WTH?@! body massage index
jeffjeff85
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Just clicked a link on this forum, bmi calculator says I'm obese. U wouldn't have thought so, but closer look says that for 5'9" height MAX weight is 77kg... Which is about 170 lbs! At 5'9"?@! Then pretty much everybody is obese.
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jeffjeff85 wrote: »Just clicked a link on this forum, bmi calculator says I'm obese. U wouldn't have thought so, but closer look says that for 5'9" height MAX weight is 77kg... Which is about 170 lbs! At 5'9"?@! Then pretty much everybody is obese.
Have you not heard? The BMI is for huge populations. Rock that muscular you!7 -
Yes for 5'9", 170 is overweight and 203 is obese.
A lot of people do not realize what's overweight and what's obese because being overweight has become normal.23 -
CDC says that in the US between 2013-2014 70.7% of the population was either overweight or obese. (20 yrs old and up)
I think since the majority of the population is overweight it makes it harder to distinguish what a healthy weight looks like.
I know years ago when I first hit the obese range, I didn’t feel that I looked obese. However looking back, I definitely did. Partly denial on my part and partly because being overweight/obese isn’t out of the norm.10 -
I may not have said that correctly. I weigh currently 213. The bmi thing said max 170, but if that's true then every MMA fighter I ever met was obese9
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Are you an MMA fighter? Of course there will be outliers.11
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Are you an MMA fighter? Of course there will be outliers.
Nope, shoulder injury took me out. Gained a LOT Aof weight due to medical treatments and meds, but on the way back.
Today, just shy if 5'10", 213 lbs, waist is 37 1/2 (4" more than "normal).6 -
jeffjeff85 wrote: »I may not have said that correctly. I weigh currently 213. The bmi thing said max 170, but if that's true then every MMA fighter I ever met was obese
It is not uncommon for athletes to be outliers. Athletes typically have more muscle mass than the average person. That said it doesn’t make the BMI range wrong for the average person. It just means athletes should also look to BF%.
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BMI works for a general population. There will always be outliers, but the majority of people will be fine within a healthy range.8
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jeffjeff85 wrote: »I may not have said that correctly. I weigh currently 213. The bmi thing said max 170, but if that's true then every MMA fighter I ever met was obese
It's known that a highly muscled person may end up on the wrong side of the BMI healthy weight range. Unfortunately that's not an issue for most people. BMI is an average over populations, and is a rough guide individuals can use along with several other measurements (like waist, hip to waist ratio, BF%, etc) to decide what their optimal weight would be.
Also 170lbs at 5'9" would be just barely overweight, not obese. For many people, getting to that upper edge of the normal range may be the right goal for them.3 -
Yeah, I'm guessing Arnold s doesn't fit the mold.... Bone density thing10
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jeffjeff85 wrote: »Yeah, I'm guessing Arnold s doesn't fit the mold.... Bone density thing
Steroid-using bodybuilders obviously weren’t a part of the population they considered when establishing the parameters for BMI.13 -
And then comes the fight with insurance companies to prove the higher BMI is not obesity. Perhaps, for you, body fat percentage would be a better yard stick.0
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nutmegoreo wrote: »And then comes the fight with insurance companies to prove the higher BMI is not obesity. Perhaps, for you, body fat percentage would be a better yard stick.
Yup. I never watched the scales, don't care if it says 185 or 205, long as it's healthy 'honest' weight. But the insurance thing is real. Still, I really do want (and intend) to drop this 20 that ISNT good weight
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jeffjeff85 wrote: »I may not have said that correctly. I weigh currently 213. The bmi thing said max 170, but if that's true then every MMA fighter I ever met was obese
You must be hanging out with some fat mma fighters. Even top athletes usually fall on the low end of the overweight range.
Randy Couture 6'1" 203.5 lbs 26.8 bmi
Matt Hughes 5'9" 170lbs 25.1bmi
Anderson Silva 6'2" 185lbs 23.8 bmi
George St Pierre 5'11" 184.5 25.7 bmi
Etc...10 -
There ya go... According to that bmi calc, Matt Hughes is obese13
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jeffjeff85 wrote: »There ya go... According to that bmi calc, Matt Hughes is obese
Obese is a BMI of 30 or more. 25.1 is literally ounces from a normal weight.13 -
jeffjeff85 wrote: »There ya go... According to that bmi calc, Matt Hughes is obese
Obese is defined as 30 or more by bmi
Matt Hughes is over 30 lbs away8 -
Is anybody concious here? More slowly...
Today I signed up. Clicked on bmi calc link FROM HERE. That calc says that somebody 5'9" tall and weighing 170 (77kg) is OBESE. I DIDNT SAY IT, the calc said it, why I thought was surprising and the reason I commented.
Is that clearer?
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Umm...no. :noway:jeffjeff85 wrote: »There ya go... According to that bmi calc, Matt Hughes is obese
25.1 is just barely considered overweight
18.5 to 24.9 is Healthy Range
25 to 29.9 is Overweight Range
30 to 34.9 is Class 1 Obese
35 to 39.9 is Class 2 Obese
40 + is Class 3 Obese
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jeffjeff85 wrote: »Is anybody concious here? More slowly...
