Anti-Inflammatory Diet for Rheumatoid Arthritis?

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  • TarryTaffy
    TarryTaffy Posts: 883 Member
    CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
    asthma is NOT considered an autoimmune disorder https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20477126 I have asthma you will lose weight doing CD and IF if you are in a calorie deficit. Ive done IF all my life and I even gained weight doing it because I ate more than I burned. I have asthma,RA and several other health issues and IF has NOT made any improvements to those things. blood tests can improve with just weight loss itself no matter how you eat. you cannot cure asthma or RA, you can treat those things but there are NO cures

    Not according to what I've found & we can go back & forth all day on quoting articles. I'm sorry you didn't have the same results, but my asthma was 50% improved in 3-days of Carnivore. I don't think I was as dedicated as I should have been, so I'm beginning again.

    I think you're right on calorie counting. I haven't done that, so will. My asthma also worsened with the weight gain... so it's important this time that I stick to it & do it right.

    "In summary, asthma is a heterogeneous disorder characterized by chronic inflammation of the respiratory airways that can be triggered by allergen exposure or by other mechanisms, possibly autoreactive/autoimmune. The autoimmune hypothesis is further, indirectly, supported by the response to immunosuppressive drugs."
  • Keto_Vampire
    Keto_Vampire Posts: 1,670 Member
    edited September 2018
    Fast120 wrote: »
    CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
    asthma is NOT considered an autoimmune disorder https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20477126 I have asthma you will lose weight doing CD and IF if you are in a calorie deficit. Ive done IF all my life and I even gained weight doing it because I ate more than I burned. I have asthma,RA and several other health issues and IF has NOT made any improvements to those things. blood tests can improve with just weight loss itself no matter how you eat. you cannot cure asthma or RA, you can treat those things but there are NO cures

    Not according to what I've found & we can go back & forth all day on quoting articles. I'm sorry you didn't have the same results, but my asthma was 50% improved in 3-days of Carnivore. I don't think I was as dedicated as I should have been, so I'm beginning again.

    I think you're right on calorie counting. I haven't done that, so will. My asthma also worsened with the weight gain... so it's important this time that I stick to it & do it right.

    "In summary, asthma is a heterogeneous disorder characterized by chronic inflammation of the respiratory airways that can be triggered by allergen exposure or by other mechanisms, possibly autoreactive/autoimmune. The autoimmune hypothesis is further, indirectly, supported by the response to immunosuppressive drugs."

    Yes, certain subtypes of Asthma are considered autoimmune based on the root underlying cause (admitted this is quite nebulous/seldom determined unless Dx'd by Pulmonologist).
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    Fast120 wrote: »
    CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
    asthma is NOT considered an autoimmune disorder https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20477126 I have asthma you will lose weight doing CD and IF if you are in a calorie deficit. Ive done IF all my life and I even gained weight doing it because I ate more than I burned. I have asthma,RA and several other health issues and IF has NOT made any improvements to those things. blood tests can improve with just weight loss itself no matter how you eat. you cannot cure asthma or RA, you can treat those things but there are NO cures

    Not according to what I've found & we can go back & forth all day on quoting articles. I'm sorry you didn't have the same results, but my asthma was 50% improved in 3-days of Carnivore. I don't think I was as dedicated as I should have been, so I'm beginning again.

    I think you're right on calorie counting. I haven't done that, so will. My asthma also worsened with the weight gain... so it's important this time that I stick to it & do it right.

