If You Eat Cookies, Cakes, Ice Cream Daily Do You Consider Yourself Dieting?
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"In politics, a diet is a formal deliberative assembly. The term is mainly used historically for the Imperial Diet, the general assembly of the Imperial Estates of the Holy Roman Empire, and for the legislative bodies of certain countries. Modern usage mainly relates to the Kokkai of Japan, called "Diet" in English, or the German Bundestag, the Federal Diet."
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My own personal favorite Diet is the Diet of Worms.12 -
lantana411 wrote: »Just want to remind you that I started this to better understand the reason why people log dessert or refined carb/sugar foods - were they trying to lose weight or track intake or what. It wasn't a thinly veiled hateful statement - it was a question to better understand. I didn't pass judgement on others and even stated that while I eat mostly lean protein and produce I'm not adverse to eating desserts, etc. as long as it doesn't start a binge for me. Thanks to those who shared their logic/goals in logging food. And for those who think I'm judgmental I feel for you - not my intention - I hope that whatever is causing you to make that assumption passes.
Do you log those desserts?
It's hard to understand what you are trying to say. Either it's why would people eat 'bad' food or why would they bother logging it. Why wouldn't you log some things and not others!3 -
It seems like OP is either taking a judgemental look at a food diary of someone who has learned to incorporate everyday treats, or is taking a judgemental look at a diary of someone who eats mostly everyday treats and very few to no nutritionally dense foods.
If it's the first, that's a jerk move which people have already gone over with a fine tooth comb. If it's the second, it's a double jerk move. Logging can be one of the fundamental habits in helping you lose weight because it lets you track CICO and it helps you figure out what works and what doesn't. There are people who grew up in household where "junk" food was the norm and there wasn't exposure to a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables. These people grew up to be adults that needed to feed themselves and ate what they knew. Those same people may be on a journey to make a change. What's the best way to make a big, lasting change? With smaller and more manageable habits. Those diaries that OP may be judging are people who are simply getting in the habit of logging there food. Or, they are in the habit of logging and are simply working towards eating less. Either way, it's they're journey and they're choice as to what to eat. If someone wants to eat they're days calories in pizza, that's their choice. If you looked at someone's log and they were eating only beans and rice would you judge then as harshly? It's "healthy" foods. it can be considered eating clean, but it's not nutritionally diverse.
No matter how you slice it, judging other people's food choices is a dick move. Unless you come to someone with genuine concern about their health or they asked for your advice, then you don't get to have a voiced opinion about what they eat.
I'm fitting in a Dunkin Donut's Apple Crisp Donut & a small (wish it could be a large, but can't justify 1,360 calories at least today) for a Dairy Queen Reese's Outrageous Blizzard.8 -
kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »ITUSGirl51 wrote: »My dinner was Cheez ITs and Peanut M&Ms because I’m stuck at work and so hungry for dinner with only a vending machine for options. I still have 218 more calories I can enjoy and be in a deficit. I’m not even hungry for them. No reason to blow off my entire day because I had to eat junk for dinner. I can still lose weight if I account for what I eat.
I pushed a lot of carts yesterday to help when the stockman called off. I burned around 4,400 calories for the whole day & only ate 1,800 calories yesterday. To account for the calories yesterday I ate a whole jar of cookie butter & it fit into my overall maintenance calories!
Big or small jar? BIG....OR....SMALL???? You're my hero either way.
It was about 397 calories (some weight is from the jar I forgot to weight after) so about 2,000 calories of Cookie Butter.
Well I am still going to get the Dairy Queen Blizzard, but average it out over the course of the week (I've found I do well with eating more on a certain day & then just averaging the rest of my calories out during the rest of the week).5 -
kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »It seems like OP is either taking a judgemental look at a food diary of someone who has learned to incorporate everyday treats, or is taking a judgemental look at a diary of someone who eats mostly everyday treats and very few to no nutritionally dense foods.
