Am I losing too fast again?
kiela64
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I posted here a while back about losing hair. Since then I’ve cut my hair and started taking a multi and biotin (my iron & b12 & thyroid were checked and came back fine). My hair is continuing to fall out a lot although not as badly as before.
A recommendation I’ve tried my best to heed is to slow my loss to 1/2-1lb/week. I haven’t quite managed it.
Part of this is because my fitness tracker got lost and I have yet to replace it, so my calories-out are difficult to guess at. I’ve been using my phone for steps but the calories given are very different. I’ve been less strict about hitting my goal - having a few more over days, deciding to just enjoy evenings out at the movies without being worried about being over. And it feels like I’ve had lots of 2000+ days. Which is my “gaining mode”.
Yet it’s still moving down (yay) but I had a new low today I wasn’t expecting and it seems fast. My weight tracking app has said I’ve lost 2.5lbs this week, which is too fast. But maybe I’m reading it incorrectly?? I still find this part confusing so an explanation would be helpful!!
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A quick look at your diary didn't show anything concerning. What is your current height and weight? Are you logging and eating back exercise calories? 2.5lbs is a lot but your 30 and 90 day averages are ok.3
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You really can't go by a 7 day figure. I can lose 7lbs in a week. I can lose 5lbs in a day. This is all due to normal weight fluctuations and very little of that is fat or permanent losses. 7 days from now you might show a gain.6
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You really can't go by a 7 day figure. I can lose 7lbs in a week. I can lose 5lbs in a day. This is all due to normal weight fluctuations and very little of that is fat or permanent losses. 7 days from now you might show a gain.
Ok thank you! Sorry for the silly post then, I wasn’t sure.A quick look at your diary didn't show anything concerning. What is your current height and weight? Are you logging and eating back exercise calories? 2.5lbs is a lot but your 30 and 90 day averages are ok.
Thank you! I’m 5’2 today 161.6lbs.
I haven’t been doing any cardio currently other than walking at work and around as transit requires. I do physio every day.0 -
made a mistake... be right back1
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I’m set to lose 1lb/week.0 -
Ok. My bad. If you are logging food and exercise correctly and you set your MFP weight loss for 1lb per week you would be projected to lose about .5lb in the last 7 days and maintain if you have it set for .5lb per week loss.0
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You really can't go by a 7 day figure. I can lose 7lbs in a week. I can lose 5lbs in a day. This is all due to normal weight fluctuations and very little of that is fat or permanent losses. 7 days from now you might show a gain.
Ok thank you! Sorry for the silly post then, I wasn’t sure.A quick look at your diary didn't show anything concerning. What is your current height and weight? Are you logging and eating back exercise calories? 2.5lbs is a lot but your 30 and 90 day averages are ok.
Thank you! I’m 5’2 today 161.6lbs.
I haven’t been doing any cardio currently other than walking at work and around as transit requires. I do physio every day.
By physio do you mean physiotherapy? Is is vigorous? Could you be burning some calories that you need to log and eat back?
Other than that, at your weight, height and with the intake you show, there is no obvious reason for the hair loss. You may want to consult a doctor.0 -
You really can't go by a 7 day figure. I can lose 7lbs in a week. I can lose 5lbs in a day. This is all due to normal weight fluctuations and very little of that is fat or permanent losses. 7 days from now you might show a gain.
Ok thank you! Sorry for the silly post then, I wasn’t sure.A quick look at your diary didn't show anything concerning. What is your current height and weight? Are you logging and eating back exercise calories? 2.5lbs is a lot but your 30 and 90 day averages are ok.
Thank you! I’m 5’2 today 161.6lbs.
I haven’t been doing any cardio currently other than walking at work and around as transit requires. I do physio every day.
By physio do you mean physiotherapy? Is is vigorous? Could you be burning some calories that you need to log and eat back?
Other than that, at your weight, height and with the intake you show, there is no obvious reason for the hair loss. You may want to consult a doctor.
It’s possible? I do sweat when I do the exercises but I’m not actually doing the strenuous ones for more than 10min (the rest is stretching and using a heating pad). I don’t think it should be much.