    "In summary, asthma is a heterogeneous disorder characterized by chronic inflammation of the respiratory airways that can be triggered by allergen exposure or by other mechanisms, possibly autoreactive/autoimmune. The autoimmune hypothesis is further, indirectly, supported by the response to immunosuppressive drugs."

    umm what I linked to is NOT an article its a scientific study. and if your asthma improved it was probably due to cutting out things that triggered it. either allergens or foods you had allergies to you may not have thought to be allergic to. asthma seems worse the heavier you are because the extra weight puts a strain on your cardiovascular system your lungs have to work harder when you are overweight to get oxygen in. asthma is NOT a curable disease its a lung disease. you can treat your asthma and the symptoms and you cant ougrow it like once believed. the only way to get rid of asthma is maybe a lung transplant. dont you think if it was curable they would put people on a CD and IF?

    asthma is also considered to be caused by an overactive immune system-https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentID=123&ContentTypeID=134
    and its not curable-https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health-topics/asthma

    you do realize that asthma can also be hereditary right? which means that you cannot prevent it or cure it,if it runs in your family. you can prevent flare upsm,you can strenghten your lungs with exercise and breathing techniques(I have done this) but for some asthma may have seemed to go away or they may have no symptoms for years or decades and then one day they have an attack and can die. asthma is not a joke and nothing to mess with. Im glad you had less flare ups but 3 days is too early to tell anything.

    I would say its a coincidence/. It would be the same if you did an elimination diet it takes longer than 30 days for most people to notice what their allergies/intolerances are. I developed asthma at the age of 3 and still have it at 44. some develop it at a young age and some not until they are older. There are many causes. if you think your asthma was improved in 3 days with some diet maybe you need to contact the AMA,scientists and lung specialist so they can study you to see if said diet is the cause.Im being serious about that and not being a smart *kitten*

  • MikePfirrman
    MikePfirrman Posts: 3,307 Member
    edited September 2018
    I like Shawn Baker personally (got to know him from rowing, not nutrition), but his approach is very radical and has very little long-term data behind it.

    Think this is a very fair (and unbiased) review of some of Shawn's recent bloodwork, which you have to credit him for releasing for public analysis. It seems to work for Shawn for training, rowing world records and inflammation. Long term affect, who knows.

    People seem to gravitate toward Shawn because he's a doc, he's very open about what he's doing and he has had huge successes. But also understand, Shawn was a world class athlete BEFORE he went all carnivore. He set WR powerlifting records before being all carnivore. He was a semi pro rugby player also. The guy hardly morphed into some beast after going carnivore. He also trains absurdly hard. That is why he went all carnivore. Said it helped him to recover from his ridiculous training regimen. With that said, there's a ton of WR holders in rowing that aren't all carnivore and some don't have the build/athletic ability of Shawn and eat their fair share of veggies and carbs.

    http://cholesterolcode.com/thoughts-on-shawn-bakers-labs/
  • Chieflrg
    Chieflrg Posts: 9,097 Member
    I have RA and found that controlling my stress is the best thing I can do besides heavy lifting which allows me to be med free. Actually broke 4 powerlifting records days after my 49th birthday a couple weeks ago. Funny how I can't hold a cup of coffee in the morning, but I pull well over 500lbs off the floor.

    Diet doesn't effect me in the least & I eat alot of ice cream and pasteries every day.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    Chieflrg wrote: »
    I have RA and found that controlling my stress is the best thing I can do besides heavy lifting which allows me to be med free. Actually broke 4 powerlifting records days after my 49th birthday a couple weeks ago. Funny how I can't hold a cup of coffee in the morning, but I pull well over 500lbs off the floor.

    Diet doesn't effect me in the least & I eat alot of ice cream and pasteries every day.

    for me lifting has helped with the pain and the sore and tender spots. which are not sore and tender as long as I lift weights. if I go any length of time I feel it ten fold
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    Fast120 wrote: »
    Asthma is not familial in my case... I also didn't say I was cured in 3-days and/or didn't mean to give that impression... it was greatly lessened in 3-days, which was 8-wks ago. It continued improving, 'til I began adding in foods I now know, should have gone without. I'm not a respiratory doctor & am assuming you're not any kind of dr either... but, they're not the only ones who find cures. We all know such cases... I am, in fact, with separate former issues, now long gone.

    [...]

