Is 5 2 just a fad?
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what makes you think I started in april? Just because I joined this site in april? You didnt lose the weight they way I did. I did my own form of fasting which I did due to my experience of losing weight in the past. I gained weight because I wasnt able to lift heavy anymore and fell into a depression.I seriously worry about people who do things like this. Overall, net calories for the week are far too low, and there's no need for it. When I was restricting calories I noticed a difference in my mood and energy, and I wasn't even taking it that low. You might not notice until you stop doing it, but there are definitely healthier ways to go about it.
energy storage fat and glycogen are not fully depleted during the day and energby is not shut off at the end of the week. the only reason a 5:2 diet works is due to the caloric density that our foods currently have(processed foods). if people knew how to control their diet that would be much more versatile instead of deciding if this is the day they eat or not
DatMurse... It's already been said..time and again. We get it. You can't imagine why people choose this method over yours. You started in April, you've found your way..congrats.
I did it your way too. Nothing you have said is new to me. Nothing you have said makes 5:2 less of an option that your method. Could not imagine needing to do anything else. Lost 42kg. Why would I choose to do this method then? I'm not needing to answer that because others have. You haven't read the book, you haven't and probably won't try it (fine, understood, no 5:2 person pushes it) so you will never have to understand it. Your final comment, on that score is just as ignorant as Gemma's.
I lost 40 lbs in the course of 3 months while maintaining 95% of my strength
I ate 1 meal a day surrounded by 2 protein shakes .That normal meal consisted of pizza, steaks, desert, etc.
Why would I need to read the book? The benefits and claim from this diet are not unique to the diet alone. They are benefits of entering a hypocaloric state.
Why would I read the book when I can based it off of studies and articles posted at the NIHL? Instead of someone inputting his personal opinion into a book
I saw the entry about people in ecuador living to 100+ which is a load of **** because there is no proper record.
So what is my method?
Do I keep track of a diary? no.
I dont restrict anything that I want. I know what my limitations are. I have a well balanced diet of processed and unprocessed foods. I am simply stating that the effectiveness of this diet are for people who require alot of structure and limitations because they are not capable of eating a reduced caloric intake daily with ease. If you require that lifestyle to lose weight sure, go right ahead.
But your method is no better than any other form of hypo caloric diet0 -
people do not need to gain 14kg after being pregnant. JSWhy can't people sustain it? Clearly some people have....
yea because MFP restricts 2 days out of the week for you.It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
Ir is not a diet plan, it is aimed at health, weight loss is a by product
There are 5.2 groups on here, have a search & take your pick
its a fad diet that is not sustainable for the average person
Why is that?
If you follow the instructions to the dot, you find that your weekly deficit is exactly the same as the one marked by MFP. The only difference is that instead of choosing to create a deficit 7 days a week, you choose to do it on 2 days.
Those 2 days? I call them "salad days" to my RL friends who I'm too lazy to explain this. I basically eat salads with LF dressing and egg white omelette by dinner. I'm not starving. But this way, if I go out to lunch with my friends (as today), I won't have to worry too much about eating out and the secret oil and eating salads every single day. When you travel so much, and you have so much time to explore different countries and cultures.. well.. this way of deficit works much better!
Probably it'd be differnet if I stayed at home all day (as for me, being busy helps a lot).
Overall, I've lost around 5 - 6 kilos in one month and a half (I exercise though) and I still enjoy eating out.
So yeah.. truly it is a fad.. Just like MFP method I guess.
The average person's lifestyle does not function like that. Most people cant sustain a diet such as that. You just started the diet and you only been on it for a month.
My point exactly. You have no room to talk about why its sustainable.
I am a very average person.
I did this for a year (though I don't call it 5:2, I call it IF or Eat Stop Eat). I stopped when I got pregnant. When I finish breastfeeding, I intend to start up again.
Why does it work for me? Because I like to go out to dinner and splurge from time to time. I enjoy a beer after work with my work buddies. I don't like having to stick to 1500 calories per day. Most average people probably would find it hard to stick to 1500 calories per day for years to lose weight. Having a fast day just means you can have a deficit on 2 days a week instead of 7. I think it's way more sustainable than just calorie counting personally.
and you still arent near your target weight.