I have already been to the doctor, as I said she checked my b12, thyroid, & iron and they were fine. I’m not asking for medical advice don’t worry! I do plan to follow up. I was just including that so you know why not losing too quickly is something I’m working on - it wouldn’t be an issue otherwise because of troubleshooting the issue.Ok. My bad. If you are logging correctly and you set your MFP weight loss for 1lb per week you would be projected to lose about .5lb in the last 7 days and maintain if you have it set for .5lb per week loss.
I’m pretty sure my logging is at least mostly accurate. Meals out & deserts (eg the cake my teacher brought yesterday) are absolute guesses. I use a food scale for things at home.
So there’s a gap there - somewhere in being projected to lose 0.5lb in the last week based on my logging & actually losing more according to the scale.1 -
Is your hair thinning as well as falling out? Just wondering since I lose a ton of hair all the time, but I also grow a ton of hair all the time. What falls out is replaced so I don't have any thinning.2
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funjen1972 wrote: »Is your hair thinning as well as falling out? Just wondering since I lose a ton of hair all the time, but I also grow a ton of hair all the time. What falls out is replaced so I don't have any thinning.
Yes it’s noticeably thinner now. I had to cut it because the amount that was falling created these giant matted tangles that were very hard to brush out. Massive handfuls. Now it’s shorter it’s less noticeable in that way, but especially on my hairline I can tell it’s thinned out a lot. When it was long I could also see the ponytail circumference was. Down by at least 1/3rd.0 -
1. Looking at just 7 days could be a water weight fluctuation, so I wouldn't panic over that alone.
2. Remember, MFP's (or any other so-called "calculator's") calorie estimates are just an estimate, and based on limited input at that. Some people burn more (or less) than the "calculators" estimate. It doesn't matter why they do (after any health issues have been ruled out by a doctor, I mean). If you seem to be burning more than estimated, and have no relevant health problems, it could be a higher activity level than estimated, could be fidget-y, could just be some kind of statistical outlier. Doesn't matter.
So, look at your results over 4-6 weeks and adjust based on those. I don't know when in the last 30 days you started eating more, so maybe that rate of roughly 1.5 pounds a week includes a period of lower calorie intake, I dunno. But if you stick to your current approach (while tracking carefully) for a total of 4-6 weeks and continue to lose at that rate, but want to lose at 0.5-1 pound a week, then eat more.
At the point where you have 4-6 weeks of solid, consistently-estimated personal data, that's your truth. For every pound per week slower that you want to lose, add 500 calories daily. It doesn't matter any more whether your exercise tracking is "accurate", it only matters that it's consistent - you're using the same estimating source the same way every time.
It doesn't matter in the slightest at that point how much MFP or a TDEE calculator says you should be eating to maintain or to lose X amount: Your body is the perfect measuring device.
If your exercise is over (or underestimated) and you're losing 1 pound a week too fast, you should be able to safely eat 500 more calories daily, as long as you keep estimating the exercise in the same way, and doing about the same amount. If losing half a pound a week too fast, eat 250 calories more (similar arithmetic for other amounts). It'll be fine.9 -
funjen1972 wrote: »Is your hair thinning as well as falling out? Just wondering since I lose a ton of hair all the time, but I also grow a ton of hair all the time. What falls out is replaced so I don't have any thinning.
Yes it’s noticeably thinner now. I had to cut it because the amount that was falling created these giant matted tangles that were very hard to brush out. Massive handfuls. Now it’s shorter it’s less noticeable in that way, but especially on my hairline I can tell it’s thinned out a lot. When it was long I could also see the ponytail circumference was. Down by at least 1/3rd.
Then yes, this is concerning. It may be coincindental and have nothing to do with your weight loss. I suggest a visit to your doctor to discuss it. I would request some blood work to make sure everything is within normal limits.1 -
So there’s a gap there - somewhere in being projected to lose 0.5lb in the last week based on my logging & actually losing more according to the scale.
