If You Eat Cookies, Cakes, Ice Cream Daily Do You Consider Yourself Dieting?
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paperpudding wrote: »I am still lost as to why it is somehow superior to maintain without using MFP than with using it.
What system worked for VUA21 is great for her - but not sure why it is more impressive than anyone who does it with using MFP.
It's not. At least IMHO, tools exist for a reason. I absolutely need my alarm clock to get out of bed on time, my grandfather never needed one as he woke up at about 5AM everyday naturally. It's no different than MFP, some people need this tool, some people don't, neither person is superior, we're just different.
Isn't that more impressive then being woken up by an alarm clock. I wish I could do that.
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meagan8376 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I am still lost as to why it is somehow superior to maintain without using MFP than with using it.
What system worked for VUA21 is great for her - but not sure why it is more impressive than anyone who does it with using MFP.
It's not. At least IMHO, tools exist for a reason. I absolutely need my alarm clock to get out of bed on time, my grandfather never needed one as he woke up at about 5AM everyday naturally. It's no different than MFP, some people need this tool, some people don't, neither person is superior, we're just different.
Isn't that more impressive then being woken up by an alarm clock. I wish I could do that.
Not if being woken by an alarm clock doesn't bother you 15 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I am still lost as to why it is somehow superior to maintain without using MFP than with using it.
What system worked for VUA21 is great for her - but not sure why it is more impressive than anyone who does it with using MFP.
It's not. At least IMHO, tools exist for a reason. I absolutely need my alarm clock to get out of bed on time, my grandfather never needed one as he woke up at about 5AM everyday naturally. It's no different than MFP, some people need this tool, some people don't, neither person is superior, we're just different.
Isn't that more impressive then being woken up by an alarm clock. I wish I could do that.
Not if being woken by an alarm clock doesn't bother you
Key word... impressive.18 -
meagan8376 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I am still lost as to why it is somehow superior to maintain without using MFP than with using it.
What system worked for VUA21 is great for her - but not sure why it is more impressive than anyone who does it with using MFP.
It's not. At least IMHO, tools exist for a reason. I absolutely need my alarm clock to get out of bed on time, my grandfather never needed one as he woke up at about 5AM everyday naturally. It's no different than MFP, some people need this tool, some people don't, neither person is superior, we're just different.
Isn't that more impressive then being woken up by an alarm clock. I wish I could do that.
Not if being woken by an alarm clock doesn't bother you
Key word... impressive.
No it is not.
It just means that your circumstances and your body clock align.
Now, if you were to tell me that you told your family to shut the *kitten* up every night at 6pm so that you could go to bed by 7pm so as to wake up at 5am without an alarm clock, then that would be impressive.... and dumb and un-necessary.
Because for the expense of an alarm clock you could enjoy some extra time with your loved ones, and go out, and party, and still get up at 5am.
BTW: my dog wakes up every morning at 6am. It is really funny when that becomes 5am when the daylight time changes. Is she impressive, or just a lovely witch? 21 -
meagan8376 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I am still lost as to why it is somehow superior to maintain without using MFP than with using it.
What system worked for VUA21 is great for her - but not sure why it is more impressive than anyone who does it with using MFP.
It's not. At least IMHO, tools exist for a reason. I absolutely need my alarm clock to get out of bed on time, my grandfather never needed one as he woke up at about 5AM everyday naturally. It's no different than MFP, some people need this tool, some people don't, neither person is superior, we're just different.
Isn't that more impressive then being woken up by an alarm clock. I wish I could do that.
Who would want to get up at 5am every single day. Who doesn't love a sleep in sometimes?
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Can I come to the party? I make a delicious sticky date pudding (with chocolate) smothered in caramel sauce.
Or hummingbird cake to match the pineapple of the pina coladas..8 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Can I come to the party? I make a delicious sticky date pudding (with chocolate) smothered in caramel sauce.
Or hummingbird cake to match the pineapple of the pina coladas..
Chocolate and caramel?
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meagan8376 wrote: »QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
Results of eating "crap", but maintaining a calorie deficit over 3 years (CICO). Carbs, fat, sugar (especially that processed white sugar!!!), are all part of my regular diet.
PS. I'm having Cookie Crisp cereal, and an apricot, and possibly a fruit roll-up (if any are left) for lunch day.
Do you think you can maintain your weight and continue to eat junk food without counting calories and using mfp as a tool to help you?
I log my food but I have developed strategies that help me maintain without logging. I prefer to only go without logging when I have to (like when I don't have an internet connection or when I have too much going on). I prefer to continue logging because it's more precise and I like hard measurable easy to manipulate data.