I dont think 90%+ of people would enjoy this lifestyle.
You have to start this lifestyle in order to lose weight and is not sustainable for yourself. You are proof yourself
I just had a baby - I gained weight when I was pregnant because that's what happens when you are pregnant - I am losing weight again now that I've had the baby. I've actually lost a total of about 160lbs - so your point is moot.
I lost weight when I was fasting and I would happily sustain it as a permanent solution. I just can't do it right now as I need to sustain a second life and can't CR.
No she didn't need to but it happens for alot of reasons...yet again have you been pregnant? Have you had the hormonal upheaval this can cause? Completely and utterly ignorant. JS0 -
people do not need to gain 14kg after being pregnant. JSWhy can't people sustain it? Clearly some people have....
yea because MFP restricts 2 days out of the week for you.It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
Ir is not a diet plan, it is aimed at health, weight loss is a by product
There are 5.2 groups on here, have a search & take your pick
its a fad diet that is not sustainable for the average person
Why is that?
If you follow the instructions to the dot, you find that your weekly deficit is exactly the same as the one marked by MFP. The only difference is that instead of choosing to create a deficit 7 days a week, you choose to do it on 2 days.
Those 2 days? I call them "salad days" to my RL friends who I'm too lazy to explain this. I basically eat salads with LF dressing and egg white omelette by dinner. I'm not starving. But this way, if I go out to lunch with my friends (as today), I won't have to worry too much about eating out and the secret oil and eating salads every single day. When you travel so much, and you have so much time to explore different countries and cultures.. well.. this way of deficit works much better!
Probably it'd be differnet if I stayed at home all day (as for me, being busy helps a lot).
Overall, I've lost around 5 - 6 kilos in one month and a half (I exercise though) and I still enjoy eating out.
So yeah.. truly it is a fad.. Just like MFP method I guess.
The average person's lifestyle does not function like that. Most people cant sustain a diet such as that. You just started the diet and you only been on it for a month.
My point exactly. You have no room to talk about why its sustainable.
I am a very average person.
I did this for a year (though I don't call it 5:2, I call it IF or Eat Stop Eat). I stopped when I got pregnant. When I finish breastfeeding, I intend to start up again.
Why does it work for me? Because I like to go out to dinner and splurge from time to time. I enjoy a beer after work with my work buddies. I don't like having to stick to 1500 calories per day. Most average people probably would find it hard to stick to 1500 calories per day for years to lose weight. Having a fast day just means you can have a deficit on 2 days a week instead of 7. I think it's way more sustainable than just calorie counting personally.
and you still arent near your target weight.
I dont think 90%+ of people would enjoy this lifestyle.
You have to start this lifestyle in order to lose weight and is not sustainable for yourself. You are proof yourself
I just had a baby - I gained weight when I was pregnant because that's what happens when you are pregnant - I am losing weight again now that I've had the baby. I've actually lost a total of about 160lbs - so your point is moot.
I lost weight when I was fasting and I would happily sustain it as a permanent solution. I just can't do it right now as I need to sustain a second life and can't CR.
No she didn't need to but it happens for alot of reasons...yet again have you been pregnant? Have you had the hormonal upheaval this can cause? Completely and utterly ignorant. JS
ignorant or I know how much a healthy woman should gain
or the fact a controlled eating lifestyle can carry over?0 -
the marathon you claim to walk in 4 hours -speed of the world record holder?
you're right. i couldn't do that. you are *incredible*.
I kind of questioned that too but figured it would set off a huge firestorm. I also question why if you have 4 hours or more a day for walking why you wouldn't use it more productively to volunteer at a school, shelter or charity but hey, what would I know?
Because I cant thats why. You have no idea why I have this time on my hands & I'm not going to do anything that involves making me worse.0 -
the marathon you claim to walk in 4 hours -speed of the world record holder?
you're right. i couldn't do that. you are *incredible*.
