Ketogenic Diet
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Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast
Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".
https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html
On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
Don't believe anything you watch in documentaries especially Netflix especially since they will cherry pick their data in order to create their documentary or else there wouldn't be a documentary to begin with.
https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=RFijW8A2Prc
You will find all the research showing the flaws of the documentary on the link too.
The thing about all these documentaries, whether they are "true" or not is this, the one thing they have in common is that eating healthy, whole, non-processed foods can help with a number of diseases, including obesity. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with vegan, keto, paleo, etc. As long as it includes healthy foods and takes non-processed foods and sugar out of the equation. I'm all for that!
If any of those help people make healthier choices, then that's great. 27 -
If you are truly interested in Keto. Then research it. I've watched the magic pill and also another about juicing..the difference. I can sustained eating Keto..I can not only have juice or my blood sugar would go crazy and I will be hungry all the time...but that's me.
If you feel like Keto might work or could work please learn how it works that why you aren't surprised when and why things happen..
I know I said Watch Dr Berg and he's a great referance but there are plenty of books and websites too...and you will notice people hating on Keto but stand behind Paleo and they are very similar..
I understand the science behind it, I work in healthcare, and unless your in a keto group you will be "Woo"ed to death on the main boards.
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Pointing out that someone put forward as an information source is a discredited quack isn't hating on keto.25
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Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast
Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".
https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html
On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
Don't believe anything you watch in documentaries especially Netflix especially since they will cherry pick their data in order to create their documentary or else there wouldn't be a documentary to begin with.
https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=RFijW8A2Prc
You will find all the research showing the flaws of the documentary on the link too.
The thing about all these documentaries, whether they are "true" or not is this, the one thing they have in common is that eating healthy, whole, non-processed foods can help with a number of diseases, including obesity. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with vegan, keto, paleo, etc. As long as it includes healthy foods and takes non-processed foods and sugar out of the equation. I'm all for that! If any of those help people make healthier choices, then that's great.
It would probably be most beneficial for the average person to start by understanding the first step they could take to "cure" their obesity is . . . eat less than they burn. That's it. It would take care of the obesity, and as they lose weight if there are other health issues those would likely improve as well.
While the average person would also, on all probability, be better off health wise focusing more of their diet on whole foods, that's not necessary for weight loss. For a lot of people, one step at a time is more likely to lead to success than overhauling everything at once. I've seen lots of stories on MFP about individuals who started by losing weight by only tracking their food. As they lost weight and felt better, they started exercising. Then, they started eating a more well-rounded diet. But, taking "non-processed" foods and sugar out of the equation aren't necessary.
And on a more specific note, veganism is a lifestyle choice based on ethics. It is not the same as plant-based and does not in and of itself denote a whole foods diet. It's pretty easy to be a junk food vegan. The average person in the U.S. likely eats junk food that's "accidentally" vegan, without knowing it at all. And while I think my diet is fairly well-rounded, I eat plenty of junk food. (This is not mean to start a debate about the term "junk food." Of course adding treats to a diet is fine, it all depends on context, etc., etc. I'm using it for ease-of-use to refer to what I would consider treat foods.)
For dinner today I may have a Gardein Ultimate Burger (totally "processed") on Dave's Killer Bread (also "processed") with avocado and mixed greens and pickles ("processed") and "Bacon-Habanero" corn chips ("processed"), along with some zucchini and tomatoes left over from my weekly lunch prep. Today I've already had a banana, acai (because I like it), pineapple and blueberry smoothie bowl with cereal ("processed"), some watermelon, blackberries, almond milk ("processed"), coffee ("processed").
During the week I have oatmeal loaded with lots of good stuff every morning, a big salad of mixed veggies with lettuce along with, typically, potato, sweet potato (sometimes mix in beets or carrots or fennel or squash; wintertime is often a variety of roasted veggies), avocado and some type of tofu/seitan/tempeh or bean for lunch, and dinner varies, but nearly always has some greens. Does my weekend "junk food" make my diet poor? No.