Not necessarily. I refer you to my previous post about not trusting 7 day results and how much nonfat fluctuation weight can be gained or lost that can throw off the results.
I did the math so you would have a point of reference. It is entirely possible you only lost the .5lb that your deficit suggests that you should lose and the other 2lbs were just a downturn.
How long have you been trying to slow you rate of loss? Your 30 day and 90 day results show that you have been losing 1.5ish pounds per week.
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1. Looking at just 7 days could be a water weight fluctuation, so I wouldn't panic over that alone.
2. Remember, MFP's (or any other so-called "calculator's") calorie estimates are just an estimate, and based on limited input at that. Some people burn more (or less) than the "calculators" estimate. It doesn't matter why they do (after any health issues have been ruled out by a doctor, I mean). If you seem to be burning more than estimated, and have no relevant health problems, it could be a higher activity level than estimated, could be fidget-y, could just be some kind of statistical outlier. Doesn't matter.
So, look at your results over 4-6 weeks and adjust based on those. I don't know when in the last 30 days you started eating more, so maybe that rate of roughly 1.5 pounds a week includes a period of lower calorie intake, I dunno. But if you stick to your current approach (while tracking carefully) for a total of 4-6 weeks and continue to lose at that rate, but want to lose at 0.5-1 pound a week, then eat more.
At the point where you have 4-6 weeks of solid, consistently-estimated personal data, that's your truth. For every pound per week slower that you want to lose, add 500 calories daily. It doesn't matter any more whether your exercise tracking is "accurate", it only matters that it's consistent - you're using the same estimating source the same way every time.
It doesn't matter in the slightest at that point how much MFP or a TDEE calculator says you should be eating to maintain or to lose X amount: Your body is the perfect measuring device.
If your exercise is over (or underestimated) and you're losing 1 pound a week too fast, you should be able to safely eat 500 more calories daily, as long as you keep estimating the exercise in the same way, and doing about the same amount. If losing half a pound a week too fast, eat 250 calories more (similar arithmetic for other amounts). It'll be fine.
Thank you! This really illuminated a lot thank you. I was thinking without the steps adjustment I couldn’t know how much extra to eat but this just reminded me, I think you can do custom goals? I’ll add 250 and see how that goes. ❤️❤️funjen1972 wrote: »funjen1972 wrote: »Is your hair thinning as well as falling out? Just wondering since I lose a ton of hair all the time, but I also grow a ton of hair all the time. What falls out is replaced so I don't have any thinning.
Yes it’s noticeably thinner now. I had to cut it because the amount that was falling created these giant matted tangles that were very hard to brush out. Massive handfuls. Now it’s shorter it’s less noticeable in that way, but especially on my hairline I can tell it’s thinned out a lot. When it was long I could also see the ponytail circumference was. Down by at least 1/3rd.
Then yes, this is concerning. It may be coincindental and have nothing to do with your weight loss. I suggest a visit to your doctor to discuss it. I would request some blood work to make sure everything is within normal limits.
Again, thank you, but I have already done this and am in communication with my doctor.So there’s a gap there - somewhere in being projected to lose 0.5lb in the last week based on my logging & actually losing more according to the scale.
Not necessarily. I refer you to my previous post about not trusting 7 day results and how much nonfat fluctuation weight can be gained or lost that can throw off the results.
I did the math so you would have a point of reference. It is entirely possible you only lost the .5lb that your deficit suggests that you should lose and the other 2lbs were just a downturn.
How long have you been trying to slow you rate of loss? Your 30 day and 90 day results show that you have been losing 1.5ish pounds per week.
I think at least 3 weeks I’ve been trying to eat more. Possibly the last 30 days. It had said 1.75 before; so it’s the right direction but maybe not slow enough yet.1 -
If your last month is representative of what you're currently doing and you're trying to move to only losing half a pound instead of one and a half a week then you need to add 500 calories a day on average.
Read Ann's post about how and why it doesn't matter what the absolute estimates are if you have consistently gathered results of your own to make decisions on.
You may also want to consider gently asking yourself why it is taking you so long to decide to add enough calories to slow down your loss rate if you actually have decided you want to do so.
