If You Eat Cookies, Cakes, Ice Cream Daily Do You Consider Yourself Dieting?
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lantana411 wrote: »Just want to remind you that I started this to better understand the reason why people log dessert or refined carb/sugar foods - were they trying to lose weight or track intake or what. It wasn't a thinly veiled hateful statement - it was a question to better understand. I didn't pass judgement on others and even stated that while I eat mostly lean protein and produce I'm not adverse to eating desserts, etc. as long as it doesn't start a binge for me. Thanks to those who shared their logic/goals in logging food. And for those who think I'm judgmental I feel for you - not my intention - I hope that whatever is causing you to make that assumption passes.
To be honest I don't see why you care in general what other people even eat on here?10 -
kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »ITUSGirl51 wrote: »My dinner was Cheez ITs and Peanut M&Ms because I’m stuck at work and so hungry for dinner with only a vending machine for options. I still have 218 more calories I can enjoy and be in a deficit. I’m not even hungry for them. No reason to blow off my entire day because I had to eat junk for dinner. I can still lose weight if I account for what I eat.
I pushed a lot of carts yesterday to help when the stockman called off. I burned around 4,400 calories for the whole day & only ate 1,800 calories yesterday. To account for the calories yesterday I ate a whole jar of cookie butter & it fit into my overall maintenance calories!
Big or small jar? BIG....OR....SMALL???? You're my hero either way.
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If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet19
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@lantana411
First: the word diets simply means what an organism consumes. A blue whales diet is mainly crill, a bull shark's diet is pretty much anything that moves. A humans diet, is what they eat. Which is why the term "good diets" and "bad diets" exist: eating that helps keep the body running well vs eating that inhibits optimal function.
Second: for the common use of the word diets. To diet (verb form), means to eat purposefully. Bodybuilders do "bulks" and "cuts", when bulking a person purposefully overeats (for thier TDEE) in order to be in a calorie surplus making it easiest to gain muscle mass. Yes, they are dieting. Thier diet is done to gain weight. I have a gentleman friend on here that won his battle against a stage 3 cancer, his dieting is to GAIN weight (he's 6'1" and down to 115lbs - chemo & radiation can do that). So dieting is eating for a purpose.
Third: There are many "diets" people do to lose weight. (most common dieting people do). One is very closely related to IIFMM (If It Fits My Macros), basically it's a diet based solely on CICO - If It Fits My Calories. What this is, is a diet plan where no foods are ever off limits. In a nutshell, eat anything you want, just keep it within your calorie budget. That means that for yesterday, my burger, the two cookies, and the chips were part of my diet, because they fit my calories. This also happens to be the diet most of us are on that have lost a substantial amount of weight (185lbs for me, so far), and have kept it off; it's easy to stick to. All that's really done is learning portion sizes (smaller portions of high calorie foods, larger portions of low calorie foods).
Forth: not logging is a big problem with people that cannot understand why they aren't seeing results. Log everything! Good days & bad, everything gets logged. My logs include beer, wine, cookies, fried foods, candy...as well as spinach leaves, cucumbers, grilled lean meats, veggies, fruit, pinto beans, and other foods normally seen as "healthy".9 -
kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »ITUSGirl51 wrote: »My dinner was Cheez ITs and Peanut M&Ms because I’m stuck at work and so hungry for dinner with only a vending machine for options. I still have 218 more calories I can enjoy and be in a deficit. I’m not even hungry for them. No reason to blow off my entire day because I had to eat junk for dinner. I can still lose weight if I account for what I eat.
I pushed a lot of carts yesterday to help when the stockman called off. I burned around 4,400 calories for the whole day & only ate 1,800 calories yesterday. To account for the calories yesterday I ate a whole jar of cookie butter & it fit into my overall maintenance calories!
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meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Even if you do none of these things, you are on a diet. You just don't know what it is.
Diet is just the collection of foods you eat. The items and volumes|mass of the things you eat comprise your diet.
The word diet is overloaded in the English language. It is both a noun or a verb depending on how it is used.
It means the traditional collections of things you eat, as I said above, or it can mean a more restricted diet, such as you describe.
Measuring really doesn't make a diet a diet. To mean what you mean, it's the limits imposed and followed.
Some can self-regulate and have a good intuitive sense about what, how much and how often to eat.
Others need more conscious effort to avoid weight gain.
Neither is superior or inferior to the other.6 -
tbright1965 wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Even if you do none of these things, you are on a diet. You just don't know what it is.
Diet is just the collection of foods you eat. The items and volumes|mass of the things you eat comprise your diet.
