Unpopular opinions

yakkystuff

Fat bashing is worse. Especially by fat people on themself first, and second to that, on others.

paperpudding

HAES… Needs to just go away…

Fat Liberation, Fat Sexy, Body Positivity, Fat Spectrum are all socially damaging. Plus sized, Full figured are all phrases that are doing more damage than good.

People need to feel fear, people need to feel guilt. Protecting everyone from that fear and guilt is literally like telling a druggy a "self medicating individual"… Do you think that helps?

If the Plus Sized section said "Obese Women" if the Big and Tall Section said "Obese or Tall" I think we would have a different relationship with health.

I do not agree with this.

I think there are some good points to HAES

Like everything there are parts of the message which might not be so good or were distorted - but the basics I agree with - encouraging excercise and self worth at all sizes is good thing

No I do not think people need to feel fear and guilt - i n fact I think those are very poor motivators and I do not think plus size clothing etc needs to be reframed in a way that becomes derogatory.

and yes I know obese is just a word with a real meaning - but using it in that context would not be helpful for anyone.

I dont like calling people using drugs "druggies" either. I dont think derogatory language helps anyone.

sollyn23l2

https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/48843656#Comment_48843656

This. And I'll add that fear and guilt often lead to overeating in an attempt to feel relief from the fear and guilt. So creating more really isn't going to solve the obesity issue.

springlering62

Nobody ever called me fat, vocally, except myself, although we all knew it.

No one is crueler to us than our own selves.

I have vivid memories of Mom hitting and slapping herself in front of the mirror, crying,”You stupid ugly fat kitten”. I wish I could turn back the clock and ask her why she did this, who made her feel this way, and reassure her that she was beautiful to me. But I was too young to understand, and grew up thinking, “oh that must be how you’re supposed to act when you’re fat.” I didn’t hit myself, but did all the rest of it.

I did, however, see “fat” in people’s eyes. I still have a horror of trying to get into a restaurant booth, scooch between chairs or tables, or awkwardly going through a door at the same time as someone else coming in the other direction.

And what puzzles me is it seems like people are far more willing to help me with doors, packages etc as a clearly healthy and capable thin person than they would’ve been when I was obese and could’ve used the help- although pigheaded me wouldn’t have accepted it anyway.

Words matter, they really do. But hiding behind kinder, gentler euphemisms doesn’t help anyone. When I “graduated” to women’s sizes, well, I was a woman, and that was how it was supposed to be. It was the path that the words of society deemed I should be on.