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"Oatmeal, breakfast foods contain unsafe amounts of cancer-linked weed killer..."

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  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    Uh oh.

    In addition, a gardener just won this lawsuit.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1KV2HB

    I smell class action.

    There goes glysophate/roundup.
  • SuzySunshine99
    SuzySunshine99 Posts: 2,989 Member
    My husband threw out the oatmeal yesterday after seeing this. He's very concerned about it, but I'd like to see more data and research.
  • RadishEater
    RadishEater Posts: 470 Member
    lol they took two sample mostly, sometimes three. That isn't how science works. If I only needed two sample to prove results I'd be done with my PhD now.

    @Aaron_K123 the article definitely has no scientific meaningful proof. Also only writing a scientific article with only analyzing two samples is RIDICULOUSLY suspicious. I don't think any actual scientist believes they could prove anything with two data points. Every unbiased scientific journal would reject that study in a heartbeat.

    It could be true, but unless they do a reasonable size study and show their results and process; it is a page of fluff written.
  • deannalfisher
    deannalfisher Posts: 5,600 Member
    jgnatca wrote: »
    Uh oh.

    In addition, a gardener just won this lawsuit.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1KV2HB

    I smell class action.

    There goes glysophate/roundup.

    i have to admit, i was hoping that the judge in this case would throw the judgement out - i don't think that the plantiff proved that it was the exposure to round-up that caused his NHLF - especially when as a disease there is little understanding of what specifically causes it. and Monsato acknowledged while they could appeal and maybe win, it would potentially cost up to $25million a year in interest while they continued fighting the case
  • MammaGulley
    MammaGulley Posts: 4 Member
    Glad mine isn't any of the brands listed.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    Its funny how the European Union came to a different conclusion. I wish i could remember the date of the findings.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    newmeadow wrote: »
    Scott The Truck Driver just posted a 48 minute video on this subject and he's burning with passion on the issue. I wish he'd come here and debate because he'd be throwing around kittens left and right and he wouldn't take any kitten from anybody here.

    I know when I want advice based on sound scientific judgement, I look to some wanna-be YouTube star instead of doctors and scientist who have spent years of their lives being educated, working in the field, and conducting and reviewing research.

    That's how I get my opiates, too. :blush:
  • CSARdiver
    CSARdiver Posts: 6,252 Member
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    Its funny how the European Union came to a different conclusion. I wish i could remember the date of the findings.

    This simply highlights the danger of appealing to popular opinion, emotion, and authority as opposed to reason.
  • MikePfirrman
    MikePfirrman Posts: 3,307 Member
    "To date there is no conclusive evidence that glyphosate causes any harm to humans at all. We don't have the pathway it inhibits and I have no idea how it would give you cancer because it isn't a mutagen or teratogen (it doesn't cause DNA damage). I could imagine that it might negatively affect ones gut microbiome as bacteria do have the shikimate pathway but most that do can derive those amino acids by uptake rather than the pathway so inhibition of the pathway wouldn't actually harm them in an enviornment that has lots of amino acids in it, like your gut. So I have my doubt that glyphosate would kill bacteria within your microbiome and I'm not sure there has been a study that has demonstrated that it does. That said that is the one potentially negative effect I would at least think there is the possibility it would have."

    I believe there have been studies that demonstrate this but they have been mixed.

    Here's one of the more in depth studies on it.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0269749117328099
  • The_Enginerd
    The_Enginerd Posts: 3,982 Member
    edited August 2018
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    Its funny how the European Union came to a different conclusion. I wish i could remember the date of the findings.

    Some background on the EU decision is in this article.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-science-behind-the-roundup-lawsuit/
  • kimny72
    kimny72 Posts: 16,011 Member
    If it makes anyone feel better, I've seen this getting lots of traction on FB:

    https://amp.slate.com/technology/2018/08/glyphosate-from-monsantos-weed-killer-roundup-in-breakfast-cereal-isnt-something-to-worry-about.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_ru&__twitter_impression=true

    And several people I spoke to who don't really pay attention to scientific research all thought the lawsuit award was absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. So there's that.
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