I kind of questioned that too but figured it would set off a huge firestorm. I also question why if you have 4 hours or more a day for walking why you wouldn't use it more productively to volunteer at a school, shelter or charity but hey, what would I know?
Because I cant thats why. You have no idea why I have this time on my hands & I'm not going to do anything that involves making me worse.
That explains most of your responses all in one sentence.0 -
the marathon you claim to walk in 4 hours -speed of the world record holder?
you're right. i couldn't do that. you are *incredible*.
I kind of questioned that too but figured it would set off a huge firestorm. I also question why if you have 4 hours or more a day for walking why you wouldn't use it more productively to volunteer at a school, shelter or charity but hey, what would I know?
Because I cant thats why. You have no idea why I have this time on my hands & I'm not going to do anything that involves making me worse.
That explains most of your responses all in one sentence.
Actually it explains nothing to you & that's the way I like it because I do not have to explain MY life to you.0 -
Why would net calories for the week be too low eating at maintenance levels 5 days a week? Do you have any idea about what you're talking about?I seriously worry about people who do things like this. Overall, net calories for the week are far too low, and there's no need for it. When I was restricting calories I noticed a difference in my mood and energy, and I wasn't even taking it that low. You might not notice until you stop doing it, but there are definitely healthier ways to go about it.0 -
people do not need to gain 14kg after being pregnant. JSWhy can't people sustain it? Clearly some people have....
yea because MFP restricts 2 days out of the week for you.It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
Ir is not a diet plan, it is aimed at health, weight loss is a by product
There are 5.2 groups on here, have a search & take your pick
its a fad diet that is not sustainable for the average person
Why is that?
If you follow the instructions to the dot, you find that your weekly deficit is exactly the same as the one marked by MFP. The only difference is that instead of choosing to create a deficit 7 days a week, you choose to do it on 2 days.
Those 2 days? I call them "salad days" to my RL friends who I'm too lazy to explain this. I basically eat salads with LF dressing and egg white omelette by dinner. I'm not starving. But this way, if I go out to lunch with my friends (as today), I won't have to worry too much about eating out and the secret oil and eating salads every single day. When you travel so much, and you have so much time to explore different countries and cultures.. well.. this way of deficit works much better!
Probably it'd be differnet if I stayed at home all day (as for me, being busy helps a lot).
Overall, I've lost around 5 - 6 kilos in one month and a half (I exercise though) and I still enjoy eating out.
So yeah.. truly it is a fad.. Just like MFP method I guess.
The average person's lifestyle does not function like that. Most people cant sustain a diet such as that. You just started the diet and you only been on it for a month.
My point exactly. You have no room to talk about why its sustainable.
I am a very average person.
I did this for a year (though I don't call it 5:2, I call it IF or Eat Stop Eat). I stopped when I got pregnant. When I finish breastfeeding, I intend to start up again.
Why does it work for me? Because I like to go out to dinner and splurge from time to time. I enjoy a beer after work with my work buddies. I don't like having to stick to 1500 calories per day. Most average people probably would find it hard to stick to 1500 calories per day for years to lose weight. Having a fast day just means you can have a deficit on 2 days a week instead of 7. I think it's way more sustainable than just calorie counting personally.
and you still arent near your target weight.
I dont think 90%+ of people would enjoy this lifestyle.
You have to start this lifestyle in order to lose weight and is not sustainable for yourself. You are proof yourself
I just had a baby - I gained weight when I was pregnant because that's what happens when you are pregnant - I am losing weight again now that I've had the baby. I've actually lost a total of about 160lbs - so your point is moot.
I lost weight when I was fasting and I would happily sustain it as a permanent solution. I just can't do it right now as I need to sustain a second life and can't CR.
No she didn't need to but it happens for alot of reasons...yet again have you been pregnant? Have you had the hormonal upheaval this can cause? Completely and utterly ignorant. JS
ignorant or I know how much a healthy woman should gain
or the fact a controlled eating lifestyle can carry over?
If you were president of the AMA I'd still say the same.