If it's the first, that's a jerk move which people have already gone over with a fine tooth comb. If it's the second, it's a double jerk move. Logging can be one of the fundamental habits in helping you lose weight because it lets you track CICO and it helps you figure out what works and what doesn't. There are people who grew up in household where "junk" food was the norm and there wasn't exposure to a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables. These people grew up to be adults that needed to feed themselves and ate what they knew. Those same people may be on a journey to make a change. What's the best way to make a big, lasting change? With smaller and more manageable habits. Those diaries that OP may be judging are people who are simply getting in the habit of logging there food. Or, they are in the habit of logging and are simply working towards eating less. Either way, it's they're journey and they're choice as to what to eat. If someone wants to eat they're days calories in pizza, that's their choice. If you looked at someone's log and they were eating only beans and rice would you judge then as harshly? It's "healthy" foods. it can be considered eating clean, but it's not nutritionally diverse.
No matter how you slice it, judging other people's food choices is a dick move. Unless you come to someone with genuine concern about their health or they asked for your advice, then you don't get to have a voiced opinion about what they eat.
I'm fitting in a Dunkin Donut's Apple Crisp Donut & a small (wish it could be a large, but can't justify 1,360 calories at least today) for a Dairy Queen Reese's Outrageous Blizzard.
Hell yeah!! You rock! I usually go for the heath blizzard. Tonight I'm fitting in Thai food. And probably an ice cream cone. Actually, a custard because yummy and I'm under my calories for the week.
And in case anyone wants to judge me, I've lost 30.9 pounds while still fitting in and logging the occasional pizza and Chinese food plus having dessert most nights. Because I want to live my full life.7 -
meagan8376 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?
No. I don't really want to live my life logging everything I eat...or counting calories.
I've learned how to eat in good portions and stuck with it subconsciously.
Sure, unfortunately most people are not good at intuitive eating, no matter how well they think they’ve mastered portion control. Others find that continuing to log in maintenance, even for a period of time, enables you to have that numerical confirmation that you won’t exceed your TDEE.
I prefer to use the tools that are available to me which ensure my success. There are lots of things I could do in life on my own - but choosing to rely on the tools and support available doesn’t diminish my experience or detract from my confidence in my results.20 -
WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?
No. I don't really want to live my life logging everything I eat...or counting calories.
I've learned how to eat in good portions and stuck with it subconsciously.
There are lots of things I could do in life on my own - but choosing to rely on the tools and support available doesn’t diminish my experience or detract from my confidence in my results.
Well said
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kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »It seems like OP is either taking a judgemental look at a food diary of someone who has learned to incorporate everyday treats, or is taking a judgemental look at a diary of someone who eats mostly everyday treats and very few to no nutritionally dense foods.
If it's the first, that's a jerk move which people have already gone over with a fine tooth comb. If it's the second, it's a double jerk move. Logging can be one of the fundamental habits in helping you lose weight because it lets you track CICO and it helps you figure out what works and what doesn't. There are people who grew up in household where "junk" food was the norm and there wasn't exposure to a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables. These people grew up to be adults that needed to feed themselves and ate what they knew. Those same people may be on a journey to make a change. What's the best way to make a big, lasting change? With smaller and more manageable habits. Those diaries that OP may be judging are people who are simply getting in the habit of logging there food. Or, they are in the habit of logging and are simply working towards eating less. Either way, it's they're journey and they're choice as to what to eat. If someone wants to eat they're days calories in pizza, that's their choice. If you looked at someone's log and they were eating only beans and rice would you judge then as harshly? It's "healthy" foods. it can be considered eating clean, but it's not nutritionally diverse.
No matter how you slice it, judging other people's food choices is a dick move. Unless you come to someone with genuine concern about their health or they asked for your advice, then you don't get to have a voiced opinion about what they eat.