The point of all of that is that context matters (and that veganism does not mean no junk food). It's not necessary to eat a diet of only whole, "non-processed" foods and no sugar.9 -
You cant do keto successfully without CICO. That's where many go wrong. You must follow the 5% 25% 75% rule where carbs are conserved in order to get the max benefit from keto. Keep in mind you will be cooking homemade dinners 90% if not 99% of the time..
As for fast weight loss, yes on keto the first week usually shows a huge drop..yes most of that is water. However once you are fat adapted you burn fat as energy not glucose. At this point your body will naturally stop craving carbs. Even if you still want carbs there are suit as ble alternative that dont spike your blood sugar....as in.lilys chocolate bars..net carbs are amazingly low for chocolate, they even make chocolate chips. You can bake your own bread..cakes muffins and candy (fat bombs) are all good ways to curb your carb habit but remain true to keto...please research, you can watch Dr Berg on you tube free..
I'm astonished that "Dr" Berg is touted as a reliable source on any subject when he has been disciplined for pushing treatments including holding homeopathic water (in other words plain old water...) over people and listening to patient's hearts to evaluate nutrition - let's face it that would be bonkers even if Berg was a medical doctor (he isn't but seems to forget to mention that when using the designation) or cardiologist.
Would suggest Lyle McDonald would be a more respected source of information.
Yes, "Dr." Berg (who sometimes seems to neglect to mention that he's a chiropractor, not an M.D.) was fined and censured by the Virginia Board of Medicine for (among other things) exceeding his scope of practice as a chiropractor, and using methods which have no scientific/medical proof of benefit: https://casewatch.net/board/chiro/berg.shtml
I don't consider him a reliable source for anything.You cant do keto successfully without CICO. That's where many go wrong...
Man, if you had just stopped right there, you would have been golden!
There is nothing wrong with the information he gives in his videos about intermittent fasting or Keto dieting..you seam to think no one is allowed to learn anything past thier given profession.25 -
Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast
Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".
https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html
On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
Don't believe anything you watch in documentaries especially Netflix especially since they will cherry pick their data in order to create their documentary or else there wouldn't be a documentary to begin with.
https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=RFijW8A2Prc
You will find all the research showing the flaws of the documentary on the link too.
The thing about all these documentaries, whether they are "true" or not is this, the one thing they have in common is that eating healthy, whole, non-processed foods can help with a number of diseases, including obesity. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with vegan, keto, paleo, etc. As long as it includes healthy foods and takes non-processed foods and sugar out of the equation. I'm all for that! If any of those help people make healthier choices, then that's great.
It would probably be most beneficial for the average person to start by understanding the first step they could take to "cure" their obesity is . . . eat less than they burn. That's it. It would take care of the obesity, and as they lose weight if there are other health issues those would likely improve as well.
While the average person would also, on all probability, be better off health wise focusing more of their diet on whole foods, that's not necessary for weight loss. For a lot of people, one step at a time is more likely to lead to success than overhauling everything at once. I've seen lots of stories on MFP about individuals who started by losing weight by only tracking their food. As they lost weight and felt better, they started exercising. Then, they started eating a more well-rounded diet. But, taking "non-processed" foods and sugar out of the equation aren't necessary.
And on a more specific note, veganism is a lifestyle choice based on ethics. It is not the same as plant-based and does not in and of itself denote a whole foods diet. It's pretty easy to be a junk food vegan. The average person in the U.S. likely eats junk food that's "accidentally" vegan, without knowing it at all. And while I think my diet is fairly well-rounded, I eat plenty of junk food. (This is not mean to start a debate about the term "junk food." Of course adding treats to a diet is fine, it all depends on context, etc., etc. I'm using it for ease-of-use to refer to what I would consider treat foods.)