Hypocaloric..I believe Liberty covered that. This method in totality does not fit my definition of hypocaloric. As stated..."subtext". If used correctly, over the course of a week, hardly hypocaloric.
Mosley actually doesn't make the health claims..he just presents the studies and acknowledges they are on rats. You are basing your criticism on other people's enthusiastic interpretation of what is written. Which is why I suggested you look at it.0 -
Why would net calories for the week be too low eating at maintenance levels 5 days a week? Do you have any idea about what you're talking about?I seriously worry about people who do things like this. Overall, net calories for the week are far too low, and there's no need for it. When I was restricting calories I noticed a difference in my mood and energy, and I wasn't even taking it that low. You might not notice until you stop doing it, but there are definitely healthier ways to go about it.
If it's done correctly there is no problem. It's not supposed to be a diet in the lose weight sense of the word. The problem is that the diet faction has jumped on the whole idea and are advocating 2 days at 500 calories while only eating 1200 to 1500 on the non fast days as a way to cut deeper for weight loss. Those people are at a serious deficit that is not healthy.
There's always those that take anything to an extreme then advocate it to others as the solution to all their weight problems.0 -
people do not need to gain 14kg after being pregnant. JSWhy can't people sustain it? Clearly some people have....
yea because MFP restricts 2 days out of the week for you.It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
Ir is not a diet plan, it is aimed at health, weight loss is a by product
There are 5.2 groups on here, have a search & take your pick
its a fad diet that is not sustainable for the average person
Why is that?
If you follow the instructions to the dot, you find that your weekly deficit is exactly the same as the one marked by MFP. The only difference is that instead of choosing to create a deficit 7 days a week, you choose to do it on 2 days.
Those 2 days? I call them "salad days" to my RL friends who I'm too lazy to explain this. I basically eat salads with LF dressing and egg white omelette by dinner. I'm not starving. But this way, if I go out to lunch with my friends (as today), I won't have to worry too much about eating out and the secret oil and eating salads every single day. When you travel so much, and you have so much time to explore different countries and cultures.. well.. this way of deficit works much better!
Probably it'd be differnet if I stayed at home all day (as for me, being busy helps a lot).
Overall, I've lost around 5 - 6 kilos in one month and a half (I exercise though) and I still enjoy eating out.
So yeah.. truly it is a fad.. Just like MFP method I guess.
The average person's lifestyle does not function like that. Most people cant sustain a diet such as that. You just started the diet and you only been on it for a month.
My point exactly. You have no room to talk about why its sustainable.
I am a very average person.
I did this for a year (though I don't call it 5:2, I call it IF or Eat Stop Eat). I stopped when I got pregnant. When I finish breastfeeding, I intend to start up again.
Why does it work for me? Because I like to go out to dinner and splurge from time to time. I enjoy a beer after work with my work buddies. I don't like having to stick to 1500 calories per day. Most average people probably would find it hard to stick to 1500 calories per day for years to lose weight. Having a fast day just means you can have a deficit on 2 days a week instead of 7. I think it's way more sustainable than just calorie counting personally.
and you still arent near your target weight.
I dont think 90%+ of people would enjoy this lifestyle.
You have to start this lifestyle in order to lose weight and is not sustainable for yourself. You are proof yourself
I just had a baby - I gained weight when I was pregnant because that's what happens when you are pregnant - I am losing weight again now that I've had the baby. I've actually lost a total of about 160lbs - so your point is moot.
I lost weight when I was fasting and I would happily sustain it as a permanent solution. I just can't do it right now as I need to sustain a second life and can't CR.
No she didn't need to but it happens for alot of reasons...yet again have you been pregnant? Have you had the hormonal upheaval this can cause? Completely and utterly ignorant. JS
ignorant or I know how much a healthy woman should gain
or the fact a controlled eating lifestyle can carry over?
If you were president of the AMA I'd still say the same.
Hypocaloric..I believe Liberty covered that. This method in totality does not fit my definition of hypocaloric. As stated..."subtext". If used correctly, over the course of a week, hardly hypocaloric.