Do you have something against using any kind of tool, be it completely impractical (like trying to hammer a nail with your fist) to simply slightly less convenient (like switching channels manually without using the remote)? We use tools for all kinds of things without questioning the morality of it, I don't know why weight management is somehow more "virtuous" without tools.
To look at it in a different way, you use "clean eating" as a tool that works for you for weight management. Why is your tool more virtuous and impressive than doing it by logging?20 -
[/quote]Is there chocolate in any of that?
[/quote]Boiled Raisin Cake is killer-good with chocolate icing, and whether chocolate turns up in the Oatmeal-Everything cookies depends on whether there was any chocolate in my kitchen when I made them. But I can make up a pan (or three) of Triple Threat Chocolate Chip Brownies with Chocolate Frosting just for you. 
Can I get the recipe for those brownies?
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nutmegoreo wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Can I come to the party? I make a delicious sticky date pudding (with chocolate) smothered in caramel sauce.
Or hummingbird cake to match the pineapple of the pina coladas..
Chocolate and caramel?
Yes... Choc melted in to the pudding. Takes sticky date to another squidgy, delicious level
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meagan8376 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I am still lost as to why it is somehow superior to maintain without using MFP than with using it.
What system worked for VUA21 is great for her - but not sure why it is more impressive than anyone who does it with using MFP.
It's not. At least IMHO, tools exist for a reason. I absolutely need my alarm clock to get out of bed on time, my grandfather never needed one as he woke up at about 5AM everyday naturally. It's no different than MFP, some people need this tool, some people don't, neither person is superior, we're just different.
Isn't that more impressive then being woken up by an alarm clock. I wish I could do that.
Um, why??
I dont get why it is more impressive.
Surely using the tools that work for us is sensible - and what is impressive is results, not what tool we did or didnt use.
eg weight maitenance, punctuality at work, arriving at ones destination - not whether we used MFP, an alarm clock, a map
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- Mix up your favorite brownie batter (the richer and more decadent, the better).rikkejohnsenrij wrote: »
Can I get the recipe for those brownies?I can make up a pan (or three) of Triple Threat Chocolate Chip Brownies with Chocolate Frosting just for you.
- After mixing all* the other ingredients, add mini chocolate chips (about as many chocolate chips as you'd use in chocolate chip cookie dough, roughly 1/2 a bag for 9"x9" pan of brownies). (*Note: if your brownie batter is very stiff, it may be easier to add the chocolate chips about halfway through adding the flour.)
- After baking, frost with chocolate icing (the richer and more decadent, the better).
- Optional: for Quadruple Threat Brownies, decorate with chocolate sprinkles.
- Even more optional: going Quintuple Threat by putting chocolate-flavored mini-marshmallows on top.
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meagan8376 wrote: »Good!!! You look amazing. keeping the weight off is impressive in itself but you being able to do without it is worth boasting about. Not a lot of people could do it.
Most people probably shouldn't try and that is why boasting about the method would be unwise. If a person can make the transition to intuitive eating that is great but it doesn't mean the person who is careful and continues to log is any less accomplished. The important part is to find a healthy and effective means to lose weight and then keep it off. Encouraging people to think one way is better than another or more boast worthy is a bad idea.23 -
meagan8376 wrote: »Good!!! You look amazing. keeping the weight off is impressive in itself but you being able to do without it is worth boasting about. Not a lot of people could do it.
Most people probably shouldn't try and that is why boasting about the method would be unwise. If a person can make the transition to intuitive eating that is great but it doesn't mean the person who is careful and continues to log is any less accomplished. The important part is to find a healthy and effective means to lose weight and then keep it off. Encouraging people to think one way is better than another or more boast worthy is a bad idea.
Agreed. I have several areas in my life that require discipline and decision-making and effort. And it has been shown that we only have a certain amount of discipline to spend each day. Why waste my effort on trying to eat intuitively when I find logging effortless, and when I don't have as good a tool for the other stuff? What's impressive is figuring out where you need help in life, and where it's even available, and using it, so you can free yourself up to tackle the stuff you have to figure out on your own. So many people waste time fighting battles they don't have to!27 -
paperpudding wrote: »meagan8376 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I am still lost as to why it is somehow superior to maintain without using MFP than with using it.
What system worked for VUA21 is great for her - but not sure why it is more impressive than anyone who does it with using MFP.