    You're right about weight gain & worsening asthma, at least in my case. And, thanks for the reminder to calorie count with CD. I wasn't, but today, after 10-lbs of weight gain in 2-mos... not what I wanted, I am back on strict CD & IF. I feel better already with IF... although, I'm a rare bird in that an empty stomach has always feel invigorating to me... I always thought it was due to lightheadedness, but I think it's just having more energy resources available for other things besides digestion. It was working, but I got sloppy & started drinking ale, making wine reduction sauces & eating potatoes. I think I need to be on it far longer before I can begin adding foods/drinks in & obviously, what I added back brought me back to square 1.

    Your asthma is very likely to have eased of its own accord, and increased in the same way, all unrelated to diet.

    The same goes for RI flares.

    Diet is not the cause or cure of all ills.
  • Speckle38
    Speckle38 Posts: 53 Member
    My brother has psoriatic arthritis, and although he was vegetarian for years, it has improved since he started eating meat. He is very fussy about meat quality - he doesn’t really enjoy it, which is why he was vegetarian in the first place, so he still eats a predominantly plant-based diet.
  • MikePfirrman
    MikePfirrman Posts: 3,307 Member
    https://www.arthritis.org/living-with-arthritis/arthritis-diet/anti-inflammatory/rheumatoid-arthritis-diet.php

    The diet that the Arthritis Foundation recommends is the Mediterranean Diet. That's backed by research.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    https://www.arthritis.org/living-with-arthritis/arthritis-diet/anti-inflammatory/rheumatoid-arthritis-diet.php

    The diet that the Arthritis Foundation recommends is the Mediterranean Diet. That's backed by research.

    it says a well balanced diet "The best approach to food for people with RA – or anyone else – is a well-balanced diet which, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, should be centered on plant-based foods. Approximately two-thirds of your diet should come from fruits, vegetables and whole grains. The other third should include low-fat dairy products and lean sources of protein."

    but then says this " One way to achieve this is to consider adopting a Mediterranean diet, which includes plenty of omega-3 fatty acids, fruits, vegetables and whole grains, the benefits of olive oil – even a glass of red wine if your doctor allows."
    but they are saying that is ONE way to acheive things, and for some it may not be the way to go. I have RA but I have a health issue where I have to eat low fat so even healthy fats I cant consume a lot of. If I eat too much fat for me it makes my RA worse. while this may work for the majority,it wont for everyone of course.and for many foods that are supposed to be foods that cause inflammation may not cause inflammation




  • MikePfirrman
    MikePfirrman Posts: 3,307 Member
    CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    https://www.arthritis.org/living-with-arthritis/arthritis-diet/anti-inflammatory/rheumatoid-arthritis-diet.php

    The diet that the Arthritis Foundation recommends is the Mediterranean Diet. That's backed by research.

    it says a well balanced diet "The best approach to food for people with RA – or anyone else – is a well-balanced diet which, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, should be centered on plant-based foods. Approximately two-thirds of your diet should come from fruits, vegetables and whole grains. The other third should include low-fat dairy products and lean sources of protein."

    but then says this " One way to achieve this is to consider adopting a Mediterranean diet, which includes plenty of omega-3 fatty acids, fruits, vegetables and whole grains, the benefits of olive oil – even a glass of red wine if your doctor allows."
    but they are saying that is ONE way to acheive things, and for some it may not be the way to go. I have RA but I have a health issue where I have to eat low fat so even healthy fats I cant consume a lot of. If I eat too much fat for me it makes my RA worse. while this may work for the majority,it wont for everyone of course.and for many foods that are supposed to be foods that cause inflammation may not cause inflammation




    You are right, I should have said WFPB, because no matter how you slice it, the vast preponderance of the evidence is that's the common theme. Some people's definition of WFPB is different than others but most define it as most of your volume/calories coming from vegetables. I tend to equate the Med Diet with WFPB, but it's slightly different as you pointed out.
  • vingogly
    vingogly Posts: 1,785 Member
    I've had problems on and off with gout over the past 30 years. I read about tart cherry juice for reducing the symptoms of gout. I've been taking two caps of tart cherry extract every morning (about 800mg) - since I started doing so, I haven't had any major attacks and whatever pain I've had has been minor. My doctor was skeptical that there was any connection with the cherry juice, and I have no proof that the lessened symptoms aren't due to some other change in my diet, but I figure it can't hurt even if it's only a placebo effect involved.

