Carnivore Diet, Depression, and Autoimmune Disease -- Jordan Peterson

CSARdiver

aokoye wrote: »

CSARdiver wrote: »

As Dr. Peterson states repeatedly - he is largely ignorant of the science behind this (he is a clinical psychologist), but it works for him and his family. He is one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, but also has a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support.

I would not recommend attempting this without professional support.

Is he one of the greatest thinkers on the planet? How do you quantify (or qualify) that claim? Also while he may have a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support, whose to say that he's actually going to ask them for help in situations outside of collaborating on papers? It is fairly common knowledge that there are plenty of doctors and mental health care professionals who don't want to ask their colleagues for help. Nevermind the stigma surrounding mental health is in academia (and he is in academia) regardless of discipline. I would be pleasantly shocked if he talked to his colleagues about how to improve his mental health issues.

Purely subjective as I'm not sure how one would quantify or qualify this. He certainly has the respect of his peers - other great thinkers.

Personally what puts him over the top is the mere fact that if I credited him as such he would deny it.

aokoye

CSARdiver wrote: »

aokoye wrote: »

CSARdiver wrote: »

As Dr. Peterson states repeatedly - he is largely ignorant of the science behind this (he is a clinical psychologist), but it works for him and his family. He is one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, but also has a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support.

I would not recommend attempting this without professional support.

Is he one of the greatest thinkers on the planet? How do you quantify (or qualify) that claim? Also while he may have a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support, whose to say that he's actually going to ask them for help in situations outside of collaborating on papers? It is fairly common knowledge that there are plenty of doctors and mental health care professionals who don't want to ask their colleagues for help. Nevermind the stigma surrounding mental health is in academia (and he is in academia) regardless of discipline. I would be pleasantly shocked if he talked to his colleagues about how to improve his mental health issues.

Purely subjective as I'm not sure how one would quantify or qualify this. He certainly has the respect of his peers - other great thinkers.

Personally what puts him over the top is the mere fact that if I credited him as such he would deny it.

Arguably that's just him being humble. One of the reasons I question whether or not he's "one of the great thinkers on the planet" is that I know a number of people who are well published, well cited, and very well respected in their fields and have been around countless more. I don't know if I'd call any of them "the greatest thinkers on the planet".

lindsayforlife

I'm a huge admirer of Dr. Peterson, and knew of his daughter's experience with carnivore before I saw him on Rogan (of whom I am also a fan). Throughout the interview he states that he's not an expert in nutrition and also that the only reason he tried it in the first place was because of the incredible results experienced by Mikhaila. I also have multiple AI issues, and am severely obese. I researched it for about a month before I tried it at the end of July. I lasted 3 days. My experience included severe diarrhea, complete boredom and difficulty tolerating the monotony of texture. I ate rib eye, striploin, bacon, ground beef, eggs and chicken thighs. I couldn't do it. I give major props to anyone who can follow this plan. I love meat. I'm an Albertan. Beef is in my blood. The grilled edges of beef fat on a steak are one of life's pleasures. I couldn't do it. Too much chewing, no variety of texture, nothing to contrast the meat-ness. Just...meat. Sounds like a dream, but it's not. I just started paleo a couple of days ago and feeling better in terms of variety, but I'm still struggling to stick with it. I think in the end the most important thing about a diet or WOE is finding something you can sustain long term. That's the struggle for me.

JessieePoooh

Hello! I follow a Paleo diet and am currently making a Paleo Recipes book of all the meals I've tried and like. Would love to see and share recipes to find something we haven't tried yet and vice versa!

romanicholas1997

Hmm... weird. If you look into it it actually seems like a low meat diet provides the best chance of combating depression. High meat intakes have been linked to chronic inflammation (among many other health problems) and chronic inflammation has been directly linked to depression.

ccrdragon

romanicholas1997 wrote: »

Hmm... weird. If you look into it it actually seems like a low meat diet provides the best chance of combating depression. High meat intakes have been linked to chronic inflammation (among many other health problems) and chronic inflammation has been directly linked to depression.

Do you have any links to support these assertions?

cwolfman13

Sounds horrible...and I like and eat my fair share of meat.

ClockWorKitten

I am on carnivore and I can say it does improve my mood, I feel contented no moody or depressed. Also I am clinically depressed I take sertaline (could be spelled incorrectly).

mreichard

If his completely anti-science views within his field, his support of sketchy conspiracy theories and his boundless ignorance of history and economics are any indication, I would take his diet advice with a big grain of salt.