I'm fitting in a Dunkin Donut's Apple Crisp Donut & a small (wish it could be a large, but can't justify 1,360 calories at least today) for a Dairy Queen Reese's Outrageous Blizzard.
Hell yeah!! You rock! I usually go for the heath blizzard. Tonight I'm fitting in Thai food. And probably an ice cream cone. Actually, a custard because yummy and I'm under my calories for the week.
And in case anyone wants to judge me, I've lost 30.9 pounds while still fitting in and logging the occasional pizza and Chinese food plus having dessert most nights. Because I want to live my full life.
Ugh they didn't have anymore of the Apple Crisp Donut, but the Reese's Outrageous Blizzard was amazing! So much peanut buttery goodness.3 -
People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.76
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QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
No. "Burning" is "O".10 -
QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
Um ok? Funny how it worked for me to originally go from 300+ pounds to 150 in 1.5 years. Also funnier how it's again working for me going from around 225 to 210 in the course of a month or so.16 -
QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
“Virtue” has nothing to do with it. People do what works best for them, and so long as you are in a calorie deficit, you will lose.12 -
QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
If CICO has been disproved we could use your help in the gaining section, there are underweight and people trying to gain on 5000+ cals that are having a hard time, if it's just carbs or certain foods they have to eat to gain how simple that would be and they would love to know the secret so they don't have to stuff their faces19 -
QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
If CICO has been disproved we could use your help in the gaining section, there are underweight and people trying to gain on 5000+ cals that are having a hard time, if it's just carbs or certain foods they have to eat to gain how simple that would be and they would love to know the secret so they don't have to stuff their faces
I guess I should be obese. I basically only eat white carbs and some protein (low fat/low fiber for medical reasons). Being 106/5'8 only tolerating around 800 calories a day at most I should be gaining because of all the carbs instead of being severely underweight.21 -
QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
In my experience, it is the "clean eaters" who tend towards espousing theirs as the more virtuous diet.25 -
singingflutelady wrote: »QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
If CICO has been disproved we could use your help in the gaining section, there are underweight and people trying to gain on 5000+ cals that are having a hard time, if it's just carbs or certain foods they have to eat to gain how simple that would be and they would love to know the secret so they don't have to stuff their faces
I guess I should be obese. I basically only eat white carbs and some protein (low fat/low fiber for medical reasons). Being 106/5'8 only tolerating around 800 calories a day at most I should be gaining because of all the carbs instead of being severely underweight.
Yea if only it were that easy.
That must be so difficult. Sending you lots of hugs!5 -
This thread is so liberating. It's actually made me feel better about eating and logging calorie dense foods. I still have some residual, ultimately useless guilt from decades of moral lecturing from all quarters about foods labelled junk, bad and lethal, which sometimes makes me embarrassed to log those things, but really I would just be doing myself a disservice if I didn't log everything. I'm the one eating it, after all. So I've prelogged my Macdo Monday. I shall be having a sundae lunch and a Mcflurry dinner. And I shall jolly well enjoy every last spoonful.35
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QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
The difference in how many calories it requires to digest different foods is real but trivial for most people. Not to mention that you're simply wrong in that fat requires fewer calories to digest than carbs.
CICO means "calories in, calories out," which includes the thermic effect of food - that's part of the calculation. CICO in practice is always an estimate since there's no way to know exactly how many calories you are burning moment to moment unless you live in a lab and consume food marked with isotopes. But that doesn't mean it isn't a useful estimate.14 -
QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
?? "Virtuous" What does that have to do with anything?
You can feel as "virtuous" as you want eating whatever you feel is worthy in the way of food, but if you're not in a calorie deficit you won't lose weight, if that's your goal. All the woo in the world won't change the math.
If you will post the research that shows how CICO has been disproved, I would be interested. I've lost 50 lbs without restricting anything except calories, so I'm curious what might have caused my loss if not a calorie deficit.18 -
Huh? By whom?QuilterInVA wrote: »CICO has been disproved.