    http://blog.arthritis.org/living-with-arthritis/arthritis-diet-cherries
  • CarvedTones
    CarvedTones Posts: 2,340 Member
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    https://www.arthritis.org/living-with-arthritis/arthritis-diet/anti-inflammatory/rheumatoid-arthritis-diet.php

    The diet that the Arthritis Foundation recommends is the Mediterranean Diet. That's backed by research.

    Link to research, please. There isn't one in the article.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    vingogly wrote: »
    I've had problems on and off with gout over the past 30 years. I read about tart cherry juice for reducing the symptoms of gout. I've been taking two caps of tart cherry extract every morning (about 800mg) - since I started doing so, I haven't had any major attacks and whatever pain I've had has been minor. My doctor was skeptical that there was any connection with the cherry juice, and I have no proof that the lessened symptoms aren't due to some other change in my diet, but I figure it can't hurt even if it's only a placebo effect involved.

    http://blog.arthritis.org/living-with-arthritis/arthritis-diet-cherries

    with gout avoiding foods high in purines that cause flare ups and cause the uric acid in your blood to build up. hubby gets gout from too much pork but if he eats small amounts or avoids it altogether there is no issues or inflammation
  • MikePfirrman
    MikePfirrman Posts: 3,307 Member
    CarvedTones wrote: »
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    https://www.arthritis.org/living-with-arthritis/arthritis-diet/anti-inflammatory/rheumatoid-arthritis-diet.php

    The diet that the Arthritis Foundation recommends is the Mediterranean Diet. That's backed by research.

    Link to research, please. There isn't one in the article.

    The hyplinks (highlighted words) in the article link to articles with citations.
  • jenilla1
    jenilla1 Posts: 11,118 Member
    kellymcguffie wrote: »
    ...Some people claim that they have come off their medication by radically changing their diets but it sounds so difficult to eliminate such a large group of foods...

    If it changes your life for the better, then it's a very small price to pay. My life completely turned around. I spent years being physically ill (and constantly anxious because of it) every single day. It got progressively worse with time. (I didn't have RA, but an inflammatory condition affecting my digestive system.)

    It's been several years since I eliminated a certain food that triggers my auto-immune misery, and I haven't had a sick day since, blood tests show my inflammatory markers are normal, etc. I'm super grateful and it's such a relief that I don't even miss the offending food. Not even tempted...

    Try it. It might not work for you. But...If it does work, it's so worth it... <3
  • njitaliana
    njitaliana Posts: 814 Member
    Kelly, Make an appointment with a dietitian if you can. Our dietitian is helping my husband with psoriatic arthritis (similar to rheumatoid) and prediabetes. She said to avoid all white foods--sugar, white flour, white potatoes, white rice. She said to eat whole grains instead. She said the foods that are allowed on the South Beach Diet are pretty much what to eat on an anti-inflammatory diet.
  • njitaliana
    njitaliana Posts: 814 Member
    PS, She said there is no proof that nightshades cause inflammation. But, there is proof that white foods cause inflammation. (Note: cauliflower is not a white food; it's only white starches and sugar that are bad)
  • njitaliana
    njitaliana Posts: 814 Member
    PS, She said gluten free isn't good for autoimmune disorders because most gluten free foods are made from white flour. She said the only way gluten free would be good is if you stick to only whole grain gluten free foods, but she said it's not necessary, not is gluten free proven to help.
  • CarvedTones
    CarvedTones Posts: 2,340 Member
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    CarvedTones wrote: »
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    https://www.arthritis.org/living-with-arthritis/arthritis-diet/anti-inflammatory/rheumatoid-arthritis-diet.php

    The diet that the Arthritis Foundation recommends is the Mediterranean Diet. That's backed by research.