Lolinloggen

So this woman hating, white men first guy says he has a cure for depression?
Honestly I don't believe any word he says

FaileAybara

Lolinloggen wrote: »

So this woman hating, white men first guy says he has a cure for depression?
Honestly I don't believe any word he says

Aside from the diet thing which I also think is questionable, everything else you said is propaganda about a guy who doesn't take the "acceptable" position on some issues. I'm curious if you have actually listened to him in complete context or just read your acceptable publications versions of what he says. Might I recommend finding his interview on the Rubin Report podcast?

janejellyroll

FaileAybara wrote: »

Lolinloggen wrote: »

So this woman hating, white men first guy says he has a cure for depression?
Honestly I don't believe any word he says

Aside from the diet thing which I also think is questionable, everything else you said is propaganda about a guy who doesn't take the "acceptable" position on some issues. I'm curious if you have actually listened to him in complete context or just read your acceptable publications versions of what he says. Might I recommend finding his interview on the Rubin Report podcast?

It's impossible to say anything negative about Peterson without people jumping up and insisting you need to understand the "context" of what he's saying. I've listened to/watched whole podcasts and interviews, am I allowed to think he's got a problem with women?

It's so bizarre to talk about "acceptable publications" and then turn around and suggest we listen to a specific podcast so we can truly comprehend what Peterson is saying. If his views are so fragile that they are inherently warped by any exposure to them outside of welcoming podcasts and publications, that may be a problem with his communication style. At what point is someone responsible for his words?

FaileAybara

Lolinloggen wrote: »

It's impossible to say anything negative about Peterson without people jumping up and insisting you need to understand the "context" of what he's saying. I've listened to/watched whole podcasts and interviews, am I allowed to think he's got a problem with women?

It's so bizarre to talk about "acceptable publications" and then turn around and suggest we listen to a specific podcast so we can truly comprehend what Peterson is saying. If his views are so fragile that they are inherently warped by any exposure to them outside of welcoming podcasts and publications, that may be a problem with his communication style. At what point is someone responsible for his words?

If you have actually listened to the guy and that is the conclusion you come to then, of course, you are allowed to think that. I happen to disagree, which is also okay. I was following up to two people who made blanket statements about the man - particularly the whole "white man" angle to it which imo immediately makes the person saying it an idiot.

Generally, people who talk like that only listen to specific kinds of media. I like and recommend the Rubin Report because I find his interviews to be a good representation of what people believe without resorting to talking points. Also, Rubin is by no means a conservative and therefore perhaps a proper middle ground forum.

janejellyroll

FaileAybara wrote: »

Lolinloggen wrote: »

It's impossible to say anything negative about Peterson without people jumping up and insisting you need to understand the "context" of what he's saying. I've listened to/watched whole podcasts and interviews, am I allowed to think he's got a problem with women?

It's so bizarre to talk about "acceptable publications" and then turn around and suggest we listen to a specific podcast so we can truly comprehend what Peterson is saying. If his views are so fragile that they are inherently warped by any exposure to them outside of welcoming podcasts and publications, that may be a problem with his communication style. At what point is someone responsible for his words?

If you have actually listened to the guy and that is the conclusion you come to then, of course, you are allowed to think that. I happen to disagree, which is also okay. I was following up to two people who made blanket statements about the man - particularly the whole "white man" angle to it which imo immediately makes the person saying it an idiot.

Generally, people who talk like that only listen to specific kinds of media. I like and recommend the Rubin Report because I find his interviews to be a good representation of what people believe without resorting to talking points. Also, Rubin is by no means a conservative and therefore perhaps a proper middle ground forum.

Just an FYI, namecalling fellow users because they disagree with you is probably not going to be consistent with forum guidelines.

When it comes to Rubin, I get this from a bio on his website: "He now feels that the modern left has lost its way . . . "

His guests are people like Jordan Peterson, John Kasich, Roseanne Barr, John McCain, Ben Shaprio, and John Stossel and he has stated his willingness to vote for Trump in 2020. He describes Trump as a "moderate." I think it's a stretch to say that he is "by no means a conservative." At the very least, he's an opponent of the left (he describes himself as such) and uses his show to elevate and promote conservative voices. If that seems like a middle ground to you, I think that speaks volumes about where you're currently standing. Since he's currently touring with Peterson on his popular speaking tour, touting this guy as an impartial arbitrator seems inaccurate.

CSARdiver

Lolinloggen wrote: »

So this woman hating, white men first guy says he has a cure for depression?
Honestly I don't believe any word he says

Have any evidence to back this up?

Hard to believe you've listened to a word he said.

Alex

Hey folks - I don’t really see any discussion involving Jordan Peterson not turning divisive. Closing this down before it gets going further.