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Here's my unpopular opinion-- ethnic differences matter with diets and what's normal for one group to eat isn't always good for another group to eat...and saying that shouldn't be racist.7
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lacyphacelia wrote: »Here's my unpopular opinion-- ethnic differences matter with diets and what's normal for one group to eat isn't always good for another group to eat...and saying that shouldn't be racist.
There may be some merit to this...I do not know for sure in regards to diet.
I do know that at the highest level, athletes of African descent tend to be over-represented in the running sports - and within those athletes of African descent, it was found that those of Kenyan descent are the most dominant of the African descended countries, and that several of the top runners of that subgroup had lineage traceable to the Kalenjin tribal group originating in Kenya.
I believe there is also an adjusted BMI for those of Asian descent due to a smaller frame on average, and that Samoans, Polynesians etc tend to be much larger on average than other countries.
These things could support your hypothesis, however I don't know enough beyond the above to help back it up.
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Copper_Boom wrote: »
I'm weird, because I think mayo is disgusting, but adore aioli as the correct fry condiment. Garlic really does make everything better.9 -
youcantflexcardio wrote: »
Essentially no one (outside of an area with a famine) needs to actually think about it in order to get plenty of fat for hormone production.
I would argue that type of fat matters (and in particular omega 3 to omega 6 ratio not being totally out of whack), but then we are back to it not being macros that determine whether a diet is healthy, but more specific food choices. Humans thrive on huge varieties of different macros in different societies, and an obsession with the right macros probably obscures what really matters for health. IMO.8 -
Here is mine... men typically underestimate their own bodyfat percentage by at least 5%... Sometimes much more.
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Copper_Boom wrote: »
Isn't that a Belgian thing? I remember getting mayo with fries at a Belgian restaurant in San Francisco.
This was a work outing - for some reason that particular company's celebratory foods were fries and champagne (no we didn't dip fries in champagne).0 -
youcantflexcardio wrote: »
Essentially no one (outside of an area with a famine) needs to actually think about it in order to get plenty of fat for hormone production.
I would argue that type of fat matters (and in particular omega 3 to omega 6 ratio not being totally out of whack), but then we are back to it not being macros that determine whether a diet is healthy, but more specific food choices. Humans thrive on huge varieties of different macros in different societies, and an obsession with the right macros probably obscures what really matters for health. IMO.
Just because they are essential, no one cares to quantify just how much is essential (so it must be important, right? Important/essential does NOT translate to more is better). Like you said, essential fatty acid deficiency only really occurs in starvation and sometimes in neonates/failure to thrive cases; other than those, essential fatty acid deficiency is unheard of.6 -
Copper_Boom wrote: »
Isn't that a Belgian thing? I remember getting mayo with fries at a Belgian restaurant in San Francisco.
This was a work outing - for some reason that particular company's celebratory foods were fries and champagne (no we didn't dip fries in champagne).
I think -- I got into it because of going to this place, which is basically a Belgian bar. https://hopleafbar.com/0 -
youcantflexcardio wrote: »lacyphacelia wrote: »Here's my unpopular opinion-- ethnic differences matter with diets and what's normal for one group to eat isn't always good for another group to eat...and saying that shouldn't be racist.
There may be some merit to this...I do not know for sure in regards to diet.
I was talking in terms of the typical idea that anyone can "eat anything they want" and as long as they'e CICO, they're good. There is more to nutrition and health than maintaining one's weight. For example, I'm of Asian ancestry and I can't handle a lot of dairy in my diet. Health professionals have told me when a lot of people in my ethnicity emigrate here and adopt the SAD, their cholesterol levels go up.7 -
It's unquestionable that many people (most, worldwide) are lactose intolerant.
Very few from northern or western Europe are.
No one suggests that everyone should consume foods they have a negative reaction to. My dad has for a long time done well in controlling his cholesterol by limiting sat fat, and T2Ds must balance and watch carbs. I personally have no food allergies or medical issues (knock on wood!), but have some issues with corn so avoid it except for as fresh as possible in season, since it's worth it.
I don't think the lactose thing really suggests a broad-scale difference as to recommended diet between most populations.
The so-called SAD isn't really good for anyone (whether it's fair to call what is being referred to as the standard American diet is another question, as it's absolutely not how we ate when I grew up in the US and not what I think the traditional American diet is).7 -
jseams1234 wrote: »Here is mine... men typically underestimate their own bodyfat percentage by at least 5%... Sometimes much more.
I do a bunch of intakes where I ask, on the honor system, "how tall are you, how much do you weigh"....Guys lie lie lie. I believe that if I asked guys their body fat, I'd get the same big time underestimates.