You've been discussing trying to slow down for a while now.4 -
If your last month is representative of what you're currently doing and you're trying to move to only losing half a pound instead of one and a half a week then you need to add 500 calories a day on average.
Read Ann's post about how and why it doesn't matter what the absolute estimates are if you have consistently gathered results of your own to make decisions on.
You may also want to consider gently asking yourself why it is taking you so long to decide to add enough calories to slow down your loss rate if you actually have decided you want to do so.
You've been discussing trying to slow down for a while now.
I thought I was doing it, and it was showing 1.25 before but with today’s drop it changed & I was worried I hadn’t been doing it effectively after all.3 -
1. Looking at just 7 days could be a water weight fluctuation, so I wouldn't panic over that alone.
2. Remember, MFP's (or any other so-called "calculator's") calorie estimates are just an estimate, and based on limited input at that. Some people burn more (or less) than the "calculators" estimate. It doesn't matter why they do (after any health issues have been ruled out by a doctor, I mean). If you seem to be burning more than estimated, and have no relevant health problems, it could be a higher activity level than estimated, could be fidget-y, could just be some kind of statistical outlier. Doesn't matter.
So, look at your results over 4-6 weeks and adjust based on those. I don't know when in the last 30 days you started eating more, so maybe that rate of roughly 1.5 pounds a week includes a period of lower calorie intake, I dunno. But if you stick to your current approach (while tracking carefully) for a total of 4-6 weeks and continue to lose at that rate, but want to lose at 0.5-1 pound a week, then eat more.
At the point where you have 4-6 weeks of solid, consistently-estimated personal data, that's your truth. For every pound per week slower that you want to lose, add 500 calories daily. It doesn't matter any more whether your exercise tracking is "accurate", it only matters that it's consistent - you're using the same estimating source the same way every time.
It doesn't matter in the slightest at that point how much MFP or a TDEE calculator says you should be eating to maintain or to lose X amount: Your body is the perfect measuring device.
If your exercise is over (or underestimated) and you're losing 1 pound a week too fast, you should be able to safely eat 500 more calories daily, as long as you keep estimating the exercise in the same way, and doing about the same amount. If losing half a pound a week too fast, eat 250 calories more (similar arithmetic for other amounts). It'll be fine.
Thank you! This really illuminated a lot thank you. I was thinking without the steps adjustment I couldn’t know how much extra to eat but this just reminded me, I think you can do custom goals? I’ll add 250 and see how that goes. ❤️❤️funjen1972 wrote: »funjen1972 wrote: »Is your hair thinning as well as falling out? Just wondering since I lose a ton of hair all the time, but I also grow a ton of hair all the time. What falls out is replaced so I don't have any thinning.
Yes it’s noticeably thinner now. I had to cut it because the amount that was falling created these giant matted tangles that were very hard to brush out. Massive handfuls. Now it’s shorter it’s less noticeable in that way, but especially on my hairline I can tell it’s thinned out a lot. When it was long I could also see the ponytail circumference was. Down by at least 1/3rd.
Then yes, this is concerning. It may be coincindental and have nothing to do with your weight loss. I suggest a visit to your doctor to discuss it. I would request some blood work to make sure everything is within normal limits.
Again, thank you, but I have already done this and am in communication with my doctor.So there’s a gap there - somewhere in being projected to lose 0.5lb in the last week based on my logging & actually losing more according to the scale.
Not necessarily. I refer you to my previous post about not trusting 7 day results and how much nonfat fluctuation weight can be gained or lost that can throw off the results.
I did the math so you would have a point of reference. It is entirely possible you only lost the .5lb that your deficit suggests that you should lose and the other 2lbs were just a downturn.
How long have you been trying to slow you rate of loss? Your 30 day and 90 day results show that you have been losing 1.5ish pounds per week.
I think at least 3 weeks I’ve been trying to eat more. Possibly the last 30 days. It had said 1.75 before; so it’s the right direction but maybe not slow enough yet.
