Questions For Those Who Monitor Their Heart Rate while Exercising

OldAssDude
OldAssDude Posts: 1,436 Member
in Fitness and Exercise
Although perceived effort is a fairly estimate of intensity, I prefer to monitor my heart rate during exercise in conjunction with how i feel. Sometimes i feel like i'm working harder that i actually am, and sometimes i feel like i'm not working as hard as i actually am. Using heart rate, there is no doubt, and using heart rate in conjunction with perceived exertion can tell you if you are recovering enough (or not enough).

I feel that heart rate training is a good way to improve cardio fitness level because the basic rule of thumb to get a minimum training effect is to keep your heart rate in the cardio zone for a minimum of 20 minutes non stop and a minimum of 3 times a week. You can't do that unless you know what your heart rate is during the workout.

The most important thing (and the first thing you should know) in heart rate training is your "true max heart rate". Since all your heart rate zones are based on MHR, they will all be off if your MHR is not correct. There are several ways to get your true max heart rate, from different formulas, to different tests you can do with a heart rate monitor, to having it done in a lab.

There are also different ways to setup heart rate zones: peercent of MHR, percent of HRR, percent of LT, etc...

Also, there are different zone systems: 3 zone, 5 zone, custom with sub zones, etc...

Which brings me to my questions.

what is your age and your MHR?

how did you get your MHR?

how do you have your zones setup (MHR, HRR, LT)?

what zone system do you use (3 zone, 5 zone, custom)?

my answers are as follows...

I'm 61 and currently have mine set at 174.

I used the EDWARDS formula. In addition i have got my HR up to 169 using a heart rate monitor enough times to be confident that the EDWARDS formula is probably a more accurate number for me. An ultra runner once told me to use the highest heart rate recorded and add 5 to that number. So 169 + 5 = 174.

I currently have my zones set to percent of MHR.

I currently use a standard 5 zone system.

I am interested to know how other people that do heart rate training set their numbers.

thanks in advance,
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  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    I'm 40. I think my MHR is in the ballpark of 190, not really sure. My LTHR when running is 165 bpm, on the bike it's around 155-160. I base my heart rate zones in my LTHR. Sometimes I look at the time in zones chart after I do something, if I'm concerned. Rarely look at it while I'm exercising.

    It's pretty much the case that if I do anything hard, it's going to increase my heart rate. If I so something sustained, my heart rate will stay elevated. Yesterday I beat my best time on a segment, you can see what part of the ride this was just from looking at the HR or power (or speed) charts. I think this is one of those causation/correlation things.

    Also, there's value in moderate intensity exercise, both for fitness and weight loss.
  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
    edited November 2018
    First of all, I disagree with there is anything "reliable" about either HR-based training or RPE. But that's not really what you're asking. So...

    When my training is really focused and dialed in, I base HR zones off of my LTHR, not my Max HR. There are reasons to workout in different zones at different intensities. Whether or not your goals necessitate training in any specific (or all) zones is going to vary person to person. But those workouts are usually done indoors, under more controlled circumstances.

    Outdoors it's too hard to manage my HR and there are too many factors that can influence it, especially when you get into higher HR zones that can cover much narrower HR ranges.


    Specifically to your questions...
    I'm 42.
    Max achieved HR is 192.
    I use 5 zones based off of my LTHR.

  • belgerian
    belgerian Posts: 1,059 Member
    I use mine to see if i am really getting tired (HR above 170) or is it just mental.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,223 Member
    edited November 2018
    OldAssDude wrote: »

    what is your age and your MHR?
    Age 63 (in a couple weeks), about 180bpm (not retested in a few years, but physiological benchmarks suggest it hasn't changed much, and one would expect only gradual change in someone who stays sufficiently active).
    how did you get your MHR?
    Max test on a rowing machine. In brief, keep increasing pace at given intervals until the new higher pace cannot be sustained for 5 strokes, while someone else records heart rate every 15 seconds. Graph & analyze.
    how do you have your zones setup (MHR, HRR, LT)?
    HRR.
    what zone system do you use (3 zone, 5 zone, custom)?
    Mostly 3 from a practical standpoint, but it's a grouping down from 5 rather than the standard 3, so I guess that's custom? ;)

    Truthfully, I don't train in a structured way anymore. I keep monitoring heart rate because I think data is fun, and it helps me push myself to keep intensity up during workouts (when appropriate - base is a thing ;) ).