It's not. At least IMHO, tools exist for a reason. I absolutely need my alarm clock to get out of bed on time, my grandfather never needed one as he woke up at about 5AM everyday naturally. It's no different than MFP, some people need this tool, some people don't, neither person is superior, we're just different.
Isn't that more impressive then being woken up by an alarm clock. I wish I could do that.
Um, why??
I dont get why it is more impressive.
Surely using the tools that work for us is sensible - and what is impressive is results, not what tool we did or didnt use.
eg weight maitenance, punctuality at work, arriving at ones destination - not whether we used MFP, an alarm clock, a map
To me, MFP is like a medical device. I used it to treat a condition, obesity, that was having clear negative effects on my health (i.e., high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and borderline insulin resistance). Now I continue to use it to keep that condition under control. I don’t see this as different than the fact that I will always need contacts/glasses. They are tools that help me live happily and healthily in this body.
Some people maintain without logging. They just go by the scale or by how their clothes fit. I prefer to keep logging, and to have a smaller maintenance range. I don’t think that maintaining using MFP is different than needing other medical devices, nor is any form of maintenance more impressive than any other. Getting to maintenance and staying there is impressive. How you stay there is personal preference.26 -
meagan8376 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I am still lost as to why it is somehow superior to maintain without using MFP than with using it.
What system worked for VUA21 is great for her - but not sure why it is more impressive than anyone who does it with using MFP.
It's not. At least IMHO, tools exist for a reason. I absolutely need my alarm clock to get out of bed on time, my grandfather never needed one as he woke up at about 5AM everyday naturally. It's no different than MFP, some people need this tool, some people don't, neither person is superior, we're just different.
Isn't that more impressive then being woken up by an alarm clock. I wish I could do that.
Same here! I have 2 alarm clocks to help me drag my butt out of bed!!! My phone and an old fashioned (very loud!) Big Ben style clock.4 -
So now, along with the OP's original heart-warming question, we have, "Can you really be proud of yourself if you don't eat intuitively?" Nice
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Can I come to the party? I make a delicious sticky date pudding (with chocolate) smothered in caramel sauce.
Or hummingbird cake to match the pineapple of the pina coladas..
You eat hummingbirds?
::sadface::
Not Googling. I don't need another lovely cake picture in my head. Is it coconutty and pineapple-y?4 -
meagan8376 wrote: »Good!!! You look amazing. keeping the weight off is impressive in itself but you being able to do without it is worth boasting about. Not a lot of people could do it.
Most people probably shouldn't try and that is why boasting about the method would be unwise. If a person can make the transition to intuitive eating that is great but it doesn't mean the person who is careful and continues to log is any less accomplished. The important part is to find a healthy and effective means to lose weight and then keep it off. Encouraging people to think one way is better than another or more boast worthy is a bad idea.
@NovusDies
That's why I try not to (I really hope I don't come off that way, my apologies if I do), if asked how I maintained or what my strategies are; of course I'll let people know. I got a lot of great advice on my journey (still do), some has worked for me some hasn't. The only advice I've ever gotten that's fairly universal is: find what works for you and don't quit.
Now as far as impressive: what I find impressive is those that have everything stacked against them and still succeed.
I'm a single mom, I'm in absolute control over what groceries are bought and what is cooked. I also don't have any medical issues that make losing weight even harder. I also live in a major city where I have access to everything and anything out there to help me. When people have families that do the grocery shopping, cook 1/2 the meals, are enablers, then have medical conditions that hinder weight loss on top of everything else....and still have success, too me that's much more impressive.24 -
Evelyn_Gorfram wrote: »
Thank you. That bolded part is the perfect response for when my Inner Naysayer looks down its nose at me and whines/taunts/demands:paperpudding wrote: »As someone who has maintained for nearly 5 years and who does not eat clean by any definition - I freely admit I may not be able to do that without (loosely) counting calories and using MFP as a tool to help me.
Does that matter?
I mean, the Internet is here to stay and I am not giving away my iPad and I don't think MFP is going to close down.
In other news I may not be able to wake up for work on time without my alarm clock, or manage my finances without a budget, or remember all my shopping without a shopping list or find my destination without a map or remember my place in a book without a bookmark.
For all those who can do above without the tools, that's great - but why the issue about using them indefinitely??
"You're really going to keep logging all of your food for the rest of your life?"
Maybe I will. Maybe I won't. But if I do, WTF is wrong with that?
I definitely will. The difference between a 45g carb meal which is safe for me and a 70g carb meal which is not can be a few, not very obvious, tweaks. I've gotten good at estimating things I eat all the time, but restaurants will surprise me.