Adding 250 should get you to losing half a pound a week slower . . . but be aware that the slowing may (possibly, maybe) be not quite that much. Anecdotally, some people seem more sensitive than others to added calories . . . I'm not saying I think you'll gain or anything, I'm saying there's a small chance that adding calories could perk up your daily-life energy level, re-energize your workouts, increase your TDEE a little, and result in your losing still a little faster than you'd expect at increased calories. Maybe, maybe not - no guarantees. Either way, you need the 4-6 weeks average to see what's happening.
Also, though 250 is fairly small, keep in mind that you're adding a little extra average digestive system contents, and likely a few more carbs/extra sodium, so you could see a temporary water-weight jump on the scale, until things balance out. Don't panic, wait it out, hold out for the 4-6 week results. The only time to bail early from a new regimen is if you have negative symptoms like weakness or fatigue telling you you could be undereating. Otherwise, wait through a whole monthly cycle plus a little (if premenopausal female) to get a solid average (men or fully post-menopausal women might see a valid trend a little sooner).
You can do this!
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1. Looking at just 7 days could be a water weight fluctuation, so I wouldn't panic over that alone.
2. Remember, MFP's (or any other so-called "calculator's") calorie estimates are just an estimate, and based on limited input at that. Some people burn more (or less) than the "calculators" estimate. It doesn't matter why they do (after any health issues have been ruled out by a doctor, I mean). If you seem to be burning more than estimated, and have no relevant health problems, it could be a higher activity level than estimated, could be fidget-y, could just be some kind of statistical outlier. Doesn't matter.
So, look at your results over 4-6 weeks and adjust based on those. I don't know when in the last 30 days you started eating more, so maybe that rate of roughly 1.5 pounds a week includes a period of lower calorie intake, I dunno. But if you stick to your current approach (while tracking carefully) for a total of 4-6 weeks and continue to lose at that rate, but want to lose at 0.5-1 pound a week, then eat more.
At the point where you have 4-6 weeks of solid, consistently-estimated personal data, that's your truth. For every pound per week slower that you want to lose, add 500 calories daily. It doesn't matter any more whether your exercise tracking is "accurate", it only matters that it's consistent - you're using the same estimating source the same way every time.
It doesn't matter in the slightest at that point how much MFP or a TDEE calculator says you should be eating to maintain or to lose X amount: Your body is the perfect measuring device.
If your exercise is over (or underestimated) and you're losing 1 pound a week too fast, you should be able to safely eat 500 more calories daily, as long as you keep estimating the exercise in the same way, and doing about the same amount. If losing half a pound a week too fast, eat 250 calories more (similar arithmetic for other amounts). It'll be fine.
Thank you! This really illuminated a lot thank you. I was thinking without the steps adjustment I couldn’t know how much extra to eat but this just reminded me, I think you can do custom goals? I’ll add 250 and see how that goes. ❤️❤️funjen1972 wrote: »funjen1972 wrote: »Is your hair thinning as well as falling out? Just wondering since I lose a ton of hair all the time, but I also grow a ton of hair all the time. What falls out is replaced so I don't have any thinning.
Yes it’s noticeably thinner now. I had to cut it because the amount that was falling created these giant matted tangles that were very hard to brush out. Massive handfuls. Now it’s shorter it’s less noticeable in that way, but especially on my hairline I can tell it’s thinned out a lot. When it was long I could also see the ponytail circumference was. Down by at least 1/3rd.
Then yes, this is concerning. It may be coincindental and have nothing to do with your weight loss. I suggest a visit to your doctor to discuss it. I would request some blood work to make sure everything is within normal limits.
Again, thank you, but I have already done this and am in communication with my doctor.So there’s a gap there - somewhere in being projected to lose 0.5lb in the last week based on my logging & actually losing more according to the scale.
Not necessarily. I refer you to my previous post about not trusting 7 day results and how much nonfat fluctuation weight can be gained or lost that can throw off the results.
I did the math so you would have a point of reference. It is entirely possible you only lost the .5lb that your deficit suggests that you should lose and the other 2lbs were just a downturn.