Mosley actually doesn't make the health claims..he just presents the studies and acknowledges they are on rats. You are basing your criticism on other people's enthusiastic interpretation of what is written. Which is why I suggested you look at it.
So energy cannot be created or destroyed but you are losing weight and not gaining muscle? but you are not hypocaloric?
Clearly you need to take some sort of elementary nutrition/physics class because you have no idea of what you are talking about. Should go learn the laws of thermodynamics because you dont know what energy balance is0 -
people do not need to gain 14kg after being pregnant. JSWhy can't people sustain it? Clearly some people have....
yea because MFP restricts 2 days out of the week for you.It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
Ir is not a diet plan, it is aimed at health, weight loss is a by product
There are 5.2 groups on here, have a search & take your pick
its a fad diet that is not sustainable for the average person
Why is that?
If you follow the instructions to the dot, you find that your weekly deficit is exactly the same as the one marked by MFP. The only difference is that instead of choosing to create a deficit 7 days a week, you choose to do it on 2 days.
Those 2 days? I call them "salad days" to my RL friends who I'm too lazy to explain this. I basically eat salads with LF dressing and egg white omelette by dinner. I'm not starving. But this way, if I go out to lunch with my friends (as today), I won't have to worry too much about eating out and the secret oil and eating salads every single day. When you travel so much, and you have so much time to explore different countries and cultures.. well.. this way of deficit works much better!
Probably it'd be differnet if I stayed at home all day (as for me, being busy helps a lot).
Overall, I've lost around 5 - 6 kilos in one month and a half (I exercise though) and I still enjoy eating out.
So yeah.. truly it is a fad.. Just like MFP method I guess.
The average person's lifestyle does not function like that. Most people cant sustain a diet such as that. You just started the diet and you only been on it for a month.
My point exactly. You have no room to talk about why its sustainable.
I am a very average person.
I did this for a year (though I don't call it 5:2, I call it IF or Eat Stop Eat). I stopped when I got pregnant. When I finish breastfeeding, I intend to start up again.
Why does it work for me? Because I like to go out to dinner and splurge from time to time. I enjoy a beer after work with my work buddies. I don't like having to stick to 1500 calories per day. Most average people probably would find it hard to stick to 1500 calories per day for years to lose weight. Having a fast day just means you can have a deficit on 2 days a week instead of 7. I think it's way more sustainable than just calorie counting personally.
and you still arent near your target weight.
I dont think 90%+ of people would enjoy this lifestyle.
You have to start this lifestyle in order to lose weight and is not sustainable for yourself. You are proof yourself
I just had a baby - I gained weight when I was pregnant because that's what happens when you are pregnant - I am losing weight again now that I've had the baby. I've actually lost a total of about 160lbs - so your point is moot.
I lost weight when I was fasting and I would happily sustain it as a permanent solution. I just can't do it right now as I need to sustain a second life and can't CR.
No she didn't need to but it happens for alot of reasons...yet again have you been pregnant? Have you had the hormonal upheaval this can cause? Completely and utterly ignorant. JS
ignorant or I know how much a healthy woman should gain
or the fact a controlled eating lifestyle can carry over?
If you were president of the AMA I'd still say the same.
Hypocaloric..I believe Liberty covered that. This method in totality does not fit my definition of hypocaloric. As stated..."subtext". If used correctly, over the course of a week, hardly hypocaloric.
Mosley actually doesn't make the health claims..he just presents the studies and acknowledges they are on rats. You are basing your criticism on other people's enthusiastic interpretation of what is written. Which is why I suggested you look at it.
So energy cannot be created or destroyed but you are losing weight and not gaining muscle? but you are not hypocaloric?
Clearly you need to take some sort of elementary nutrition/physics class because you have no idea of what you are talking about. Should go learn the laws of thermodynamics because you dont know what energy balance is
lol, my interpretation of hypo caloric was more to do with LCD and VLCD and omitting or greatly reducing a food group like carbohydrates, which isn't necessarily the case on 5:2. I already stated earlier that the benefits of this process may not necessarily have anything to do with fasting although I hope it is eventually proven to be the case in clinical human studies.