For dinner today I may have a Gardein Ultimate Burger (totally "processed") on Dave's Killer Bread (also "processed") with avocado and mixed greens and pickles ("processed") and "Bacon-Habanero" corn chips ("processed"), along with some zucchini and tomatoes left over from my weekly lunch prep. Today I've already had a banana, acai (because I like it), pineapple and blueberry smoothie bowl with cereal ("processed"), some watermelon, blackberries, almond milk ("processed"), coffee ("processed").
During the week I have oatmeal loaded with lots of good stuff every morning, a big salad of mixed veggies with lettuce along with, typically, potato, sweet potato (sometimes mix in beets or carrots or fennel or squash; wintertime is often a variety of roasted veggies), avocado and some type of tofu/seitan/tempeh or bean for lunch, and dinner varies, but nearly always has some greens. Does my weekend "junk food" make my diet poor? No.
The point of all of that is that context matters (and that veganism does not mean no junk food). It's not necessary to eat a diet of only whole, "non-processed" foods and no sugar.
Very good point! And so true. I was once a "junk food" vegan. Mine though wasn't based on 'ethics', it was primarily because I was allergic (not lactose intolerant) to dairy, eggs and most shellfish. I remember being the vegan that learned not to eat any veggies. A fact that I'm not proud of now, although others laugh when I tell them this. I've since gone back to eating eggs and most dairy, although I stay away from shrimp, milk and ice cream.2 -
I would like to remind everyone, again that if a debate about another users post come up, please take it over to debate and keep the help threads focused on the OP of the thread.
Any further debate about Dr. Berg or youtube documentaries needs to be in its own thread.
Thanks for your cooperation,
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Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
If you want oatmeal, than maybe low carb is a better choice.. or even a zone diet.
And if anyone wants the legit science behind keto, go to the godfather of the diet Lyle McDonald. He is an actual researcher who isnt looking to get clicks. And he was one of the original people discussing ketogenic diets outaide atkins and medical intervention.5 -
Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast
Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".
https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html
On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
Don't believe anything you watch in documentaries especially Netflix especially since they will cherry pick their data in order to create their documentary or else there wouldn't be a documentary to begin with.
https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=RFijW8A2Prc
You will find all the research showing the flaws of the documentary on the link too.
The thing about all these documentaries, whether they are "true" or not is this, the one thing they have in common is that eating healthy, whole, non-processed foods can help with a number of diseases, including obesity. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with vegan, keto, paleo, etc. As long as it includes healthy foods and takes non-processed foods and sugar out of the equation. I'm all for that! If any of those help people make healthier choices, then that's great.
It would probably be most beneficial for the average person to start by understanding the first step they could take to "cure" their obesity is . . . eat less than they burn. That's it. It would take care of the obesity, and as they lose weight if there are other health issues those would likely improve as well.
While the average person would also, on all probability, be better off health wise focusing more of their diet on whole foods, that's not necessary for weight loss. For a lot of people, one step at a time is more likely to lead to success than overhauling everything at once. I've seen lots of stories on MFP about individuals who started by losing weight by only tracking their food. As they lost weight and felt better, they started exercising. Then, they started eating a more well-rounded diet. But, taking "non-processed" foods and sugar out of the equation aren't necessary.
And on a more specific note, veganism is a lifestyle choice based on ethics. It is not the same as plant-based and does not in and of itself denote a whole foods diet. It's pretty easy to be a junk food vegan. The average person in the U.S. likely eats junk food that's "accidentally" vegan, without knowing it at all. And while I think my diet is fairly well-rounded, I eat plenty of junk food. (This is not mean to start a debate about the term "junk food." Of course adding treats to a diet is fine, it all depends on context, etc., etc. I'm using it for ease-of-use to refer to what I would consider treat foods.)
For dinner today I may have a Gardein Ultimate Burger (totally "processed") on Dave's Killer Bread (also "processed") with avocado and mixed greens and pickles ("processed") and "Bacon-Habanero" corn chips ("processed"), along with some zucchini and tomatoes left over from my weekly lunch prep. Today I've already had a banana, acai (because I like it), pineapple and blueberry smoothie bowl with cereal ("processed"), some watermelon, blackberries, almond milk ("processed"), coffee ("processed").