    Heart rate, like anything else, is an approximation and guide. I observe the changes in heart rate response with weather, fatigue, hydration, etc., and it's important not to tell oneself fairy tales about the precision of our training. I'm not, never was, never will be an elite athlete, so approximate is plenty good enough for me.

  • Duck_Puddle
    Duck_Puddle Posts: 3,237 Member
    I am 44 and my MHR is ~190 (that’s 7 (5-10) above the highest observed number which has repeatedly occurred after series of max effort sprints). Don’t really use MHR for a lot so this method is accurate enough.

    Zone calculations and number of zones and any other HR voodoo is determined by my coach. Based on the ranges he gives me, I’m guessing they are based on LTHR but I dunno. That’s what I pay him for. I’m the worker bee. He gives me a range if it is applicable to that particular workout.

    But just as an aside, HR is not gospel by any stretch of the imagination. I ran a little over 1000 miles training for the marathon I ran a month ago. They were almost all “easy” runs. Depending on the day, the weather, my fatigue, my mood, my coffee consumption, the alignment of the planets, my level of recovery, etc. my HR ranged from 110-150 on those runs, with the vast majority being in the 125-130 range.

    When I was at the starting line for the marathon-just standing-my HR was 148. Obviously that’s a pretty extreme example, but HR leaves PLENTY of doubt. Thank goodness I had something to go off other than HR - which was obviously seriously affected by lots of things other than level of exertion.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    No idea what my MHR is. I don't really monitor anything or try to work in some specific zone...I ride primarily for my heart health and recreation. Even if I'm actively training for something, I don't really get all into it as I'm a recreational athlete, not a competitive one.

    On most of my rides, my average HR is around 140...it'll go 150-155 if I'm doing hills or intervals on the trainer.
  • MelanieCN77
    MelanieCN77 Posts: 4,047 Member
    Really the only time I check deliberately is if I am looking to take a run break because I'm feeling worn out and want to see if it's because I'm approaching my max, which seems to be around 170 those times I feel like I need to pack in whatever I'm doing (mostly running up hills).
  • HoneyBadger302
    HoneyBadger302 Posts: 2,070 Member
    I've tracked it with a HRM for awhile, especially when I'm working on improving my cardio just before race season kicks off.

    This last year (at the time, 39, F) I maxed out one day at 192 - that was NOT something I could sustain, but I wanted to see how hard I could push.

    170-184 was a good "hard cardio" zone I could maintain for a period of time.
    145-170 was a "sustainable for a long period of time" cardio zone
    Below 145 felt pretty easy in terms of cardio "strain."

    Within a matter of a couple/few minutes of rest/cool down, I would typically drop back to the low 120 range.

    Current RHR while sitting here at my desk is around 66bpm, would be less as a true resting HR.
  • Djproulx
    Djproulx Posts: 3,084 Member
    OldAssDude wrote: »
    Sometimes i feel like i'm working harder that i actually am, and sometimes i feel like i'm not working as hard as i actually am. Using heart rate, there is no doubt

    I don't agree. For example, though I typically have a low HR, (low 40's as true RHR, mid 50's while sitting around) I happened to look at my HRM while standing at the starting line before this year's first race, and my heart rate was already 105bpm while standing still. So variability does happen, for a number of reasons.

    Regarding what I do use: LTHR for running (not Max HR) and I use Power Meter values (watts) when riding the bike. I do periodic threshold tests during training to get these values.
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    what is your age and your MHR?
    When I had mine tested I was 54 and it was 176bpm.

    how did you get your MHR?
    In a sports science lab on an exercise bike using a ramp test to failure while hooked up to breath analyser as part of a VO2 max test. Hit all criteria for a true max HR, felt like I had been hit by a bus for 3 days, gave myself exercise induced asthma. Not something to be attempted lightly.

    how do you have your zones setup (MHR, HRR, LT)?
    MHR

    what zone system do you use (3 zone, 5 zone, custom)?
    I used 5 zones but only for a limited time (one season).

    Zone training was useful in year one of serious training but wasn't required after that.
    I quickly learned what HR translated to all day pace, brisk pace, highest sustainable pace, too high to be sustainable pace, into the red zone and back off you silly old bugger pace..... :)

    "Using heart rate, there is no doubt"     - no that's not true, many factors outside exercise intensity affect HR.
  • ruthbardell
    ruthbardell Posts: 76 Member
    My MHR is 202, as discovered when I wore my heart rate monitor in a sprint on water rowing race. I am 38. I base training zones on HRR and use 5 zones, because that is what my current rowing training plan uses.