Now about the thermawhaky on the doobalacky....a calorie may not be a calorie after all if we are allowed to consider the second law of thermodynamics....0 -
How about a lesson on cutting posts so each reply doesn't take up a whole page? I'm enjoying your battle but it takes way too long to scroll through the whole mess because neither of you have managed to learn the art of condensing.0
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^^^^I was just thinking the same thing0
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The problem is that the diet faction has jumped on the whole idea and are advocating 2 days at 500 calories while only eating 1200 to 1500 on the non fast days as a way to cut deeper for weight loss. Those people are at a serious deficit that is not healthy.
There's always those that take anything to an extreme then advocate it to others as the solution to all their weight problems.
Yeah, but that is not isolated to, nor, as far as I can tell, especially prevalent with 5:2. There's probably more "I'm eating a cheesecake and a bottle of wine 5 days a week and not losing"
issues on 5:2 than extreme deficits from what I've seen on the forums.
Normal daily calorie restriction is quite often taken to the same sorts of extremes and seems to be frequently.0 -
I already stated earlier that the benefits of this process may not necessarily have anything to do with fasting although I hope it is eventually proven to be the case in clinical human studies.
http://www.adelaide.edu.au/news/news61581.html
I'm waiting on the results from this one.
If you're an "Overweight and obese South Australian women aged 35-70 years" sign up!0 -
I don't understand how you could possibly not consider this hypocaloric. You eat maintenance 5 days per week, and then 500 calories for 2 days (roughly about a 1500-2000 calorie deficit per day.) That leads to a deficit of 3000-4000 per week. That is very much hypocaloric.
people do not need to gain 14kg after being pregnant. JSWhy can't people sustain it? Clearly some people have....
yea because MFP restricts 2 days out of the week for you.It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
Ir is not a diet plan, it is aimed at health, weight loss is a by product
There are 5.2 groups on here, have a search & take your pick
its a fad diet that is not sustainable for the average person
Why is that?
If you follow the instructions to the dot, you find that your weekly deficit is exactly the same as the one marked by MFP. The only difference is that instead of choosing to create a deficit 7 days a week, you choose to do it on 2 days.
Those 2 days? I call them "salad days" to my RL friends who I'm too lazy to explain this. I basically eat salads with LF dressing and egg white omelette by dinner. I'm not starving. But this way, if I go out to lunch with my friends (as today), I won't have to worry too much about eating out and the secret oil and eating salads every single day. When you travel so much, and you have so much time to explore different countries and cultures.. well.. this way of deficit works much better!
Probably it'd be differnet if I stayed at home all day (as for me, being busy helps a lot).
Overall, I've lost around 5 - 6 kilos in one month and a half (I exercise though) and I still enjoy eating out.
So yeah.. truly it is a fad.. Just like MFP method I guess.
The average person's lifestyle does not function like that. Most people cant sustain a diet such as that. You just started the diet and you only been on it for a month.
My point exactly. You have no room to talk about why its sustainable.
I am a very average person.
I did this for a year (though I don't call it 5:2, I call it IF or Eat Stop Eat). I stopped when I got pregnant. When I finish breastfeeding, I intend to start up again.
Why does it work for me? Because I like to go out to dinner and splurge from time to time. I enjoy a beer after work with my work buddies. I don't like having to stick to 1500 calories per day. Most average people probably would find it hard to stick to 1500 calories per day for years to lose weight. Having a fast day just means you can have a deficit on 2 days a week instead of 7. I think it's way more sustainable than just calorie counting personally.
and you still arent near your target weight.
I dont think 90%+ of people would enjoy this lifestyle.
You have to start this lifestyle in order to lose weight and is not sustainable for yourself. You are proof yourself
I just had a baby - I gained weight when I was pregnant because that's what happens when you are pregnant - I am losing weight again now that I've had the baby. I've actually lost a total of about 160lbs - so your point is moot.
