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I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
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FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.9 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.7 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.10 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.
I guess that depends entirely on what your definition of valid is. My n=1 that the earth is flat does not make it so.7 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.
I guess that depends entirely on what your definition of valid is. My n=1 that the earth is flat does not make it so.
Valid = improved health markers in my life.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.
I guess that depends entirely on what your definition of valid is. My n=1 that the earth is flat does not make it so.
Valid = improved health markers in my life.
And many people experience similar improvements in health markers simply from losing weight. This is why the n=1 doesn’t trump direct scientific evidence.
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I'm unable to recall the person's involved here in the UK, they were interviewed recently, not that long ago. Having lived with the NHS concept of living with diabetes one diabetic became fed up with their lot and decided to try to improve their quality of life for themselves. Flying in the face of the then NHS recommended dietary the person went low carb, within months their doctor was so impressed by their being off medication the concept was suggested to others on the practice list to see if the concept could work for them, it did. The story made it on to lunch time news! This is an example of N=1 making a difference. Its now common practice for many diabetics to move to keto, very low carb or fewer than regularly advised amount of carbs.
Its fine for those of you who still have the benefit of very good health, a fully functioning body for whom weight loss is still easy, to consume all the carbs and whatever you wish but please permit those for whom life has dealt a harsher future to share the knowledge they have acquired. After all, no one interested in achieving health is going to live and eat in ways which are going to adversely effect their quality of life, its just not how homo-sapiens work. We generally resist the self destruct button.14 -
I'm unable to recall the person's involved here in the UK, they were interviewed recently, not that long ago. Having lived with the NHS concept of living with diabetes one diabetic became fed up with their lot and decided to try to improve their quality of life for themselves. Flying in the face of the then NHS recommended dietary the person went low carb, within months their doctor was so impressed by their being off medication the concept was suggested to others on the practice list to see if the concept could work for them, it did. The story made it on to lunch time news! This is an example of N=1 making a difference. Its now common practice for many diabetics to move to keto, very low carb or fewer than regularly advised amount of carbs.
Its fine for those of you who still have the benefit of very good health, a fully functioning body for whom weight loss is still easy, to consume all the carbs and whatever you wish but please permit those for whom life has dealt a harsher future to share the knowledge they have acquired. After all, no one interested in achieving health is going to live and eat in ways which are going to adversely effect their quality of life, its just not how homo-sapiens work. We generally resist the self destruct button.
Science has known that eating low carb helps lower blood sugar for a very long while. It isn't something magical that popped up recently and started curing diseases left and right (although the media makes it seem like it). There are conditions where lowering carbs (or fat, or protein) is beneficial. OP's question is simple: is keto worth it for weight loss, as in, does it produce better weight loss results? The answer is always "just like any diet, yes and no. Yes if it's more sustainable, no if it isn't".10 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.
No, it means you don't understand statistics (power)
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WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.
I guess that depends entirely on what your definition of valid is. My n=1 that the earth is flat does not make it so.
Valid = improved health markers in my life.
And many people experience similar improvements in health markers simply from losing weight. This is why the n=1 doesn’t trump direct scientific evidence.
My n=1 results that reduces my risks of a premature death TRUMPS general population scientific evidence if the general population results are not the same as my n=1 results that continues to improve my health markers over time.
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Keto_Vampire wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.
No, it means you don't understand statistics (power)
I do not think you understand when I comes to improving my health markers the averages of the human population results do not trump my n=1 results. If they sync up with general population statistics so be it and if not so be it.
Statistics is the best tool out there to twist the facts in the desired direction of the one paying the bill for the research. In undergrad school I did have a senior level Statistics Analysis class taught by the department head. He went over the BS associated with the field of statistics in general and how it can be a suckers game.
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Trouble with n=1, is the confirmation bias, conflation of correlational factors, myopic interpretation of findings, etc...7
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Trouble with n=1, is the confirmation bias, conflation of correlational factors, myopic interpretation of findings, etc...
Which is repeated ad naseum.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.
I guess that depends entirely on what your definition of valid is. My n=1 that the earth is flat does not make it so.
Valid = improved health markers in my life.
And many people experience similar improvements in health markers simply from losing weight. This is why the n=1 doesn’t trump direct scientific evidence.