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chris_in_cal wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »Here is mine... men typically underestimate their own bodyfat percentage by at least 5%... Sometimes much more.
I do a bunch of intakes where I ask, on the honor system, "how tall are you, how much do you weigh"....Guys lie lie lie. I believe that if I asked guys their body fat, I'd get the same big time underestimates.
I'd bet that a lot of them are not lying on purpose. In the house I live in, I am the only one who even owns a scale and knows his true (within the week) waist/neck measurement. Most of my friends, with the exception of those who go to the gym, haven't stepped on a scale since their last doctor visit.0 -
youcantflexcardio wrote: »chris_in_cal wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »Here is mine... men typically underestimate their own bodyfat percentage by at least 5%... Sometimes much more.
I do a bunch of intakes where I ask, on the honor system, "how tall are you, how much do you weigh"....Guys lie lie lie. I believe that if I asked guys their body fat, I'd get the same big time underestimates.
I'd bet that a lot of them are not lying on purpose. In the house I live in, I am the only one who even owns a scale and knows his true (within the week) waist/neck measurement. Most of my friends, with the exception of those who go to the gym, haven't stepped on a scale since their last doctor visit.
It doesn't explain fitness related forums like this. We tend to find that most people who claim a certain percentage and are finally pushed to post a pic are usually way off. It's common for dudes to wonder why they don't have any ab definition when "I'm 12% BF but my abs don't show". It's usually because they are more like 20%. Heck, we see it from guys who are actually lean and think they are 5% but are really just 12%. I think guys lie about their height and weight just as often as women - but in the opposite direction. 13 -
lacyphacelia wrote: »youcantflexcardio wrote: »lacyphacelia wrote: »Here's my unpopular opinion-- ethnic differences matter with diets and what's normal for one group to eat isn't always good for another group to eat...and saying that shouldn't be racist.
There may be some merit to this...I do not know for sure in regards to diet.
I was talking in terms of the typical idea that anyone can "eat anything they want" and as long as they'e CICO, they're good. There is more to nutrition and health than maintaining one's weight. For example, I'm of Asian ancestry and I can't handle a lot of dairy in my diet. Health professionals have told me when a lot of people in my ethnicity emigrate here and adopt the SAD, their cholesterol levels go up.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when people immigrate to the US and adopt US dietary patterns, don't their cholesterol levels begin to approach those of the population that was already eating the diet? In other words, it isn't that Asians are uniquely unsuited to the SAD . . . it's that the SAD tends to increase cholesterol in all humans.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »lacyphacelia wrote: »youcantflexcardio wrote: »lacyphacelia wrote: »Here's my unpopular opinion-- ethnic differences matter with diets and what's normal for one group to eat isn't always good for another group to eat...and saying that shouldn't be racist.
There may be some merit to this...I do not know for sure in regards to diet.
I was talking in terms of the typical idea that anyone can "eat anything they want" and as long as they'e CICO, they're good. There is more to nutrition and health than maintaining one's weight. For example, I'm of Asian ancestry and I can't handle a lot of dairy in my diet. Health professionals have told me when a lot of people in my ethnicity emigrate here and adopt the SAD, their cholesterol levels go up.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when people immigrate to the US and adopt US dietary patterns, don't their cholesterol levels begin to approach those of the population that was already eating the diet? In other words, it isn't that Asians are uniquely unsuited to the SAD . . . it's that the SAD tends to increase cholesterol in all humans.
I agree with this. If you go the opposite direction, and take a random person who has been raised on a SAD diet and put them on an eating plan from an area that has better health markers, it's just as likely they will tend to reduce cholesterol, whether or not they are of a similar ethnic background. That's why regional diets from places like blue zones are generally recommended as healthy for most people, not just those who live in that specific area.10 -
youcantflexcardio wrote: »I'd bet that a lot of them are not lying on purpose.
Well, I am eyeballing it as much as these men, so who knows. Statistics tells me, if they weren't lying and it was unintentional, about half of them I would think "no, that guy is clearly taller than that" and also "no, that guy clearly weighs less then that." I don't recall ever thinking that.
Now, if it is men in the "I want to be big range," age 25-35, I imagine they might over estimate their weight, but NEVER their height.