I lost weight when I was fasting and I would happily sustain it as a permanent solution. I just can't do it right now as I need to sustain a second life and can't CR.
No she didn't need to but it happens for alot of reasons...yet again have you been pregnant? Have you had the hormonal upheaval this can cause? Completely and utterly ignorant. JS
ignorant or I know how much a healthy woman should gain
or the fact a controlled eating lifestyle can carry over?
If you were president of the AMA I'd still say the same.
Hypocaloric..I believe Liberty covered that. This method in totality does not fit my definition of hypocaloric. As stated..."subtext". If used correctly, over the course of a week, hardly hypocaloric.
Mosley actually doesn't make the health claims..he just presents the studies and acknowledges they are on rats. You are basing your criticism on other people's enthusiastic interpretation of what is written. Which is why I suggested you look at it.0 -
I don't understand how you could possibly not consider this hypocaloric. You eat maintenance 5 days per week, and then 500 calories for 2 days (roughly about a 1500-2000 calorie deficit per day.) That leads to a deficit of 3000-4000 per week. That is very much hypocaloric.
I believe, in common usage, "hypocaloric" refers to a diet that is below 1000-1200 calories a day.
I've seen this term used in several studies - and the daily calories on those is usually < 800/day.
A deficit of 3000-4000 calories is hardly starvation and is well aligned with ubiquitous recommendations ("lose 1 to 2 lbs a week (3500-7000 cals a week deficit).
Example:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17327740We define hypocaloric feeding as the delivery of 0.5-0.9 times the resting energy expenditure, isocaloric feeding as 1.1-1.3 times the resting energy expenditure, whereas hypercaloric feeding delivers more than 1.5 times the resting energy expenditure.
ETA: But sure, any "diet" is "hypocaloric" in a thermodynamic perspective - even if you are just working out - if you are losing weight than you are eating fewer calories than you "need".0 -
people do not need to gain 14kg after being pregnant. JSWhy can't people sustain it? Clearly some people have....
yea because MFP restricts 2 days out of the week for you.It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
Ir is not a diet plan, it is aimed at health, weight loss is a by product
There are 5.2 groups on here, have a search & take your pick
its a fad diet that is not sustainable for the average person
Why is that?
If you follow the instructions to the dot, you find that your weekly deficit is exactly the same as the one marked by MFP. The only difference is that instead of choosing to create a deficit 7 days a week, you choose to do it on 2 days.
Those 2 days? I call them "salad days" to my RL friends who I'm too lazy to explain this. I basically eat salads with LF dressing and egg white omelette by dinner. I'm not starving. But this way, if I go out to lunch with my friends (as today), I won't have to worry too much about eating out and the secret oil and eating salads every single day. When you travel so much, and you have so much time to explore different countries and cultures.. well.. this way of deficit works much better!
Probably it'd be differnet if I stayed at home all day (as for me, being busy helps a lot).
Overall, I've lost around 5 - 6 kilos in one month and a half (I exercise though) and I still enjoy eating out.
So yeah.. truly it is a fad.. Just like MFP method I guess.
The average person's lifestyle does not function like that. Most people cant sustain a diet such as that. You just started the diet and you only been on it for a month.
My point exactly. You have no room to talk about why its sustainable.
I am a very average person.
I did this for a year (though I don't call it 5:2, I call it IF or Eat Stop Eat). I stopped when I got pregnant. When I finish breastfeeding, I intend to start up again.
Why does it work for me? Because I like to go out to dinner and splurge from time to time. I enjoy a beer after work with my work buddies. I don't like having to stick to 1500 calories per day. Most average people probably would find it hard to stick to 1500 calories per day for years to lose weight. Having a fast day just means you can have a deficit on 2 days a week instead of 7. I think it's way more sustainable than just calorie counting personally.
and you still arent near your target weight.
I dont think 90%+ of people would enjoy this lifestyle.
You have to start this lifestyle in order to lose weight and is not sustainable for yourself. You are proof yourself
I just had a baby - I gained weight when I was pregnant because that's what happens when you are pregnant - I am losing weight again now that I've had the baby. I've actually lost a total of about 160lbs - so your point is moot.