It’s the only thing that’s worked for me and it worked brilliantly.
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Millicent3015 wrote: »This thread is so liberating. It's actually made me feel better about eating and logging calorie dense foods. I still have some residual, ultimately useless guilt from decades of moral lecturing from all quarters about foods labelled junk, bad and lethal, which sometimes makes me embarrassed to log those things, but really I would just be doing myself a disservice if I didn't log everything. I'm the one eating it, after all. So I've prelogged my Macdo Monday. I shall be having a sundae lunch and a Mcflurry dinner. And I shall jolly well enjoy every last spoonful.
I'm so happy to read this. Letting go of the good and bad labels on foods was probably the most liberating thing that I have learned from these forums. It ended years of guilt and shame cycles that just have no place in dietary choices.15 -
For me, this is the whole magic of tracking my food.Millicent3015 wrote: »This thread is so liberating. It's actually made me feel better about eating and logging calorie dense foods. I still have some residual, ultimately useless guilt from decades of moral lecturing from all quarters about foods labelled junk, bad and lethal, which sometimes makes me embarrassed to log those things, but really I would just be doing myself a disservice if I didn't log everything. I'm the one eating it, after all. So I've prelogged my Macdo Monday. I shall be having a sundae lunch and a Mcflurry dinner. And I shall jolly well enjoy every last spoonful.
So, there I am, face to face with some sort of wildly tempting Calorie-Dense Edible. I figure I have three choices -
1) I can eat it but not log it in, knowing that I will be lying to my food diary and myself.
2) I can eat it and log it in, knowing that I will either need to cut back at other meals or accept going over on some of my goals.
3) I can choose not to eat it.
Morally, I consider each of these to be about the same, because lying to myself harms no one but the liar. Emotionally, I prefer to avoid #1, because I have been sometimes been harmed by the lies of that particular liar; and I don't like to remind myself of it.
Choosing between #2 and #3 focuses my mind on the question of just how much I want to lose weight, and that of how much I want not to log that food item in. In reality, I probably choose #3 about 70% of the time.
That said, I have been keeping my diary closed because I didn't want anyone to see this meal:
So now I might as well go ahead and open it.
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QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
Well, except for all of those people (including myself) who lost weight doing just that.12 -
kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »It seems like OP is either taking a judgemental look at a food diary of someone who has learned to incorporate everyday treats, or is taking a judgemental look at a diary of someone who eats mostly everyday treats and very few to no nutritionally dense foods.
If it's the first, that's a jerk move which people have already gone over with a fine tooth comb. If it's the second, it's a double jerk move. Logging can be one of the fundamental habits in helping you lose weight because it lets you track CICO and it helps you figure out what works and what doesn't. There are people who grew up in household where "junk" food was the norm and there wasn't exposure to a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables. These people grew up to be adults that needed to feed themselves and ate what they knew. Those same people may be on a journey to make a change. What's the best way to make a big, lasting change? With smaller and more manageable habits. Those diaries that OP may be judging are people who are simply getting in the habit of logging there food. Or, they are in the habit of logging and are simply working towards eating less. Either way, it's they're journey and they're choice as to what to eat. If someone wants to eat they're days calories in pizza, that's their choice. If you looked at someone's log and they were eating only beans and rice would you judge then as harshly? It's "healthy" foods. it can be considered eating clean, but it's not nutritionally diverse.
No matter how you slice it, judging other people's food choices is a dick move. Unless you come to someone with genuine concern about their health or they asked for your advice, then you don't get to have a voiced opinion about what they eat.
I'm fitting in a Dunkin Donut's Apple Crisp Donut & a small (wish it could be a large, but can't justify 1,360 calories at least today) for a Dairy Queen Reese's Outrageous Blizzard.
Hell yeah!! You rock! I usually go for the heath blizzard. Tonight I'm fitting in Thai food. And probably an ice cream cone. Actually, a custard because yummy and I'm under my calories for the week.