During the week I have oatmeal loaded with lots of good stuff every morning, a big salad of mixed veggies with lettuce along with, typically, potato, sweet potato (sometimes mix in beets or carrots or fennel or squash; wintertime is often a variety of roasted veggies), avocado and some type of tofu/seitan/tempeh or bean for lunch, and dinner varies, but nearly always has some greens. Does my weekend "junk food" make my diet poor? No.
The point of all of that is that context matters (and that veganism does not mean no junk food). It's not necessary to eat a diet of only whole, "non-processed" foods and no sugar.
Very good point! And so true. I was once a "junk food" vegan. Mine though wasn't based on 'ethics', it was primarily because I was allergic (not lactose intolerant) to dairy, eggs and most shellfish. I remember being the vegan that learned not to eat any veggies. A fact that I'm not proud of now, although others laugh when I tell them this. I've since gone back to eating eggs and most dairy, although I stay away from shrimp, milk and ice cream.
I don't want to sidetrack the thread, so I'll just clarify one of my points. The point I was trying to make in response to yours is that veganism actually is ethics-based. The term was coined to mean a way of living based on ethics. So, if it's ethics-based, it's easy to be a junk food vegan. Whereas plant-based usually means a diet based around plant foods for health.
While most vegans I've met are health-focused as well, that's not the point - it's not a vegan "diet," it's a vegan lifestyle, and thus does not automatically exclude junk food like a lot of people seem to think. The premise of plant-based is that those who follow it believe that a diet centered around plants is healthiest. Plant-based could also mean one eats some animal products, as it's not an ethical stance. So veganism is out of place in a list of paleo, keto, etc.5 -
If you are truly interested in Keto. Then research it. I've watched the magic pill and also another about juicing..the difference. I can sustained eating Keto..I can not only have juice or my blood sugar would go crazy and I will be hungry all the time...but that's me.
If you feel like Keto might work or could work please learn how it works that why you aren't surprised when and why things happen..
I know I said Watch Dr Berg and he's a great referance but there are plenty of books and websites too...and you will notice people hating on Keto but stand behind Paleo and they are very similar..
I understand the science behind it, I work in healthcare, and unless your in a keto group you will be "Woo"ed to death on the main boards.
Nobody in this thread is "hating" on keto. We are criticizing some of the "pop" experts and filmmakers who have glommed onto its popularity and ascribe magic powers to the diet to get clicks.
OP, if it sounds like a way you would like eating, by all means try Keto, or perhaps a slightly less extreme low carb eating plan. If you find fats satiating and enjoy eating them enough to make them the majority of your calories, some people find it does the trick to keep them easily at their calorie goal. Good luck whatever you go with!12 -
Keto is a way of eating that keeps me satiated and keeps me under my calorie limit. The fat/protein mix keeps me full and curbs my hunger. And there are ways to enjoy things you want to eat and make them keto friendly. Just requires some research and fun times in the kitchen!
Long story short, if you can stay full on those macros and stay in a calorie deficit, then it may work for you. 8 -
DisneyDude85 wrote: »Keto is a way of eating that keeps me satiated and keeps me under my calorie limit. The fat/protein mix keeps me full and curbs my hunger. And there are ways to enjoy things you want to eat and make them keto friendly. Just requires some research and fun times in the kitchen!
Long story short, if you can stay full on those macros and stay in a calorie deficit, then it may work for you.
I'm very glad this is working for you.1 -
I've been keto for over three years. It works well for me.
I started it to del with IR, autoimmune issues and arthritis. I'd been trying to lose my extra 20 lbs with moderating my diet but ending up gaining instead. Moderation dies not work well for me. Happily keto has helped my with my he's,then problems, to varying degrees, and I was happy to discover that my appetite and cravings are greatly reduced when I eat this way.