    Link to research, please. There isn't one in the article.

    The hyplinks (highlighted words) in the article link to articles with citations.

    I followed those. They link to definitions or articles about what they define. The closest thing is one article on fiber that says it may help and it points to a study where CRP was better in patients with a high fiber diet. That article used the words "may help" as the link was a little weak. I wish there was a magic diet for inflammation.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    njitaliana wrote: »
    PS, She said there is no proof that nightshades cause inflammation. But, there is proof that white foods cause inflammation. (Note: cauliflower is not a white food; it's only white starches and sugar that are bad)

    if there is proof and they cause inflammation then why doesnt it cause inflammation in everyone who has RA or another issue with inflammation? it doesnt cause me any inflammation and Im sure there are others here who have no issues with those things either. even allergies can cause inflammation in the body which is why meds with leukotrienes are given to combat that https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16835707,but for me they cause me more issues that they help. it makes my asthma and allergies worse when I take it.
  • MikePfirrman
    MikePfirrman Posts: 3,307 Member
    CarvedTones wrote: »
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    CarvedTones wrote: »
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    https://www.arthritis.org/living-with-arthritis/arthritis-diet/anti-inflammatory/rheumatoid-arthritis-diet.php

    The diet that the Arthritis Foundation recommends is the Mediterranean Diet. That's backed by research.

    Link to research, please. There isn't one in the article.

    The hyplinks (highlighted words) in the article link to articles with citations.

    I followed those. They link to definitions or articles about what they define. The closest thing is one article on fiber that says it may help and it points to a study where CRP was better in patients with a high fiber diet. That article used the words "may help" as the link was a little weak. I wish there was a magic diet for inflammation.

    There is no magic bullet. You're right. But I was referring to specifically RA, which is one of the hardest to treat forms of Arthritis. Diet can help, not cure.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5682732/
  • aaronts221
    aaronts221 Posts: 6 Member
    Everyone's body reacts different, from medication to food. What may work for one person wont necessarily work for another. My gf has similar issues, going through an elimination diet has really helped her. She primarily sticks to meat, rice, and certain vegetables, also depends on how the vegetables are prepared.
  • CarvedTones
    CarvedTones Posts: 2,340 Member
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    CarvedTones wrote: »
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    CarvedTones wrote: »
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    https://www.arthritis.org/living-with-arthritis/arthritis-diet/anti-inflammatory/rheumatoid-arthritis-diet.php

    The diet that the Arthritis Foundation recommends is the Mediterranean Diet. That's backed by research.

    Link to research, please. There isn't one in the article.

    The hyplinks (highlighted words) in the article link to articles with citations.

    I followed those. They link to definitions or articles about what they define. The closest thing is one article on fiber that says it may help and it points to a study where CRP was better in patients with a high fiber diet. That article used the words "may help" as the link was a little weak. I wish there was a magic diet for inflammation.

    There is no magic bullet. You're right. But I was referring to specifically RA, which is one of the hardest to treat forms of Arthritis. Diet can help, not cure.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5682732/

    That may be right, but that is one of the oddest scientific papers I have seen. It references a bunch of studies and for nearly every one of them says "significant change" but doesn't say how much. Is significant 30%? 10%? 2%? There is no indication. They reference several different diets that all seemed to do something to help and then make a recommendation that isn't specifically any single diet from the list. Very odd. My sister has RA and has been down this path and a lot of others.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    Do you mean whole foo
    mscjmason wrote: »
    ruqayyahsmum wrote: »
    My doctor suggested vegetarian, the arthritis research site suggested the same but it's only been a week, still in alot of pain currently

    Please google Nutritarian and Dr Greger. Vegetarian and vegan diets/lifestyles are only healthy if they are plant based.

    Do you mean whole food based rather than plant based?
  • MADgical72
    MADgical72 Posts: 81 Member
    edited September 2018
    I have osteoarthritis and take turmeric supplements, with the guidance of my general physician. I have found that it has really helped with the pain.

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