How long have you been trying to slow you rate of loss? Your 30 day and 90 day results show that you have been losing 1.5ish pounds per week.
I think at least 3 weeks I’ve been trying to eat more. Possibly the last 30 days. It had said 1.75 before; so it’s the right direction but maybe not slow enough yet.
Adding 250 should get you to losing half a pound a week slower . . . but be aware that the slowing may (possibly, maybe) be not quite that much. Anecdotally, some people seem more sensitive than others to added calories . . . I'm not saying I think you'll gain or anything, I'm saying there's a small chance that adding calories could perk up your daily-life energy level, re-energize your workouts, increase your TDEE a little, and result in your losing still a little faster than you'd expect at increased calories. Maybe, maybe not - no guarantees. Either way, you need the 4-6 weeks average to see what's happening.
Also, though 250 is fairly small, keep in mind that you're adding a little extra average digestive system contents, and likely a few more carbs/extra sodium, so you could see a temporary water-weight jump on the scale, until things balance out. Don't panic, wait it out, hold out for the 4-6 week results. The only time to bail early from a new regimen is if you have negative symptoms like weakness or fatigue telling you you could be undereating. Otherwise, wait through a whole monthly cycle plus a little (if premenopausal female) to get a solid average (men or fully post-menopausal women might see a valid trend a little sooner).
You can do this!
Again, thank you so much!!! I found this all very confusing- probably much more confusing than someone in a masters level program truly should have. I wouldn’t have even known I was losing so fast before until someone on here (possibly you) pointed it out from the screenshots. Despite having the happy scale data in front of me 😂
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So I looked at 4 weeks of your diary.
Eating calories averages:
last 7 1802
prev 7 1916
prev 7 1673
prev 7 1681
What you should have lost based on food deficit:
last7 .5lb
prev7 1lb
prev7 1.7lb
prev7 1.2
That totals to a little over 4.5lbs and your scale report says 6.5.
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So I looked at 4 weeks of your diary.
Eating calories averages:
last 7 1802
prev 7 1916
prev 7 1673
prev 7 1681
What you should have lost based on food deficit:
last7 .5lb
prev7 1lb
prev7 1.7lb
prev7 1.2
That totals to a little over 4.5lbs and your scale report says 6.5.
Which means that +250 puts her closer to a 1lb a week pace and +500 puts her closer to a 0.5lb a week place.
Because of how trending weight apps work, the actual slow down (or speed up) will start taking place a few days before it starts being clearly reflected in the app.4 -
So I looked at 4 weeks of your diary.
Eating calories averages:
last 7 1802
prev 7 1916
prev 7 1673
prev 7 1681
What you should have lost based on food deficit:
last7 .5lb
prev7 1lb
prev7 1.7lb
prev7 1.2
That totals to a little over 4.5lbs and your scale report says 6.5.So I looked at 4 weeks of your diary.
Eating calories averages:
last 7 1802
prev 7 1916
prev 7 1673
prev 7 1681
What you should have lost based on food deficit:
last7 .5lb
prev7 1lb
prev7 1.7lb
prev7 1.2
That totals to a little over 4.5lbs and your scale report says 6.5.
Which means that +250 puts her closer to a 1lb a week pace and +500 puts her closer to a 0.5lb a week place.
Because of how trending weight apps work, the actual slow down (or speed up) will start taking place a few days before it starts being clearly reflected in the app.
Thank you!! I'll definitely bump it by 250 now. That really showcases the math
It's odd, according to MFP 1lb/week should be my calorie goal given. I guess with work, etc and other untracked movement it's higher. I'm surprised this isn't a more common issue!
And thank you both so much
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Officially updated my calorie goal manually & shifted my macros slightly for the heck of it. 5 -
Thank you!! I'll definitely bump it by 250 now. That really showcases the math
It's odd, according to MFP 1lb/week should be my calorie goal given. I guess with work, etc and other untracked movement it's higher. I'm surprised this isn't a more common issue!