BTW: I've measured my height excruciatingly carefully, as close to millimeters as I can get. (of course our height fluctuates throughout the day 'taller in the morning') and I weigh myself on a wifi scale that gets posted here on MFP. I could walk around all of my pleasant co-workers here in the office and ask "do you think I am obese" and I expect I'd hear "no, you are just stout" or some such. I am obese, both according to my BMI, and according to me personally.5 -
A trainer told me "you have to hate fat people because you can't be something you hate" and I've been struggling with my self esteem since10
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MissShancey1 wrote: »A trainer told me "you have to hate fat people because you can't be something you hate" and I've been struggling with my self esteem since
Yikes. I'm so sorry they said that to you.0 -
Eating under your daily caloric need is fine if you recognize that it is not sustainable and you shouldn't do it often. I think we're told by media that we are supposed to be constantly eating something to be healthy but that is literally the most unhealthy some people could be doing ...4
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MissShancey1 wrote: »A trainer told me "you have to hate fat people because you can't be something you hate" and I've been struggling with my self esteem since
Wow, he isn't a nice person.
I hope you aren't still lining his pockets?
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madelaine_xo wrote: »Eating under your daily caloric need is fine if you recognize that it is not sustainable and you shouldn't do it often. I think we're told by media that we are supposed to be constantly eating something to be healthy but that is literally the most unhealthy some people could be doing ...
The definition of weight loss is eating under your daily caloric need. I guess it's not sustainable if you continue to do it after you reach goal weight and end up starving to death.
Am I missing something here?11 -
MissShancey1 wrote: »A trainer told me "you have to hate fat people because you can't be something you hate" and I've been struggling with my self esteem since
I'm so sorry that a thoughtless and rude comment has stuck with you for so long. We (people) are so much more than the size or shape of our body. We know this logically, but unfortunately there seems to be an illogical component to our thinking that sometimes override the logical part. I hope someday you are able to get past it. (((hugs)))1 -
No kid (unless they have a physical disability) should have a battery powered ride on toy..
Why encourage childhood obesity?3 -
Weight loss surgery is not the easy way out. I'm 10 weeks out from gastric bypass surgery and it is anything but easy. My taste buds have changed drastically and I have been living on mainly cheese and muscle milk protein drinks. Every once in a while I can have mashed potatoes, chicken or hamburger meat. But my stomach doesn't tolerate those too much. The surgery is only a tool, I have to work hard. I am off 5 medications I was on. I'm 38 pounds down so far. 84 in the past year. I also had to have a second procedure because my small intestine was obstructed and I apparently develop scar tissue freakishly fast. This is not easy at all, but I would do it over again in a heart beat.11
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Packerjohn wrote: »No kid (unless they have a physical disability) should have a battery powered ride on toy..
Why encourage childhood obesity?
Oh good God, now I am encouraging obesity because I bought my daughters a barbie jeep that they can drive around our neighborhood? I bought them bicycles as well, and always encourage physical activity, but apparently I am still encouraging obesity for buying them something they enjoy. Seriously, where do people come up with this crap?34 -
Packerjohn wrote: »No kid (unless they have a physical disability) should have a battery powered ride on toy..
Why encourage childhood obesity?
Oh good God, now I am encouraging obesity because I bought my daughters a barbie jeep that they can drive around our neighborhood? I bought them bicycles as well, and always encourage physical activity, but apparently I am still encouraging obesity for buying them something they enjoy. Seriously, where do people come up with this crap?
See, you are not only contributing to their obesity, but reinforcing gender stereotypes. You are truly an evil person.
And I am 100% in agreement with your take on this in case the sarcasm didn't come through.18 -
Packerjohn wrote: »No kid (unless they have a physical disability) should have a battery powered ride on toy..
Why encourage childhood obesity?
Oh good God, now I am encouraging obesity because I bought my daughters a barbie jeep that they can drive around our neighborhood? I bought them bicycles as well, and always encourage physical activity, but apparently I am still encouraging obesity for buying them something they enjoy. Seriously, where do people come up with this crap?
I don't see how a battery-operated ride-on toy "encourages" obesity any more than a toy/activity that encourages a child to stay in one place (like a dollhouse or a book or a bunch of crayons). It's all about the overall lifestyle of the child, not any single toy.13 -
When I was a kid I'd love to spend hours and hours sitting on the couch reading.
Clearly by taking me to the library my parents were encouraging obesity!14 -
Same here. And I also had gasoline-powered ride-on toys (go-karts and dirt bikes), and a video game console too, no less! And I ate like a horse - but was skinny as a rail. Go figure.When I was a kid I'd love to spend hours and hours sitting on the couch reading.
Exactly. In addition to being an avid reader and having ride-on toys, I also played baseball, football, basketball, raced bicycles, rode skateboards, bodysurfed, swam (at the pool and beach), etc. My overall lifestyle was very balanced between sedentary/resting activities and being active.janejellyroll wrote: »I don't see how a battery-operated ride-on toy "encourages" obesity any more than a toy/activity that encourages a child to stay in one place (like a dollhouse or a book or a bunch of crayons). It's all about the overall lifestyle of the child, not any single toy.10
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