My n=1 results that reduces my risks of a premature death TRUMPS general population scientific evidence if the general population results are not the same as my n=1 results that continues to improve my health markers over time.
You have no independent confirmation or basis for comparison, so your results are absolutely meaningless.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.
I guess that depends entirely on what your definition of valid is. My n=1 that the earth is flat does not make it so.
Valid = improved health markers in my life.
And many people experience similar improvements in health markers simply from losing weight. This is why the n=1 doesn’t trump direct scientific evidence.
My n=1 results that reduces my risks of a premature death TRUMPS general population scientific evidence if the general population results are not the same as my n=1 results that continues to improve my health markers over time.
The point you are missing is, you can’t be sure that it was your way of eating that caused the improved health markers, and not simply weight loss.5 -
WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.
I guess that depends entirely on what your definition of valid is. My n=1 that the earth is flat does not make it so.
Valid = improved health markers in my life.
And many people experience similar improvements in health markers simply from losing weight. This is why the n=1 doesn’t trump direct scientific evidence.
My n=1 results that reduces my risks of a premature death TRUMPS general population scientific evidence if the general population results are not the same as my n=1 results that continues to improve my health markers over time.
The point you are missing is, you can’t be sure that it was your way of eating that caused the improved health markers, and not simply weight loss.
Or spontaneous remission4 -
WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.
I guess that depends entirely on what your definition of valid is. My n=1 that the earth is flat does not make it so.
Valid = improved health markers in my life.
And many people experience similar improvements in health markers simply from losing weight. This is why the n=1 doesn’t trump direct scientific evidence.
My n=1 results that reduces my risks of a premature death TRUMPS general population scientific evidence if the general population results are not the same as my n=1 results that continues to improve my health markers over time.
The point you are missing is, you can’t be sure that it was your way of eating that caused the improved health markers, and not simply weight loss.
Exactly. Anyone who really understood science would realise that n=1 is invalid, for many reasons, but especially because correlation does not always equal causation. Especially when your n=1 is going by 'feels' alone.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
FIFY. Personal validity =/= medical validity. Apples, oranges.GaleHawkins wrote: »I have no means of measuring except I feel and see the difference, when I flex, my shape and overall bulk after a 15 pound loss, and I have done this many times before. But It may be I have only put 1 pound on because I havent been doing any heavy leg work. If so, that pound has gone a long way.
Its not just CNS strength gain. I cant quantify how much I think is strength gain, but its no where near as much as the muscle size gain. Perhaps too, because I know what exercises give me personally, the fastest gains, and the reps/sets/ etc to maximise that for me, that helps gain fast.
But the CNS is a really good topic, because it has a huge bearing on how effectively we recuperate from training. Cheers
I am sorry, but "feels" =/= actual results. You are making an assumption rather than making a statement based on actual data. Is there potential that you did gain some muscle? Maybe. But you don't have data to support your actual position. You have no clue if it was muscle gains, increase in blood flow (make you look pump), fat loss, muscle loss, etc...
I am glad you like what you see and have accomplished, but that in no way means you have data to support your position.
Thats the problem here on this forum. You have to have data, proof, verification. Experience means nothing! What you see in the mirror, its subjective, weights in the gym going up, oh just nervous energy, bigger biceps, oh thats easy...pump. I cant believe this. Ive been training for 45 years, 4 years as a competitive bodybuilder and you learn alot doing that. I have way more than just a "clue". You can have your science and data, I'll keep my results!
@Grambo54 you make valid points. I love science and data but in my life ONLY my n=1 has any personal medical validity. When old with failing health waiting 50 years for science and data to evolve is a death sentence.
I changed it from personal to medical to be more scientifically correct.
Which shows you've entirely missed the point. Finding something personally valid does not automatically make it medically/scientifically valid.
Finding something personally valid Does automatically make it medically and scientifically valid in n=1 trials.
I guess that depends entirely on what your definition of valid is. My n=1 that the earth is flat does not make it so.
Valid = improved health markers in my life.
And many people experience similar improvements in health markers simply from losing weight. This is why the n=1 doesn’t trump direct scientific evidence.
My n=1 results that reduces my risks of a premature death TRUMPS general population scientific evidence if the general population results are not the same as my n=1 results that continues to improve my health markers over time.
The average life expectency is 78.7, you have no clue if you have mitigated those risk and probably wont' for another 15 years.7
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