And thank you both so much
It is hard to know how often someone's activity is selected incorrectly in the app or they are "in between" activity levels and simply need an adjustment. We really only know what people ask here. If you had been eating more of your exercise calories back on your 600+ burn days it might have taken longer to spot. But you have fairly low days and then higher calorie days and you were not eating enough to compensate. My eating pattern can also be erratic so I suggest you keep a closer eye on the week totals to make sure you ending with enough calories.
Since I am in a similar boat I track my 7 day calorie average all the time to make sure I don't dip too low which is funny because I am too low right now. This is uncommon for me now though so one week is not a major deal but I will bring it back up where it needs to be.
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Thank you!! I'll definitely bump it by 250 now. That really showcases the math
It's odd, according to MFP 1lb/week should be my calorie goal given. I guess with work, etc and other untracked movement it's higher. I'm surprised this isn't a more common issue!
And thank you both so much
It is hard to know how often someone's activity is selected incorrectly in the app or they are "in between" activity levels and simply need an adjustment. We really only know what people ask here. If you had been eating more of your exercise calories back on your 600+ burn days it might have taken longer to spot. But you have fairly low days and then higher calorie days and you were not eating enough to compensate. My eating pattern can also be erratic so I suggest you keep a closer eye on the week totals to make sure you ending with enough calories.
Since I am in a similar boat I track my 7 day calorie average all the time to make sure I don't dip too low which is funny because I am too low right now. This is uncommon for me now though so one week is not a major deal but I will bring it back up where it needs to be.
Thank you! Yes my eating is so variant! I feel like I have 2 modes now - eating a ton or eating what feels like enough to get me through the day comfortably (which was itself a Process to figure out this summer). Either fun/entertainment eating socially or fuel eating and there isn’t a good in between I’ve navigated yet, or I need to change some of the fuel day routines to be a little higher calorie. (Not to mention, nutritionally I need to eat more veggies)
The way my activity varies by day is really part of it, I think you’re right I need to pay more attention to my weekly totals than my day-to-day. Some work days I’ve hit (when I had my tracker) 13000 steps, and days at home even doing laundry and other tasks I’ve been under 3000.
If there was like an automatic weekly report notification I would definitely upgrade to premium. I’m disorganized enough I never really remember to check even though I know where it is at any regular intervals. (My disorganization is like 80% of my cause for weight gain/obesity other than emotional eating. It’s like this main thing in my life I need to work on. Chaos being 😐 lol).0 -
I'm going to repeat for emphasis something I said earlier: The "calclulators" just estimate. They can prove inaccurate, even if all your settings are tecnically correct.
I'm reading some of "maybe you're more active than you thought, and your settings are wrong" on this thread. And maybe that's true. But the estimate can be wrong even if settings are accurate. That's the nature of statistical estimates.
These are sound, research-based statistical single-output-value estimates. They're accurate or close for most people, because that's what good statistical estimates do. And they'll be further off for a very few people, because that's also how good statistical estimates of this type tend to behave.
There doesn't have to be an observable reason ("mistake you made") for the estimates to be inaccurate for you. Once you've tracked as meticulously as possible **, and you've found your empirical results, those results are facts (or close enough
).
It would be interesting to know why, for sure - but knowing why isn't vital for success, in practical terms.
** One does see, around the forums, a substantial amount of "I'm special, I can't lose on predicted calories", or "I'm eating maintenance calories and still losing, so I must be special" and overwhelming most often, inaccurate tracking of some type is at the root. Being a person who's simply at a statistically unusual point is rare (by definition), so other explanations are far more likely than "specialness". But it happens.4 -
@annpt77 For my part I think I made it clear that some people are in between activity levels (or more accurately the multipliers used on the BMR) which is the same as saying that even if you pick the correct activity level you might still need to adjust.
The OP's data is a touch more convoluted because in addition to a 200+ difference in eating patterns the exercise can be hardcore one week and pretty minimal the next. She is losing at different rates each week. Since she and I share a degree of "special" I felt like I needed to look over her numbers and assist.