I tried increasing carbs a bit in maintenance but it led to carb creep which was calorie creep and I regained some weight. If I drop carbs to very low levels, I happily don't have to make a conscious effort to lose of maintain my weight.
Try joining the keto or Low Carber Daily MFP groups for more ideas of what the diet is like.
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I have been doing a lower fat version of keto (P 80-90; C < 20; F 60-100) for 9 months and have lost 64 pounds. Any diet that works requires a calorie deficit, but keto works for me because I can sustain a significant deficit day-after-day over long periods of time without being hungry at all. I was certainly a carb addict, and my diet prior to keto was largely composed of carbs. It was hard at first to get down to under 20 grams, but eating keto has brought so many benefits in addition to the weight loss, including getting off of my statin and antihypertensive medications, getting my fasting glucose back to normal, and reduced inflammation/pain. Prior to keto, I had tried many other diets, but I could never sustain the calorie deficit long enough to lose more than 20 pounds. Now, I occasionally have a non-keto meal, but go right back to plan, and this way of eating has become a way of life for me. Best of luck to you!6
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Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast
Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".
https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html
On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
Don't believe anything you watch in documentaries especially Netflix especially since they will cherry pick their data in order to create their documentary or else there wouldn't be a documentary to begin with.
https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=RFijW8A2Prc
You will find all the research showing the flaws of the documentary on the link too.
The thing about all these documentaries, whether they are "true" or not is this, the one thing they have in common is that eating healthy, whole, non-processed foods can help with a number of diseases, including obesity. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with vegan, keto, paleo, etc. As long as it includes healthy foods and takes non-processed foods and sugar out of the equation. I'm all for that! If any of those help people make healthier choices, then that's great.
It would probably be most beneficial for the average person to start by understanding the first step they could take to "cure" their obesity is . . . eat less than they burn. That's it. It would take care of the obesity, and as they lose weight if there are other health issues those would likely improve as well.
While the average person would also, on all probability, be better off health wise focusing more of their diet on whole foods, that's not necessary for weight loss. For a lot of people, one step at a time is more likely to lead to success than overhauling everything at once. I've seen lots of stories on MFP about individuals who started by losing weight by only tracking their food. As they lost weight and felt better, they started exercising. Then, they started eating a more well-rounded diet. But, taking "non-processed" foods and sugar out of the equation aren't necessary.
And on a more specific note, veganism is a lifestyle choice based on ethics. It is not the same as plant-based and does not in and of itself denote a whole foods diet. It's pretty easy to be a junk food vegan. The average person in the U.S. likely eats junk food that's "accidentally" vegan, without knowing it at all. And while I think my diet is fairly well-rounded, I eat plenty of junk food. (This is not mean to start a debate about the term "junk food." Of course adding treats to a diet is fine, it all depends on context, etc., etc. I'm using it for ease-of-use to refer to what I would consider treat foods.)
For dinner today I may have a Gardein Ultimate Burger (totally "processed") on Dave's Killer Bread (also "processed") with avocado and mixed greens and pickles ("processed") and "Bacon-Habanero" corn chips ("processed"), along with some zucchini and tomatoes left over from my weekly lunch prep. Today I've already had a banana, acai (because I like it), pineapple and blueberry smoothie bowl with cereal ("processed"), some watermelon, blackberries, almond milk ("processed"), coffee ("processed").
During the week I have oatmeal loaded with lots of good stuff every morning, a big salad of mixed veggies with lettuce along with, typically, potato, sweet potato (sometimes mix in beets or carrots or fennel or squash; wintertime is often a variety of roasted veggies), avocado and some type of tofu/seitan/tempeh or bean for lunch, and dinner varies, but nearly always has some greens. Does my weekend "junk food" make my diet poor? No.
The point of all of that is that context matters (and that veganism does not mean no junk food). It's not necessary to eat a diet of only whole, "non-processed" foods and no sugar.