And in case anyone wants to judge me, I've lost 30.9 pounds while still fitting in and logging the occasional pizza and Chinese food plus having dessert most nights. Because I want to live my full life.
Ugh they didn't have anymore of the Apple Crisp Donut, but the Reese's Outrageous Blizzard was amazing! So much peanut buttery goodness.
Well that blows. My favorite is always the old fashioned. I know, boring, but I love it. Ended up not having Thai but had delicious crab cakes. Now eating ice cream. I'm trying to figure out what to do with those last 300 calories. Maybe more I've cream!!
I'm glad you enjoyed your sinful food.3 -
I'm having pizza for dinner because it fits in my calories and I want it. I'm not sure if I should feel virtuous for staying within my calorie allowance or sinful because pizza.
I'm also having a glass of wine. I guess I'm going straight to hell.12 -
I'm having pizza for dinner because it fits in my calories and I want it. I'm not sure if I should feel virtuous for staying within my calorie allowance or sinful because pizza.
I'm also having a glass of wine. I guess I'm going straight to hell.
I had pizza for lunch - way too much pizza! Now it's 8:40pm and I'm still not hungry so guess I'll be staying within my calories, too. Virtuously sinful?
Wine sounds good.7 -
jennifer_417 wrote: »QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
Well, except for all of those people (including myself) who lost weight doing just that.
We could blow her mind.
I'm a type 1 diabetic. I lost the most amount of weight, and had the best blood sugar control, while eating 60 percent of my calories from carbs. Delicious, delicious carbs.16 -
I'm having pizza for dinner because it fits in my calories and I want it. I'm not sure if I should feel virtuous for staying within my calorie allowance or sinful because pizza.
I'm also having a glass of wine. I guess I'm going straight to hell.I'm having pizza for dinner because it fits in my calories and I want it. I'm not sure if I should feel virtuous for staying within my calorie allowance or sinful because pizza.
I'm also having a glass of wine. I guess I'm going straight to hell.
I had pizza for lunch - way too much pizza! Now it's 8:40pm and I'm still not hungry so guess I'll be staying within my calories, too. Virtuously sinful?
Wine sounds good.
I'll save seats for you in my handbasket/bus. It's going to be a big crowd. But we have all the good foods.13 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »I'm having pizza for dinner because it fits in my calories and I want it. I'm not sure if I should feel virtuous for staying within my calorie allowance or sinful because pizza.
I'm also having a glass of wine. I guess I'm going straight to hell.I'm having pizza for dinner because it fits in my calories and I want it. I'm not sure if I should feel virtuous for staying within my calorie allowance or sinful because pizza.
I'm also having a glass of wine. I guess I'm going straight to hell.
I had pizza for lunch - way too much pizza! Now it's 8:40pm and I'm still not hungry so guess I'll be staying within my calories, too. Virtuously sinful?
Wine sounds good.
I'll save seats for you in my handbasket/bus. It's going to be a big crowd. But we have all the good foods.
One of my main criteria for vacation destinations is good food, so I'm in!
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WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »If you have to think daily about the foods you eat, count calories, log....you're on a diet
Do you plan to continue to count calories and log after you’ve reached your weight loss goal and transition to maintenance?
No. I don't really want to live my life logging everything I eat...or counting calories.
I've learned how to eat in good portions and stuck with it subconsciously.
Sure, unfortunately most people are not good at intuitive eating, no matter how well they think they’ve mastered portion control. Others find that continuing to log in maintenance, even for a period of time, enables you to have that numerical confirmation that you won’t exceed your TDEE.
I prefer to use the tools that are available to me which ensure my success. There are lots of things I could do in life on my own - but choosing to rely on the tools and support available doesn’t diminish my experience or detract from my confidence in my results.
I'm well aware of that I read the forums everyday and I never said anything was wrong with it just that IMO it is a form of dieting.
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