@kiela64 If you want me to help you again with any tweaking do us both a favor and keep a handy list of your final daily calories and final exercise calories. In about 3 weeks tag me (@username) and I will be happy to help again if needed.1 -
I'm going to repeat for emphasis something I said earlier: The "calclulators" just estimate. They can prove inaccurate, even if all your settings are tecnically correct.
I'm reading some of "maybe you're more active than you thought, and your settings are wrong" on this thread. And maybe that's true. But the estimate can be wrong even if settings are accurate. That's the nature of statistical estimates.
These are sound, research-based statistical single-output-value estimates. They're accurate or close for most people, because that's what good statistical estimates do. And they'll be further off for a very few people, because that's also how good statistical estimates of this type tend to behave.
There doesn't have to be an observable reason ("mistake you made") for the estimates to be inaccurate for you. Once you've tracked as meticulously as possible **, and you've found your empirical results, those results are facts (or close enough ).
It would be interesting to know why, for sure - but knowing why isn't vital for success, in practical terms.
** One does see, around the forums, a substantial amount of "I'm special, I can't lose on predicted calories", or "I'm eating maintenance calories and still losing, so I must be special" and overwhelming most often, inaccurate tracking of some type is at the root. Being a person who's simply at a statistically unusual point is rare (by definition), so other explanations are far more likely than "specialness". But it happens.
Great points!
Yeah I'd definitely bet on my lack of organization, meticulousness, and understanding/knowing all the variables rather than being special in any way XD@annpt77 For my part I think I made it clear that some people are in between activity levels (or more accurately the multipliers used on the BMR) which is the same as saying that even if you pick the correct activity level you might still need to adjust.
The OP's data is a touch more convoluted because in addition to a 200+ difference in eating patterns the exercise can be hardcore one week and pretty minimal the next. She is losing at different rates each week. Since she and I share a degree of "special" I felt like I needed to look over her numbers and assist.
@kiela64 If you want me to help you again with any tweaking do us both a favor and keep a handy list of your final daily calories and final exercise calories. In about 3 weeks tag me (@username) and I will be happy to help again if needed. And thank you very much for that assist! Understanding the data I've generated is a struggle. I'm just glad I got a scale when I did - the previous times I've tried to lose weight were without one so it was a very vague understanding of the process.
Going forwards I will give a lot more emphasis to the weekly view. Maybe I will find a spot to write it down physically in my office so I can keep visual tabs on it every Sunday or something. Then I will have that list to give you, rather than leaving you to do the work of sifting through my diary. (Thank you, again )
I don't consider any of my "exercise" to be "hardcore" haha - it's been at least a month since I've even done anything like dedicated exercise. But I have been adjusting to a physical/active job, from an almost completely sedentary student lifestyle. My base habits are still extremely sedentary, with this active job thrown in. It's definitely creating some variety. I do love it, I feel like it's helping my life a ton, however understanding how it's affecting my calorie needs is a bit uncertain.
Maybe once I replace my lost tracker - I need to actually choose one first, that's in itself an overwhelming process with many variables I don't fully get - it will be a little easier. Currently I have no idea how to log my work activity without the tracker. Even going by my hours at work doesn't work because sometimes there's more walking, sometimes more squatting, it's just so variant. Yesterday I decided to log it as a walk for 2.0mph for 1/4 of the time I was at work, for no very good logical reason other than I thought I needed to log something.
I'm only about 4lbs away from no longer being obese, so I think regardless of the hair-loss issue, slowing down & being more attentive to fitness over weight loss is really important. I'm happy with the progress I've made & my aesthetics already make me happy. I just want to be a healthier weight for my busted knees and stronger to support them, and also for fun. I can feel muscles under my skin for like the first time and it's pretty neat XD1 -
@kiela64 If you want me to help you again with any tweaking do us both a favor and keep a handy list of your final daily calories and final exercise calories. In about 3 weeks tag me (@username) and I will be happy to help again if needed.
So would the weekly average be the correct thing to record?
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The average is fine if you also have the total number of exercise calories for the same period. I can also work with daily numbers if you accidentally forget.
Hardcore is a matter of perspective. I am not in a position yet to burn 600+ calories in a day. 1
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