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My maybe unpopular opinion: beyond getting enough protein (which if you eat meat you really have to try hard not to do in the US), macros don't really have anything to do with what a healthy diet is.20
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Runaroundafieldx2 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
A whole food based, LCHF diet should be the default diet used most of the time by the majority of people to help achieve improved health.
By that I mean that avoiding refined and highly processed carbs (flours, sugars, etc) and fats ( vegetable oils from seeds or beans) and eating a diet based on meat, seafood, eggs, possibly dairy, and lower GL vegetables, nuts, seeds, and fruits, the majority of the time, would lead to better health and outcomes, especially for IR, CVD, cognitive issues, and some AI issues or cancers, for most people.
I get that moderation in all things where CI<CO (and eventually CI=CO) may work well for some in terms of weight control, which then may improve health issues, but I think that adding LCHF to the mix could improve things further for many, and may work well to help health when weight loss absent.
Avoiding, or at least minimizing, refined and highly processed foods is, calorie for calorie and macro for macro, a healthier way to eat. IMO
Saying a lchf diet will lead to a better outcome for people with cancer is irresponsible at best
I did not say it will always lead to better outcomes for all people with cancer. It may for some cancers. It will usually not hurt whatever cancer therapy you are using, but it should be researched first. (For example, it appears helpful to breast cancer but possibly harmful in kidney cancer.) Once deemed safe, a dietary change is usually a small risk to take, IMO.
There is a fair bit of emerging evidence that LCHF or keto can help with cachexia, as well as affecting some tumor growth, and quality of life. Much is still in mouse, dog and other animal studies. There is some in human studies, but it is still limited.
Ignoring diet when treating cancer, or chronic disease, is irresponsible IMO... possibly another unpopular opinion.30 -
modusoperandi1412 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
A whole food based, LCHF diet should be the default diet used most of the time by the majority of people to help achieve improved health.
By that I mean that avoiding refined and highly processed carbs (flours, sugars, etc) and fats ( vegetable oils from seeds or beans) and eating a diet based on meat, seafood, eggs, possibly dairy, and lower GL vegetables, nuts, seeds, and fruits, the majority of the time, would lead to better health and outcomes, especially for IR, CVD, cognitive issues, and some AI issues or cancers, for most people.
I get that moderation in all things where CI<CO (and eventually CI=CO) may work well for some in terms of weight control, which then may improve health issues, but I think that adding LCHF to the mix could improve things further for many, and may work well to help health when weight loss absent.
Avoiding, or at least minimizing, refined and highly processed foods is, calorie for calorie and macro for macro, a healthier way to eat. IMO
And here we have the thing most people call you out for. Your constant claims, without proper proof whatsoever, that lchf is somehow "better" in some form, than any other diet.
Not to mention that you can lchf with a diet that consists 100% of refined and highly processed foods.
This thread is about unpopular opinions. I wasn't aware that everyone needed to provide proper proof for the basis of their opinion.
I think LCHF whole foods diet would be a better starting point than many other diets for most people for health... you'll note that I did not give any absolutes that LCHF beats ALL diets for EVERYONE. There are other diets out there that work for other people. Never said there was not.
You must have some other diet that works well for you in improving or maintaining good health. That's great. Likewise, it won't work for everyone. You may be of the opinion that it would work for most, or maybe only a few...
Plus, you may want to note that I said a LCHF that is whole foods based is healthy, specifically:Avoiding, or at least minimizing, refined and highly processed foods is, calorie for calorie and macro for macro, a healthier way to eat. IMO
I know that you "can lchf with a diet that consists 100% of refined and highly processed foods." It's not ideal. I advised against it....29 -
Mustard kicks ketchup's butt to the curb.
Sorry, not sorry.39 -
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Mayonnaise looks like the secreta of deep sea inhabitants. It doesn't taste much better than said secreta likely would.8
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Here's my unpopular opinion-- ethnic differences matter with diets and what's normal for one group to eat isn't always good for another group to eat...and saying that shouldn't be racist.30
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lacyphacelia wrote: »Here's my unpopular opinion-- ethnic differences matter with diets and what's normal for one group to eat isn't always good for another group to eat...and saying that shouldn't be racist.
There may be some merit to this...I do not know for sure in regards to diet.
I do know that at the highest level, athletes of African descent tend to be over-represented in the running sports - and within those athletes of African descent, it was found that those of Kenyan descent are the most dominant of the African descended countries, and that several of the top runners of that subgroup had lineage traceable to the Kalenjin tribal group originating in Kenya.
I believe there is also an adjusted BMI for those of Asian descent due to a smaller frame on average, and that Samoans, Polynesians etc tend to be much larger on average than other countries.
These things could support your hypothesis, however I don't know enough beyond the above to help back it up.
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Copper_Boom wrote: »
I'm weird, because I think mayo is disgusting, but adore aioli as the correct fry condiment. Garlic really does make everything better.8 -
youcantflexcardio wrote: »
Essentially no one (outside of an area with a famine) needs to actually think about it in order to get plenty of fat for hormone production.
I would argue that type of fat matters (and in particular omega 3 to omega 6 ratio not being totally out of whack), but then we are back to it not being macros that determine whether a diet is healthy, but more specific food choices. Humans thrive on huge varieties of different macros in different societies, and an obsession with the right macros probably obscures what really matters for health. IMO.8 -
Here is mine... men typically underestimate their own bodyfat percentage by at least 5%... Sometimes much more.
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Copper_Boom wrote: »
Isn't that a Belgian thing? I remember getting mayo with fries at a Belgian restaurant in San Francisco.
This was a work outing - for some reason that particular company's celebratory foods were fries and champagne (no we didn't dip fries in champagne).0 -
youcantflexcardio wrote: »
Essentially no one (outside of an area with a famine) needs to actually think about it in order to get plenty of fat for hormone production.
I would argue that type of fat matters (and in particular omega 3 to omega 6 ratio not being totally out of whack), but then we are back to it not being macros that determine whether a diet is healthy, but more specific food choices. Humans thrive on huge varieties of different macros in different societies, and an obsession with the right macros probably obscures what really matters for health. IMO.
Just because they are essential, no one cares to quantify just how much is essential (so it must be important, right? Important/essential does NOT translate to more is better). Like you said, essential fatty acid deficiency only really occurs in starvation and sometimes in neonates/failure to thrive cases; other than those, essential fatty acid deficiency is unheard of.6 -
Copper_Boom wrote: »
Isn't that a Belgian thing? I remember getting mayo with fries at a Belgian restaurant in San Francisco.
This was a work outing - for some reason that particular company's celebratory foods were fries and champagne (no we didn't dip fries in champagne).
I think -- I got into it because of going to this place, which is basically a Belgian bar. https://hopleafbar.com/0 -
youcantflexcardio wrote: »lacyphacelia wrote: »Here's my unpopular opinion-- ethnic differences matter with diets and what's normal for one group to eat isn't always good for another group to eat...and saying that shouldn't be racist.
There may be some merit to this...I do not know for sure in regards to diet.
I was talking in terms of the typical idea that anyone can "eat anything they want" and as long as they'e CICO, they're good. There is more to nutrition and health than maintaining one's weight. For example, I'm of Asian ancestry and I can't handle a lot of dairy in my diet. Health professionals have told me when a lot of people in my ethnicity emigrate here and adopt the SAD, their cholesterol levels go up.6
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