Ketogenic Diet

eringrace95_
eringrace95_ Posts: 296 Member
edited November 28 in Health and Weight Loss
So I lost 50 pounds originally just by doing CICO on here over a year and a half. I gained almost all of it back and I’m tying to figure out the best way to lose it quickly again.

I know people who have lost very quickly on th ketogenic diet and I was wondering what people’s experience with it was? Like I would obviously still be using CICO in congruence with it.
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  • Lillymoo01
    Lillymoo01 Posts: 2,865 Member
    ErinSot wrote: »
    I hear all of you and I get why my OP was confusing/miscommunciated but like I said I lost the original 50 pounds over a year and a half and I did that with a 500 cal deficit a week, which I wouldn’t consider aggressive at all.

    I believe the reason I gained it mostly back is due to the fact I stopped logging and life got in the way so I started eating poorly and not working out as often.

    I know if I just stick to what I did last time I’d be able to do it, i was just wondering peoples experience with th keto diet.

    The great thing is that you know what you have to do in order to get the results you want. Just that this time you know you can't get lazy once you reach your goals. You can give keto a try and see if that helps with your satiety as this can make it easier to adhere to a calorie deficit. I'd just make sure you do plenty of research first to help minimise potential side effects like keto flu.
  • eringrace95_
    eringrace95_ Posts: 296 Member
    Lillymoo01 wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    I hear all of you and I get why my OP was confusing/miscommunciated but like I said I lost the original 50 pounds over a year and a half and I did that with a 500 cal deficit a week, which I wouldn’t consider aggressive at all.

    I believe the reason I gained it mostly back is due to the fact I stopped logging and life got in the way so I started eating poorly and not working out as often.

    I know if I just stick to what I did last time I’d be able to do it, i was just wondering peoples experience with th keto diet.

    The great thing is that you know what you have to do in order to get the results you want. Just that this time you know you can't get lazy once you reach your goals. You can give keto a try and see if that helps with your satiety as this can make it easier to adhere to a calorie deficit. I'd just make sure you do plenty of research first to help minimise potential side effects like keto flu.


    Very good info thanks!
  • eringrace95_
    eringrace95_ Posts: 296 Member
    rpmkarting wrote: »
    Ketogenic diet works. So does CICO. I lost 100 lbs in 6 months in 2011 without Keto. had a couple of injuries and stopped caring. Gained everything back over a period of 5 years. If you think about it, it is much easier to lose weight than gain. I have been Keto since April and have lost 60 lbs. I don’t feel miserable this time. Personally I feel you can lose weight with any diet. I am really liking the Keto lifestyle. I find it satiating, very easy to follow, I have no cravings for food like I had in 2011. Don’t go too high on fat if you try Keto. Probably 70% max will be fine if you are trying to lose fat. No more than 5% carbs. I only count actual carbs, not net carbs.

    Good to know thanks!
  • eringrace95_
    eringrace95_ Posts: 296 Member
    leftsox wrote: »
    You cant do keto successfully without CICO. That's where many go wrong. You must follow the 5% 25% 75% rule where carbs are conserved in order to get the max benefit from keto. Keep in mind you will be cooking homemade dinners 90% if not 99% of the time..

    As for fast weight loss, yes on keto the first week usually shows a huge drop..yes most of that is water. However once you are fat adapted you burn fat as energy not glucose. At this point your body will naturally stop craving carbs. Even if you still want carbs there are suit as ble alternative that dont spike your blood sugar....as in.lilys chocolate bars..net carbs are amazingly low for chocolate, they even make chocolate chips. You can bake your own bread..cakes muffins and candy (fat bombs) are all good ways to curb your carb habit but remain true to keto...please research, you can watch Dr Berg on you tube free..

    Awesome info! Thanks
  • priara31
    priara31 Posts: 27 Member
    veganbaum wrote: »
    priara31 wrote: »
    kimny72 wrote: »
    priara31 wrote: »
    Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.

    You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast

    Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    priara31 wrote: »
    Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.

    As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".


    https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/

    https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html


    On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.
    fb47 wrote: »
    priara31 wrote: »
    Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.

    Don't believe anything you watch in documentaries especially Netflix especially since they will cherry pick their data in order to create their documentary or else there wouldn't be a documentary to begin with.

    https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=RFijW8A2Prc

    You will find all the research showing the flaws of the documentary on the link too.

    The thing about all these documentaries, whether they are "true" or not is this, the one thing they have in common is that eating healthy, whole, non-processed foods can help with a number of diseases, including obesity. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with vegan, keto, paleo, etc. As long as it includes healthy foods and takes non-processed foods and sugar out of the equation. I'm all for that! :) If any of those help people make healthier choices, then that's great.

    It would probably be most beneficial for the average person to start by understanding the first step they could take to "cure" their obesity is . . . eat less than they burn. That's it. It would take care of the obesity, and as they lose weight if there are other health issues those would likely improve as well.

    While the average person would also, on all probability, be better off health wise focusing more of their diet on whole foods, that's not necessary for weight loss. For a lot of people, one step at a time is more likely to lead to success than overhauling everything at once. I've seen lots of stories on MFP about individuals who started by losing weight by only tracking their food. As they lost weight and felt better, they started exercising. Then, they started eating a more well-rounded diet. But, taking "non-processed" foods and sugar out of the equation aren't necessary.

    And on a more specific note, veganism is a lifestyle choice based on ethics. It is not the same as plant-based and does not in and of itself denote a whole foods diet. It's pretty easy to be a junk food vegan. The average person in the U.S. likely eats junk food that's "accidentally" vegan, without knowing it at all. And while I think my diet is fairly well-rounded, I eat plenty of junk food. (This is not mean to start a debate about the term "junk food." Of course adding treats to a diet is fine, it all depends on context, etc., etc. I'm using it for ease-of-use to refer to what I would consider treat foods.)

    For dinner today I may have a Gardein Ultimate Burger (totally "processed") on Dave's Killer Bread (also "processed") with avocado and mixed greens and pickles ("processed") and "Bacon-Habanero" corn chips ("processed"), along with some zucchini and tomatoes left over from my weekly lunch prep. Today I've already had a banana, acai (because I like it), pineapple and blueberry smoothie bowl with cereal ("processed"), some watermelon, blackberries, almond milk ("processed"), coffee ("processed").

    During the week I have oatmeal loaded with lots of good stuff every morning, a big salad of mixed veggies with lettuce along with, typically, potato, sweet potato (sometimes mix in beets or carrots or fennel or squash; wintertime is often a variety of roasted veggies), avocado and some type of tofu/seitan/tempeh or bean for lunch, and dinner varies, but nearly always has some greens. Does my weekend "junk food" make my diet poor? No.

    The point of all of that is that context matters (and that veganism does not mean no junk food). It's not necessary to eat a diet of only whole, "non-processed" foods and no sugar.

    Very good point! And so true. I was once a "junk food" vegan. Mine though wasn't based on 'ethics', it was primarily because I was allergic (not lactose intolerant) to dairy, eggs and most shellfish. I remember being the vegan that learned not to eat any veggies. A fact that I'm not proud of now, although others laugh when I tell them this. I've since gone back to eating eggs and most dairy, although I stay away from shrimp, milk and ice cream.
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