Now, I can log like lightning, which I think is a little brag-worthy!13 -
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WinoGelato wrote: »
Every time someone else wearing judgypants showed up and started lecturing I laughed harder. The bogus science was just the chocolate icing on the boiled raisin cake (and that sounds delicious, is Grandma's recipe given to outsiders)?17 -
meagan8376 wrote: »QuilterInVA wrote: »People eat crap loaded with sugar and feel virtuous because they are in a calorie deficit. Actually what you eat is more important. Protein requires more calories to burn than fat, followed by fat, with carbs a poor third. CICO has been disproved.
Results of eating "crap", but maintaining a calorie deficit over 3 years (CICO). Carbs, fat, sugar (especially that processed white sugar!!!), are all part of my regular diet.
PS. I'm having Cookie Crisp cereal, and an apricot, and possibly a fruit roll-up (if any are left) for lunch day.
Do you think you can maintain your weight and continue to eat junk food without counting calories and using mfp as a tool to help you?
Habits are created over time. Habits create your lifestyle. Small changes lead to big changes. Personally, I firmly believe that logging your food and tracking your calories can be the basis for healthy change in your body, whether it's losing weight or gaining muscle.
So if someone has made it a habit to track their food and calorie intake to help create a healthier body, why would they give up that habit? If not tracking helped to gain and maintain an unreality body, why wouldn't the inverse also hold true? Do we think professional athletes aren't, at least loosely, tracking what goes into their body? If someone who is in peak physical condition has to do it, why would the average person be able to get away with not tracking?
Granted, there are people who can intuitively eat and I am not knocking their experience. But why *kitten* on someone's parade because they are using, as someone else so elegantly put, a too that helped them be successful, because they want to continue to be successful.
I know this seems like a secondary argument to be upset about but it's really the same thing that OP was pissy about. "They aren't losing/maintaining weight the same way I am. Obviously they are wrong. Let me publicly shame them so I can feel superior and everyone will see how wrong they are. Everyone will see how right and amazing I am and they'll all flock to me with adoration and applause."
That's a fine looking high horse. What ya got in the stable?
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I just love that this "judgypants" thread has taken such a swerve into FavoriteTreatville.WinoGelato wrote: »
Every time someone else wearing judgypants showed up and started lecturing I laughed harder. The bogus science was just the chocolate icing on the boiled raisin cake (and that sounds delicious, is Grandma's recipe given to outsiders)?
And of course you can have Grandma's recipe. I'll put it up in the Recipes section (probably not until this evening), and post a link here.
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WinoGelato wrote: »
Every time someone else wearing judgypants showed up and started lecturing I laughed harder. The bogus science was just the chocolate icing on the boiled raisin cake (and that sounds delicious, is Grandma's recipe given to outsiders)?
"Judgypants" is my new favorite word. I imagine that they look fabulous, and are so uncomfortable that you can't sit down in them.25 -
Judgypants. Perfect. Like.5
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WinoGelato wrote: »
Every time someone else wearing judgypants showed up and started lecturing I laughed harder. The bogus science was just the chocolate icing on the boiled raisin cake (and that sounds delicious, is Grandma's recipe given to outsiders)?
"Judgypants" is my new favorite word. I imagine that they look fabulous, and are so uncomfortable that you can't sit down in them.
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WinoGelato wrote: »
Every time someone else wearing judgypants showed up and started lecturing I laughed harder. The bogus science was just the chocolate icing on the boiled raisin cake (and that sounds delicious, is Grandma's recipe given to outsiders)?
"Judgypants" is my new favorite word. I imagine that they look fabulous, and are so uncomfortable that you can't sit down in them.
Where is that awesome button when you need it?16 -
Given the stats on regaining weight after losing, anyone who can maintain their loss by whatever means they use (assuming healthy means, of course) is very impressive!
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WinoGelato wrote: »
Every time someone else wearing judgypants showed up and started lecturing I laughed harder. The bogus science was just the chocolate icing on the boiled raisin cake (and that sounds delicious, is Grandma's recipe given to outsiders)?
"Judgypants" is my new favorite word. I imagine that they look fabulous, and are so uncomfortable that you can't sit down in them.
Are judgy pants related to Mom Jeans?
(Eats one egg for breakfast)
Mom: why are you starving yourself
(Eats two eggs for breakfast)
Mom: that's going to go straight to your hips.
(Single)
Mom: why can't you find someone nice, maybe if you just tried harder
(Dating)
Mom: I don't like them, why would you do that to me
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