. And being in that state for sustained periods of time can have positive benefits physically and cognitively.
So it isn't really a diet, though there are healthier and less healthy ways to do. It's a nutrient pattern. And it is ancient - we went in and out of it evolutionarily forever. So id say, no, it isn't going anywhere.
But you're right - most people don't understand it very well!
The current ultra fad phase will pass...which is what I think the point of the OP is. It's super fad right now and all over everything social media. I personally don't have a problem with keto or any other diet...but I do think it gets super annoying when they become fads of the highest order and 99% of what gets thrown out there on various social media sites by people following the fad is pure nonsense and/or they have zero clue what they're talking about and extremely limited nutritional knowledge. No diet ever goes away completely...people still do paleo for example, but it's not nearly as "hot" and trendy as it was 5 years ago when it was the only way to eat.
That and it gets super preachy...pretty close to as preachy as veganism in regards to it being the only way to eat and be healthy...ironic that they are on opposite ends of the spectrum.3 -
happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
Yes, this has been pointed out many times. Some find fats satisfying. Many do not. It's like a subtle form of propaganda. Trying to speak it into reality. For those that find fats satisfying, great. But many do not.
Yea, I don't get that. I need carbs, I need volume in my meals which you can't get with high fatty foods. We're all wired differently, I for example prefer eating every 3-4 hours than do something like Intermittent fasting....yet for some, it's the opposite, they don't mind not eating for 16 hours so that they can have 2 big meals. Saying that keto makes you less hungry is false, it all comes down how we are wired.
Saying Keto may make another more or less hungry may be true or false. When I say Keto makes Me less hungry that is a true statement.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
Yes, this has been pointed out many times. Some find fats satisfying. Many do not. It's like a subtle form of propaganda. Trying to speak it into reality. For those that find fats satisfying, great. But many do not.
Yea, I don't get that. I need carbs, I need volume in my meals which you can't get with high fatty foods. We're all wired differently, I for example prefer eating every 3-4 hours than do something like Intermittent fasting....yet for some, it's the opposite, they don't mind not eating for 16 hours so that they can have 2 big meals. Saying that keto makes you less hungry is false, it all comes down how we are wired.
Saying Keto may make another more or less hungry may be true or false. When I say Keto makes Me less hungry that is a true statement.
I think the first statement is true also.
If you said ‘keto will make another more or less hungry’ then that would be a false statement.
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True. Absolute statements about humans and their health is a great way to be wrong.5
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
The list was actually posted by me, but the last bit (where I said that it differs for everyone -YMMV) was (accidentally?) removed when I was quoted. It was not written as a universal statement.
As an aside, it's possible that the weakness or fatigue you felt was from the electrolyte imbalance that accompanies lowering carbs. Most who lower carbs need about 2 tsp of salt a day.
I’m pretty sure the weakness was from not eating my brain and muscles’ fuel source of choice but thanks for the advice.
It’s only the food of choice if it’s present in sufficient quantities and even then when it is in ample supply, exercising at extreme levels it’s not always the only source the brain reaches for.
Pssst. That's what food of choice means. If it's there, it gets eaten.8 -
That Keto is so hot right now
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stevencloser wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
The list was actually posted by me, but the last bit (where I said that it differs for everyone -YMMV) was (accidentally?) removed when I was quoted. It was not written as a universal statement.
As an aside, it's possible that the weakness or fatigue you felt was from the electrolyte imbalance that accompanies lowering carbs. Most who lower carbs need about 2 tsp of salt a day.
I’m pretty sure the weakness was from not eating my brain and muscles’ fuel source of choice but thanks for the advice.
It’s only the food of choice if it’s present in sufficient quantities and even then when it is in ample supply, exercising at extreme levels it’s not always the only source the brain reaches for.
Pssst. That's what food of choice means. If it's there, it gets eaten.
So it’s not the exclusive food for the brain then? 😉
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?17 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?
vast majority , really? I’m calling *kitten* on that!16 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?
vast majority , really? I’m calling *kitten* on that!tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?
vast majority , really? I’m calling *kitten* on that!
You can call whatever you want. It doesn't change the facts any.11 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?
vast majority , really? I’m calling *kitten* on that!tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?
vast majority , really? I’m calling *kitten* on that!
You can call whatever you want. It doesn't change my opinion any.
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At the end of the day ATP is what matters for "fuel", just different rates/kinetics as well as efficiency for proteins, carbohydrates, & fatty acids...dynamics vs. kinetics3
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BrunetteRunner87 wrote: »I was just saying to my husband that I wish this Keto craze would end already. I feel like half the posts on here are about it, I have about 20 facebook friends constantly talking about it, and 65% of the news stories Google sends me about health are keto-related. (And I don't think a lot of people who say they're doing keto actually know what it is, but that's a different discussion). I guess if it really works for someone, great, but I think a lot of people talk about it and try it without actually knowing what it is and that it's not sustainable for many people for long. Mostly I'm tired of it clogging up my feed!
I know that when I first started MFP several years ago, there weren't really any discussions about keto. But there was probably another popular diet...I remember Atkins and South Beach were all the rage for a while, and in the 90s you had low fat diets.
So, do you think keto is just a craze, or is it here to stay? What new diet do you think it will be replaced with next? I'm also interested in a trip down memory lane to discuss popular diets from back in the day, when they phased out, and whether they ever came back into popularity.
I'm on a sea food diet, I sea food and I eat it 😂5 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
Yes, this has been pointed out many times. Some find fats satisfying. Many do not. It's like a subtle form of propaganda. Trying to speak it into reality. For those that find fats satisfying, great. But many do not.
I love fat, find it satiating, and am not a volume eater. I still wouldn't want to do keto. I probably eat a higher percentage of fat than most but find if my carbs dip below 100g/day for any sustained period of time I get very cranky
Keto isn’t for everyone, that’s for sure, but it is definitely for many.
I personally like to keep my carbs around 100g to and I definitely like fat and protein ahead of carbs.
You're sentence can be applied to any diet really.
<INSERT_DIET> isn't for everyone, that's for sure, but it is definitely for many.
I don't even know why people make such a big deal with their diet, it's a tool, but yet people get all cultish and obessed by them. I guess it's human to cling on to something, whether it's religion, politics or even something silly like a diet.7 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
Yes, this has been pointed out many times. Some find fats satisfying. Many do not. It's like a subtle form of propaganda. Trying to speak it into reality. For those that find fats satisfying, great. But many do not.
I love fat, find it satiating, and am not a volume eater. I still wouldn't want to do keto. I probably eat a higher percentage of fat than most but find if my carbs dip below 100g/day for any sustained period of time I get very cranky
Keto isn’t for everyone, that’s for sure, but it is definitely for many.
I personally like to keep my carbs around 100g to and I definitely like fat and protein ahead of carbs.
You're sentence can be applied to any diet really.
<INSERT_DIET> isn't for everyone, that's for sure, but it is definitely for many.
I don't even know why people make such a big deal with their diet, it's a tool, but yet people get all cultish and obessed by them. I guess it's human to cling on to something, whether it's religion, politics or even something silly like a diet.
I totally agree!
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