"Oatmeal, breakfast foods contain unsafe amounts of cancer-linked weed killer..."

vegmebuff

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/oatmeal-breakfast-foods-contain-unsafe-amounts-of-cancer-linked-weed-killer-report-says/ar-BBLZm71?li=AAggNb9

jgnatca

Uh oh.

In addition, a gardener just won this lawsuit.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1KV2HB

I smell class action.

There goes glysophate/roundup.

SuzySunshine99

My husband threw out the oatmeal yesterday after seeing this. He's very concerned about it, but I'd like to see more data and research.

Aaron_K123

This kind of thing is infuriating. Ignores the science completely or politicians cherry picking whatever data supports their narrative and the public piling on ignoring the recommendations of actual experts within the area. California just decided that glyphosate causes cancer despite there being no clear evidence that it does nor any clear explanation as to how it even could. Civil suites, decided by jurors, are then won and the safest pesticide we have gets labeled as dangerous and pressure put on to get rid of it even though no alternative is being suggested at all.

Journalists write what basically amounts to an uninformed op-ed and it gets published like it is news. I would love to see how a study determined that a finding that 1.1 miligrams a day of something produces a 1 in 100,000 risk of cancer was a statistically significant finding....to me that sounds like experimental noise being interpreted as meaningful. These results were also put out by the environmental working group which is not exactly unbiased in this arena.

To those who want glyphosate gone what do you suggest we replace it with in order to sustain production? Should we go back to older much more enviormentally harmful methods or the use of actually very toxic herbicides such as organophosphates?

The_Enginerd

Or you could trust the actual science on this instead of reacting to the latest scare based on fear and scaremongering.

https://thoughtscapism.com/2016/09/07/17-questions-about-glyphosate/

Specifically:
https://thoughtscapism.com/2016/09/07/does-glyphosate-cause-cancer/

And the EWG overstates risks on chemicals and their recommendations are backed more by fear than by science. They are the same group that puts out the "dirty dozen" list trying to scare you into thinking organically produced produce is safer.

https://acsh.org/news/2017/05/25/dear-ewg-why-real-scientists-think-poorly-you-11323

CSARdiver

It was only a matter of time. All it takes is a jury of 12. 12 individuals with no knowledge of correlation vs causation.

The world just took a big step away from order in favor of chaos.

RadishEater

lol they took two sample mostly, sometimes three. That isn't how science works. If I only needed two sample to prove results I'd be done with my PhD now.

@Aaron_K123 the article definitely has no scientific meaningful proof. Also only writing a scientific article with only analyzing two samples is RIDICULOUSLY suspicious. I don't think any actual scientist believes they could prove anything with two data points. Every unbiased scientific journal would reject that study in a heartbeat.

It could be true, but unless they do a reasonable size study and show their results and process; it is a page of fluff written.

Tacklewasher

Great.

Now my wife is going to throw out my oatmeal. I just bought it.

Millicent3015

This sounds like the usual health fare presented by every news outlet. Today: "Coffee causes cancer!" Tomorrow: "Coffee is good for you!" And so on, with every product that gets a sentence written about it in whatever publication du jour that's popular with science minded peeps.

AnvilHead

Usual hack journalism. Scaremongering drives clicks, which drives ad revenue.

singingflutelady

newmeadow wrote: »

Scott The Truck Driver just posted a 48 minute video on this subject and he's burning with passion on the issue. I wish he'd come here and debate because he'd be throwing around kittens left and right and he wouldn't take any kitten from anybody here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2WyrLtMERM&t=1585s

Yes that's exactly what we need. More scaremongering.

deannalfisher

jgnatca wrote: »

Uh oh.

In addition, a gardener just won this lawsuit.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1KV2HB

I smell class action.

There goes glysophate/roundup.

i have to admit, i was hoping that the judge in this case would throw the judgement out - i don't think that the plantiff proved that it was the exposure to round-up that caused his NHLF - especially when as a disease there is little understanding of what specifically causes it. and Monsato acknowledged while they could appeal and maybe win, it would potentially cost up to $25million a year in interest while they continued fighting the case

MammaGulley

Glad mine isn't any of the brands listed.

kimny72

They can pry my Lucky Charms (and my oatmeal) from my cold dead hands.

It was just a matter of time before we made the leap from people getting medical advice from former Playboy Playmates on FB to governments bowing to social pressure and declaring something causes cancer because that's what everyone wants them to say. <sigh>

AnvilHead

Based upon the link posted above by @The_Enginerd, The American Council of Science and Health doesn't seem to think very highly of EWG. Basically, they're a pseudoscientific, activist, fearmongering group.

I'm just glad that Captain Crunch Peanut Butter cereal isn't on their list.

pinuplove

Tacklewasher wrote: »

Great.

Now my wife is going to throw out my oatmeal. I just bought it.

Or maybe she'll start giving you extra servings...

AnvilHead

Aaron_K123 wrote: »

This kind of thing is infuriating. Ignores the science completely or politicians cherry picking whatever data supports their narrative and the public piling on ignoring the recommendations of actual experts within the area. California just decided that glyphosate causes cancer despite there being no clear evidence that it does nor any clear explanation as to how it even could...

kimny72 wrote: »

It was just a matter of time before we made the leap from people getting medical advice from former Playboy Playmates on FB to governments bowing to social pressure and declaring something causes cancer because that's what everyone wants them to say. <sigh>

California's Prop 65 cancer advisories are absolutely looney. EVERYTHING causes cancer in California. If you went by their advisories to avoid carcinogens, you'd live by yourself under a tree on a mountain top in a full biochemical protection suit and consume nothing but boiled rain water collected in an organically constructed still.

NorthCascades

I don't want weeds growing out of my ears!

The_Enginerd

AnvilHead wrote: »

Aaron_K123 wrote: »

This kind of thing is infuriating. Ignores the science completely or politicians cherry picking whatever data supports their narrative and the public piling on ignoring the recommendations of actual experts within the area. California just decided that glyphosate causes cancer despite there being no clear evidence that it does nor any clear explanation as to how it even could...

kimny72 wrote: »

It was just a matter of time before we made the leap from people getting medical advice from former Playboy Playmates on FB to governments bowing to social pressure and declaring something causes cancer because that's what everyone wants them to say. <sigh>

California's Prop 65 cancer advisories are absolutely looney. EVERYTHING causes cancer in California. If you went by their advisories to avoid carcinogens, you'd live by yourself under a tree on a mountain top in a full biochemical protection suit and consume nothing but boiled rain water collected in an organically constructed still.

They are the epitome of crying wolf. Nobody pays any attention to them.

CA just doesn't want anybody to be happy.

The_Enginerd

newmeadow wrote: »

Scott The Truck Driver just posted a 48 minute video on this subject and he's burning with passion on the issue. I wish he'd come here and debate because he'd be throwing around kittens left and right and he wouldn't take any kitten from anybody here.

I know when I want advice based on sound scientific judgement, I look to some wanna-be YouTube star instead of doctors and scientist who have spent years of their lives being educated, working in the field, and conducting and reviewing research.