    I haven't been using a HRM for very long. I am finding it useful for some of the near max sessions that I do. In training I have a tendency to allow my mind to give up long before my body will do - seeing the numbers on screen telling me that I am nowhere near max heart rate, and have pushed harder and longer than this in races allows me to quiet the voice in my head telling me I should just stop!
  • OldAssDude
    OldAssDude Posts: 1,436 Member
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    I'd think the "Old School" way to do it would be to use 220-age for MHR, check HR by manual palpation at the carotid artery, and train in the "fat burning" zone for max effect. And record all the above in a notebook using pencil and paper.

    hahaha... good one.
  • ACDodd
    ACDodd Posts: 129 Member
    I guess I will find out when they do my treadmill stress test.
    I have an abnormal EKG.
    My resting heart rate is around 50 with it sometimes dropping to 47 or so.
    That worried my doc and she has ordered a stress test and cardiac ultrasound.
    If I live through the stress test I should know my max number.
    Right now I just keep my HR above 130 while exercising.
    Seems to be helping because putting on my socks and boots is not an aerobic exercise anymore. :)
  • spiriteagle99
    spiriteagle99 Posts: 3,743 Member
    I'm 61, with a maximum HR of 185- 190, based on my HRM when I was on a TM recently doing one mile intervals at 5k pace. Maximum read was 185, so adding 5 to that makes it 190.

    I have a Garmin with a wrist HRM, which reads higher than the chest band I use sometimes on the TM. The wrist HRM can be very erratic, and has read as high as 210 when I was just starting a run. I don't take it too seriously as a result. I also live in a hilly area, so my HR can go up quickly and will stay up, even when running quite easy. Perceived effort is a better gauge for me. I will occasionally do a run where I look at my HR instead of my pace, as a way of keeping the HR down, but the only way to keep it really low is to walk, and that's not what I'm out there for.

    I don't worry about intensity minutes, since my watch says I usually do 700% of the minimum on most weeks.

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,223 Member
    ACDodd wrote: »
    I guess I will find out when they do my treadmill stress test.
    I have an abnormal EKG.
    My resting heart rate is around 50 with it sometimes dropping to 47 or so.
    That worried my doc and she has ordered a stress test and cardiac ultrasound.
    If I live through the stress test I should know my max number.
    Right now I just keep my HR above 130 while exercising.
    Seems to be helping because putting on my socks and boots is not an aerobic exercise anymore. :)

    The humorless cardiac stress test technicians wouldn't let me keep going after I got to about my age-estimated max heart rate, even though I had enough breath left to argue with them about it while continuing.

    I wouldn't count on learning your MHR for training purposes from a medical stress test.

    It sounds like you're making progress as it is, though, given the socks and boots improvement. Good show!
  • L1zardQueen
    L1zardQueen Posts: 8,753 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    ACDodd wrote: »
    I guess I will find out when they do my treadmill stress test.
    I have an abnormal EKG.
    My resting heart rate is around 50 with it sometimes dropping to 47 or so.
    That worried my doc and she has ordered a stress test and cardiac ultrasound.
    If I live through the stress test I should know my max number.
    Right now I just keep my HR above 130 while exercising.
    Seems to be helping because putting on my socks and boots is not an aerobic exercise anymore. :)

    The humorless cardiac stress test technicians wouldn't let me keep going after I got to about my age-estimated max heart rate, even though I had enough breath left to argue with them about it while continuing.

    I wouldn't count on learning your MHR for training purposes from a medical stress test.

    It sounds like you're making progress as it is, though, given the socks and boots improvement. Good show!

    I did the stress test too! I needed to do the artificial one. Not fun at all.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,223 Member
    L1zardQueen wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    ACDodd wrote: »
    I guess I will find out when they do my treadmill stress test.
    I have an abnormal EKG.
    My resting heart rate is around 50 with it sometimes dropping to 47 or so.
    That worried my doc and she has ordered a stress test and cardiac ultrasound.
    If I live through the stress test I should know my max number.
    Right now I just keep my HR above 130 while exercising.
    Seems to be helping because putting on my socks and boots is not an aerobic exercise anymore. :)

    The humorless cardiac stress test technicians wouldn't let me keep going after I got to about my age-estimated max heart rate, even though I had enough breath left to argue with them about it while continuing.

    I wouldn't count on learning your MHR for training purposes from a medical stress test.

    It sounds like you're making progress as it is, though, given the socks and boots improvement. Good show!

    I did the stress test too! I needed to do the artificial one. Not fun at all.