So well said. Many people, thinking that they have to go 100% "healthy foods" in order to be successful at losing weight and improving their health overall, will find that too high of a bar to reach for. Encouraging people to lose weight, through the real methodology of how weight is loss (a sustained calorie deficit) without having to ascribe to extreme dietary changes is often a breath of fresh air for people who think that it would just be too hard, so why bother; if they have to cut out all processed foods and eat primarily whole foods.
Additionally, as you pointed out, assuming that processed automatically means unhealthy is just silly. You've given great examples but even packaged rice, greek yogurt, frozen Amy's meals, etc - these are all processed and can be a positive addition to many people's goal of eating an overall healthy, balanced diet.
I also totally agree with, and was one of those people that you describe that started simply by cutting calories, then making changes to add more nutrient dense foods, then more exercise - a series of small but manageable changes that improved my overall nutrition, fitness and health over time. If I had immediately gone with the extreme approach in all those categories I would have flamed out early on.
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Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast
Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".
https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html
On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
Don't believe anything you watch in documentaries especially Netflix especially since they will cherry pick their data in order to create their documentary or else there wouldn't be a documentary to begin with.
https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=RFijW8A2Prc
You will find all the research showing the flaws of the documentary on the link too.
The thing about all these documentaries, whether they are "true" or not is this, the one thing they have in common is that eating healthy, whole, non-processed foods can help with a number of diseases, including obesity. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with vegan, keto, paleo, etc. As long as it includes healthy foods and takes non-processed foods and sugar out of the equation. I'm all for that! If any of those help people make healthier choices, then that's great.
Veganism is not about eliminating non-processed foods or sugar. Individual vegans may decide to eliminate or reduce non-processed foods or sugar, but that's no different than a non-vegan deciding to make that change.
I do think that some people who want to eat healthier may do better if they choose a specific plan that includes dietary goals or restrictions. I personally know people who felt better after deciding to go vegan or paleo. But I think for weight loss, many people will find it more efficient and useful to focus on what actually matters -- calories.4 -
So I lost 50 pounds originally just by doing CICO on here over a year and a half. I gained almost all of it back and I’m tying to figure out the best way to lose it quickly again.
I know people who have lost very quickly on th ketogenic diet and I was wondering what people’s experience with it was? Like I would obviously still be using CICO in congruence with it.
OP, My experience with a ketogenic diet (in my case, Atkins) has been very favorable. Benefits: appetite is in check, love the food I eat, don't feel deprived, slow but steady weight loss, no more sugar highs and lows or falling asleep after lunch. It's a lifestyle change for me that I find very agreeable. I've been doing it for years. And no, "keto" doesn't mean perpetually staying under 20 g carbs/day.
Recommend you do your homework and RTFM - perhaps start with one of the Atkins books (most current is, "New Atkins for a New You", or sites such as
http://dietdoctor.com
https://blog.virtahealth.com/
http://forum.lowcarber.org
HTH
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OP, if it sounds like a way you would like eating, by all means try Keto, or perhaps a slightly less extreme low carb eating plan. If you find fats satiating and enjoy eating them enough to make them the majority of your calories, some people find it does the trick to keep them easily at their calorie goal. Good luck whatever you go with!
Yeah I’m always looking for ways to stay satiated. I lost 50 pounds with simply CICO as an omnivore but now I’m vegetarian and I’m finding it hard to stay under calories without massive amounts of carbs so that’s one reason I wanted to cut back2 -
Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
If you want oatmeal, than maybe low carb is a better choice.. or even a zone diet.
And if anyone wants the legit science behind keto, go to the godfather of the diet Lyle McDonald. He is an actual researcher who isnt looking to get clicks. And he was one of the original people discussing ketogenic diets outaide atkins and medical intervention.
And this is one book that I am absolutely going to get once I am "finished" with my current experiment (like how I did that, Mr. Lemon?)....0 -
Sure, any diet can work, as long as you are adherent. Keto is fine. Hope ya don't like cake or bread0
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