I lost weight when I was fasting and I would happily sustain it as a permanent solution. I just can't do it right now as I need to sustain a second life and can't CR.
Firstly - that is a ridiculously rude thing to say. Average weight gain is between 12-20kg (healthy weight gain is about 12.5kg) for a woman when she falls pregnant. I haven't gotten on the scales since I gave birth and have no plans to until I establish a healthy milk supply - but I'd daresay I've lost a fair bit already as my clothes are feeling quite loose on me again. And even if it weren't the case, and I'd gain some ridiculous amount of weight while I was pregnant it does not change the fact that I am much happier and more comfortable fasting two days a week to lose or maintain my weight than I am trying to reach the same calorie goal every single day. Just because something doesn't suit you, doesn't mean it doesn't suit others.0 -
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Milk supply is granted regardless of caloric intake.
people do not need to gain 14kg after being pregnant. JSWhy can't people sustain it? Clearly some people have....
yea because MFP restricts 2 days out of the week for you.It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
Ir is not a diet plan, it is aimed at health, weight loss is a by product
There are 5.2 groups on here, have a search & take your pick
its a fad diet that is not sustainable for the average person
Why is that?
If you follow the instructions to the dot, you find that your weekly deficit is exactly the same as the one marked by MFP. The only difference is that instead of choosing to create a deficit 7 days a week, you choose to do it on 2 days.
Those 2 days? I call them "salad days" to my RL friends who I'm too lazy to explain this. I basically eat salads with LF dressing and egg white omelette by dinner. I'm not starving. But this way, if I go out to lunch with my friends (as today), I won't have to worry too much about eating out and the secret oil and eating salads every single day. When you travel so much, and you have so much time to explore different countries and cultures.. well.. this way of deficit works much better!
Probably it'd be differnet if I stayed at home all day (as for me, being busy helps a lot).
Overall, I've lost around 5 - 6 kilos in one month and a half (I exercise though) and I still enjoy eating out.
So yeah.. truly it is a fad.. Just like MFP method I guess.
The average person's lifestyle does not function like that. Most people cant sustain a diet such as that. You just started the diet and you only been on it for a month.
My point exactly. You have no room to talk about why its sustainable.
I am a very average person.
I did this for a year (though I don't call it 5:2, I call it IF or Eat Stop Eat). I stopped when I got pregnant. When I finish breastfeeding, I intend to start up again.
Why does it work for me? Because I like to go out to dinner and splurge from time to time. I enjoy a beer after work with my work buddies. I don't like having to stick to 1500 calories per day. Most average people probably would find it hard to stick to 1500 calories per day for years to lose weight. Having a fast day just means you can have a deficit on 2 days a week instead of 7. I think it's way more sustainable than just calorie counting personally.
and you still arent near your target weight.
I dont think 90%+ of people would enjoy this lifestyle.
You have to start this lifestyle in order to lose weight and is not sustainable for yourself. You are proof yourself
I just had a baby - I gained weight when I was pregnant because that's what happens when you are pregnant - I am losing weight again now that I've had the baby. I've actually lost a total of about 160lbs - so your point is moot.
I lost weight when I was fasting and I would happily sustain it as a permanent solution. I just can't do it right now as I need to sustain a second life and can't CR.
Firstly - that is a ridiculously rude thing to say. Average weight gain is between 12-20kg (healthy weight gain is about 12.5kg) for a woman when she falls pregnant. I haven't gotten on the scales since I gave birth and have no plans to until I establish a healthy milk supply -
Average weight gain is not always ideal. Btw they want the average person to gain about 25-35 lbs during pregnancy, Obviously your dieting lifestyle cannot carry over to pregnancy.
BTW Healthy weight gain is not 44 lbs
What is rude? I am just stating facts. Your sustainability on the diet during pregnancy is incapable.
Everyone wants to cry out when a pregnant woman gains weight and blames it on XYZ, hormones, or person is being rude.0
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