The word diet is overloaded in the English language. It is both a noun or a verb depending on how it is used.
It means the traditional collections of things you eat, as I said above, or it can mean a more restricted diet, such as you describe.
Measuring really doesn't make a diet a diet. To mean what you mean, it's the limits imposed and followed.
Some can self-regulate and have a good intuitive sense about what, how much and how often to eat.
Others need more conscious effort to avoid weight gain.
Neither is superior or inferior to the other.
Exactly this! I'm in maintenance, and I still log and track my calories. I don't limit what I eat or when, just how much. The only difference between now and when I was losing is my calorie goal - the mechanics of how I eat remain the same. I'm always "on a diet" - I eat every day 5 -
meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?2 -
WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?
No. I don't really want to live my life logging everything I eat...or counting calories.
I've learned how to eat in good portions and stuck with it subconsciously.13 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?
Absolutely. I have lost 100 lbs + twice now and gained it all back, and this time that must NOT happen. MFP is a permanent part of my life from here on out.17 -
tbright1965 wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Even if you do none of these things, you are on a diet. You just don't know what it is.
Diet is just the collection of foods you eat. The items and volumes|mass of the things you eat comprise your diet.
The word diet is overloaded in the English language. It is both a noun or a verb depending on how it is used.
It means the traditional collections of things you eat, as I said above, or it can mean a more restricted diet, such as you describe.
Measuring really doesn't make a diet a diet. To mean what you mean, it's the limits imposed and followed.
Some can self-regulate and have a good intuitive sense about what, how much and how often to eat.
Others need more conscious effort to avoid weight gain.
Neither is superior or inferior to the other.
If I have to be particular with wording then " if you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, measuring and logging then you are dieting". And that sounds like being on a strict diet to me having to do that everyday and being accurate with it in order to lose weight otherwise it won't work.15 -
I have not cut out ANY food, just cut back on quantity. I tried it other ways and feel like this way is the only one that will work for me. I am not depriving myself of anything. That said, too much of the cake and cookies, etc., makes it hard to feel satisfied because they use up so many calories. I usually eat more protein and veggies, but if I want a piece of cake, it will be a smaller one than I used to eat and still leave me with a calorie deficit. I've lost 89# in 13 months, so yeah, I guess it works for me.9
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If I were going to question someone's logging, I might wonder why they bother logging one calorie of arugula. But it's none of my business, so I won't.
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Kathryn247 wrote: »If I were going to question someone's logging, I might wonder why they bother logging one calorie of arugula. But it's none of my business, so I won't.
I've been know to log 8 cals of spinach just for the vit K.17 -
meagan8376 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?
No. I don't really want to live my life logging everything I eat...or counting calories.
I've learned how to eat in good portions and stuck with it subconsciously.
Congratulations. It's so nice of you to still hang around with all us flawed human beings who need to monitor our intake. You probably don't need to keep track of deposits and withdrawals from your financial accounts either, and can just stay in the black through subconsciously making good spending choices. I'm in awe; I still have to balance my accounts occasionally.29 -
Yeah, I've done that, too - twice. Once I maintained for six months before I gained it all back, and once my subconscious stood by me for about two years before my weight started climbing again. I noticed that you've been on MFP for four months: how long has your subconscious been successfully monitoring your portion sizes for you?meagan8376 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?
No. I don't really want to live my life logging everything I eat...or counting calories.
I've learned how to eat in good portions and stuck with it subconsciously.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?
No. I don't really want to live my life logging everything I eat...or counting calories.
I've learned how to eat in good portions and stuck with it subconsciously.
Congratulations. It's so nice of you to still hang around with all us flawed human beings who need to monitor our intake. You probably don't need to keep track of deposits and withdrawals from your financial accounts either, and can just stay in the black through subconsciously making good spending choices. I'm in awe; I still have to balance my accounts occasionally.
Thank you recognizing . 💅🏼
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meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
No. You've simply made a lifestyle change. After a while it doesn't take so much thinking. You just do it naturally as your regular way of life.7 -
Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
Yeah, I've done that, too - twice. Once I maintained for six months before I gained it all back, and once my subconscious stood by me for about two years before my weight started climbing again. I noticed that you've been on MFP for four months: how long has your subconscious been successfully monitoring your portion sizes for you?meagan8376 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?
No. I don't really want to live my life logging everything I eat...or counting calories.
I've learned how to eat in good portions and stuck with it subconsciously.