Today I signed up. Clicked on bmi calc link FROM HERE. That calc says that somebody 5'9" tall and weighing 170 (77kg) is OBESE. I DIDNT SAY IT, the calc said it, why I thought was surprising and the reason I commented.
Is that clearer?
Don’t know what link you clicked, but MFPs BMI calculator puts 5’9 170lbs as just overweight.
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Don’t know what link you clicked, but MFPs BMI calculator puts 5’9 170lbs as just overweight.
That was my point, that the calculator on the link must be screwy. No matter.
I checked in to track some calories, since I never have ever done that, just eat what I like and I'm fine if not medicated and diet mandated by doctors.
Not sure how accurate it will be, since I see grilled chicken breast is 80 calories or just over 200, (????). No idea which is right.
But maybe this forum is much like any other forum, and I should just count my calories and go on about business.
You look good, shadow ... Stay at it .
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The database is mostly user sourced. So you do need to be careful of which entries you choose. Double check what you can against labels. Otherwise, I type in USDA as part of the search. Those entries tend to be better, but not guaranteed.6
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jeffjeff85 wrote: »Is anybody concious here? More slowly...
Today I signed up. Clicked on bmi calc link FROM HERE. That calc says that somebody 5'9" tall and weighing 170 (77kg) is OBESE. I DIDNT SAY IT, the calc said it, why I thought was surprising and the reason I commented.
Is that clearer?
Wait! slow down Hoss, we love pronouncements! You're good
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jeffjeff85 wrote: »Don’t know what link you clicked, but MFPs BMI calculator puts 5’9 170lbs as just overweight.
That was my point, that the calculator on the link must be screwy. No matter.
I checked in to track some calories, since I never have ever done that, just eat what I like and I'm fine if not medicated and diet mandated by doctors.
Not sure how accurate it will be, since I see grilled chicken breast is 80 calories or just over 200, (????). No idea which is right.
But maybe this forum is much like any other forum, and I should just count my calories and go on about business.
You look good, shadow ... Stay at it .
It's as accurate as you make it.
Your chicken breast may be 80 cals. It may be 200. It depends what it weighs.
Double check the database entries you use for accuracy, then make sure you're weighing everything you eat to ensure you're logging the right amount.
Weighing raw/uncooked is more accurate in most cases, but use the appropriate entry for the method you choose to use.11 -
Friend, you're confused. S'ok to be confused.
Don't *kitten* at the rest of the world though!
<to reduce confusion replace *kitten* with whatever you feel like doing to everyone on this forum>
I don't know where your internet fingers took you. Or what you think you read.
25+ is classified as overweight. 30+ as obese. If what you read said otherwise... it said wrong.
If you have not put in some serious training time, if you're not fairly tall (since BMI squares height it makes life a bit harder for tall people and sometimes provides unwarranted comfort to shorter people) and/or if you have not juiced recently or in the past... then BMI is quite likely to fairly depict your body composition.
As to database entries... they're a bit of a mess. But you can work with them: lots of us do!
Weigh your meat. Check out: https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/search/list and "filter" on "standard reference". See the wording used by the correct entry (raw, cooked, method of cooking)... and make sure you're selecting something similar and with similar values on MFP.
Best of luck!12 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »jeffjeff85 wrote: »Don’t know what link you clicked, but MFPs BMI calculator puts 5’9 170lbs as just overweight.
That was my point, that the calculator on the link must be screwy. No matter.
I checked in to track some calories, since I never have ever done that, just eat what I like and I'm fine if not medicated and diet mandated by doctors.
Not sure how accurate it will be, since I see grilled chicken breast is 80 calories or just over 200, (????). No idea which is right.
But maybe this forum is much like any other forum, and I should just count my calories and go on about business.
You look good, shadow ... Stay at it .
It's as accurate as you make it.
Your chicken breast may be 80 cals. It may be 200. It depends what it weighs.
Double check the database entries you use for accuracy, then make sure you're weighing everything you eat to ensure you're logging the right amount.
Weighing raw/uncooked is more accurate in most cases, but use the appropriate entry for the method you choose to use.
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jeffjeff85 wrote: »There ya go... According to that bmi calc, Matt Hughes is obese
No - if he has a BMI of 25.1 that is very barely overweight.
I dont know who he is or what mma fighting is - but if he is a young muscular man, a BMI of up to about 27 would still be healthy - so probably not even overweight when seen in context.
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L1zardQueen wrote: »jeffjeff85 wrote: »Just clicked a link on this forum, bmi calculator says I'm obese. U wouldn't have thought so, but closer look says that for 5'9" height MAX weight is 77kg... Which is about 170 lbs! At 5'9"?@! Then pretty much everybody is obese.
Have you not heard? The BMI is for huge populations. Rock that muscular you!
Next time you're at a public beach or pool look around. Notice the % of heavily muscled people who vs obviously fat and report back. If you're honest you will say there are few heavily muscled people there1 -
With respect, your waist measurement indicates that you are not necessarily an outlier as far as BMI.6
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Can you hear me in the back?@!
My waist size is unacceptable,hence the calorie count.
What has that to do with a "calculator" that says a 5'9" 170 lb guy is obese? That's ridiculous, but then so is the idea that I replied AGAIN!11
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