    I actually found the treadmill medical stress test kind of entertaining, and easier than several things my rowing coach had had me do previously. But that's easy for me to say, since (1) I turned out not to have any heart problems, and (2) I'd been quite active for quite a while before doing the treadmill test, so the amount they let me do wasn't really a huge challenge, even though it wasn't my usual exercise modality (I row, and I emphatically don't run).

    I absolutely understand why others wouldn't feel the same way (I'm lucky), and if by "artificial one" you mean the version where they inject you with a drug rather than having you exercise, I can imagine that that is pretty unpleasant. My dad, at around age 85, didn't like it, and he'd found the treadmill test pretty do-able at 83 (I don't think they made him go very hard, frankly; I think they were surprised he could do it at all . . . but he'd been treadmilling daily at the assisted living place).
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,565 Member
    Reading along here and finding out answers to questions I was afraid to ask :o I've been concerned because even though my resting heartrate is 62 (it used to be over 90), it will shoot up 20 points or so just getting up and walking. Sounds like that's perfectly normal. I also see my heartrate going up into the mid 170's when I'm running, even though I'm only slightly breathless and don't feel any where near my max. I'm 67 and the formulas indicate my maximum heartrate should only be around 153. Should this be a problem?
  • OldAssDude
    OldAssDude Posts: 1,436 Member
    mph323 wrote: »
    Reading along here and finding out answers to questions I was afraid to ask :o I've been concerned because even though my resting heartrate is 62 (it used to be over 90), it will shoot up 20 points or so just getting up and walking. Sounds like that's perfectly normal. I also see my heartrate going up into the mid 170's when I'm running, even though I'm only slightly breathless and don't feel any where near my max. I'm 67 and the formulas indicate my maximum heartrate should only be around 153. Should this be a problem?

    What type of heart rate monitor do you use?

    I ask because sometimes they lock onto your cadence instead of your actual heart rate.
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,565 Member
    OldAssDude wrote: »
    mph323 wrote: »
    Reading along here and finding out answers to questions I was afraid to ask :o I've been concerned because even though my resting heartrate is 62 (it used to be over 90), it will shoot up 20 points or so just getting up and walking. Sounds like that's perfectly normal. I also see my heartrate going up into the mid 170's when I'm running, even though I'm only slightly breathless and don't feel any where near my max. I'm 67 and the formulas indicate my maximum heartrate should only be around 153. Should this be a problem?

    What type of heart rate monitor do you use?

    I ask because sometimes they lock onto your cadence instead of your actual heart rate.

    I'm using a Wahoo Tickr. Interesting thought - I do have a wahoo cadence device linked in, but I haven't used it for running yet, just cycling.
  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
    OldAssDude wrote: »
    mph323 wrote: »
    Reading along here and finding out answers to questions I was afraid to ask :o I've been concerned because even though my resting heartrate is 62 (it used to be over 90), it will shoot up 20 points or so just getting up and walking. Sounds like that's perfectly normal. I also see my heartrate going up into the mid 170's when I'm running, even though I'm only slightly breathless and don't feel any where near my max. I'm 67 and the formulas indicate my maximum heartrate should only be around 153. Should this be a problem?

    What type of heart rate monitor do you use?

    I ask because sometimes they lock onto your cadence instead of your actual heart rate.

    They do? What exactly do you mean by that?
  • fuzzylop72
    fuzzylop72 Posts: 651 Member
    edited November 2018
    When I used HR, I did LT test on a treadmill -- it wasn't a super pleasant experience. I'm lazy though, and eventually switched to just pace based running (via vdot) since it's close enough for my needs. I was using an HRM-Run at the time.
  • Duck_Puddle
    Duck_Puddle Posts: 3,237 Member
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    OldAssDude wrote: »
    mph323 wrote: »
    Reading along here and finding out answers to questions I was afraid to ask :o I've been concerned because even though my resting heartrate is 62 (it used to be over 90), it will shoot up 20 points or so just getting up and walking. Sounds like that's perfectly normal. I also see my heartrate going up into the mid 170's when I'm running, even though I'm only slightly breathless and don't feel any where near my max. I'm 67 and the formulas indicate my maximum heartrate should only be around 153. Should this be a problem?

    What type of heart rate monitor do you use?

    I ask because sometimes they lock onto your cadence instead of your actual heart rate.

    They do? What exactly do you mean by that?

    Google Garmin cadence lock. It’s an intermittent bug that’s been around for years. I think it is only a possible occurrence when the cadence and HR data is coming from the same device (eg the Garmin HRM that has the running dynamics included), but I’m not positive. And even then-it’s a very intermittent thing.

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