I learned better eating habits when I initially started my weight loss journey years ago and lost 30lbs. I just learned not to fill my plate to the max and stop eating when my stomach felt too full unlike before.12 -
meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
No. You've simply made a lifestyle change. After a while it doesn't take so much thinking. You just do it naturally as your regular way of life.
There's nothing wrong with that at all. I just don't see it that way I rather not look at numbers and have that on my mind at all after weight loss. Like I just want to move on from all that. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with using mfp as a tool to help you maintain after weight loss but to me it's a form of dieting still. IMO.8 -
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lantana411 wrote: »I'm surprised at how many people eat cookies, croissants, ice cream, cake, chips, etc. on a daily or near-daily basis BUT LOG THEIR FOOD! I want to know - is it because they consider themselves dieting or getting ready to diet? Is this why people who diet are considered 'eating cleanly'? What do you do and what do you consider it? If you stay within your calories but drink/snack them away instead of eating meals is it dieting?
Happily, I'm free to eat whatever I want. And if I want to lose weight ... I simply eat fewer calories than I burn.lantana411 wrote: »But some people seem to eat dessert every day.
Absolutely!! I lost 25 kg eating dessert every day. 12 -
There is a clean eating group on MFP. Perhaps the OP might feel right at home there.7
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lantana411 wrote: »I'm surprised at how many people eat cookies, croissants, ice cream, cake, chips, etc. on a daily or near-daily basis BUT LOG THEIR FOOD! I want to know - is it because they consider themselves dieting or getting ready to diet? Is this why people who diet are considered 'eating cleanly'? What do you do and what do you consider it? If you stay within your calories but drink/snack them away instead of eating meals is it dieting?
@lantana411 diet in the sense is not just one way of eating. In my case I eat in a way that improves my health markers for enhancing longevity odds. If you want to call my WOE a diet it would get labeled Low Carb High Fat and or Keto since most days I keep my carbs down to about 50 grams a day but I only track my weight each morning. After losing 50 pounds the first year on my WOE I have maintained that loss for three year without knowing my calorie count since it is not a factor. I just eat all that I want when I want it.
One can live eating totally 'uncleanly' for some unknown time. One can live eating totally 'cleanly' for some unknown time.
It all boils down to personal goals as to how we eat and log. Find the WOE that works for you and do not give any thought to how the rest of us eat. At least that works well in my case.12 -
Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
Yeah, I've done that, too - twice. Once I maintained for six months before I gained it all back, and once my subconscious stood by me for about two years before my weight started climbing again. I noticed that you've been on MFP for four months: how long has your subconscious been successfully monitoring your portion sizes for you?meagan8376 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?
No. I don't really want to live my life logging everything I eat...or counting calories.
I've learned how to eat in good portions and stuck with it subconsciously.
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I’ll admit to some forum stalking because this thread has been bugging me all week. OP has had WLS which seems to have contributed to her demonizing of food and then judging others’ choices.19
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I’ll admit to some forum stalking because this thread has been bugging me all week. OP has had WLS which seems to have contributed to her demonizing of food and then judging others’ choices.
Good point ... from what I understand people who have had WLS have some additional restrictions with regard to diet.6 -
Do you know whether those restrictions include sugary/high-fat desserts? If so, that would certainly help my understanding of OP's response to seeing a "Sundae Lunch" in someone's food diary.I’ll admit to some forum stalking because this thread has been bugging me all week. OP has had WLS which seems to have contributed to her demonizing of food and then judging others’ choices.
Good point ... from what I understand people who have had WLS have some additional restrictions with regard to diet.
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Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
Do you know whether those restrictions include sugary/high-fat desserts? If so, that would certainly help my understanding of OP's response to seeing a "Sundae Lunch" in someone's food diary.I’ll admit to some forum stalking because this thread has been bugging me all week. OP has had WLS which seems to have contributed to her demonizing of food and then judging others’ choices.
Good point ... from what I understand people who have had WLS have some additional restrictions with regard to diet.
No idea. I've never looked into WLS ... a cousin did, and I just remember her saying something about small meals and some other restrictions.
But speaking of a "Sundae Lunch" ... I ate half a cheesecake for lunch on my birthday in 2015 (the year I was losing weight) ... and logged it.
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WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?
Well I am not Meagan ( obviously!) but my answer is Yes, I have continued to count calories and log them in maitenance
Admittedly in loose aproximate way, I make no claims to doing exact tight logging - but good enough to keep me accountable and on track and therefore my weight stable.
If this means to some people that I am on a diet, so be it.
I wouldn't view it that way myself - but again, back to semantics of meaning of 'diet'
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