VICTORIA'S SECRET MODELS~What do you estimate is their REAL body fat percentage???
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With the Victoria's secret fashion show recently screened this weekend, it got me curious. What do you think the body fat percentages of the models really are? Most of them to me a look between 17 and 19% body fat. With those models being such big names in the modeling industry, it's pretty easy to find their height and vital measurements on their agency is pages. However when you plug them in to the Navy calculator for body fat percentage it seems to come up with a really low number for each girl. (For example, Elsa Hosk who wore the fantasy bra this year, according to the navy's calculations has a body fat percentage of 14, yet from looking at her I would have guessed higher.) And once you know their body fat percentage. It's pretty easy to calculate their weight. I know there was a big movement in the industry a couple of years ago where they said that they will not let size 0 or size double 0 models walk the runway, and they also will not Let girls who are below and 18 on the BMI scale walk either, however it seems like all of these models according to standard American size charts are a 0 or smaller and most likely severely underweight. Do you think agencies are lying about the measurements to make these girls look better and got jobs more, or do you think that their body fat percentage Are really that low?
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I think everyone in that industry lies about everything.
They care about the health and wellbeing of the women they show, even a little bit.
They care about women in general, except as an exploitable consumer base.
They don't put pressure on the women to lose weight, including job loss as a consequence.
All the women on the runway are "healthy" and are never forced to starve and over-exercise to fit the standard.
They don't promote white, thin, euro-centric beauty standards on purpose, these models just happen to be the best models.
The women water-fast for two days before a show and exercise for 2 hours daily because they enjoy it.
Being incredibly thin and in your underwear is empowerment and feminist and not just sex-show capitalism.
There have been a good few ex-VS-models coming out of the woodwork recently to speak about how toxic the industry is, particularly this show. IMO it's a steaming, rank pile of garbage. Give your money to a company that doesn't hate women.
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Bodyfat percentage is how much fat vs everything else, so even someone who is lower in weight but lacking muscle, they may not look as defined but still have very low percentage of fat in their bodies. So sometimes they look higher than they are. I would guess they are low, anywhere from 10-15%.
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I would guess lower than 17-18% too. I had 18% when I was younger and fitter and was not that small.
10-15% would be my guess... And slim framed too.3 -
Bodyfat percentage is how much fat vs everything else, so even someone who is lower in weight but lacking muscle, they may not look as defined but still have very low percentage of fat in their bodies. So sometimes they look higher than they are. I would guess they are low, anywhere from 10-15%.
I was going to say the same. They don't have high levels of muscle so therefore it "looks" like they are a higher % than they likely are. Plus boobs. I would go with the 10-15% range too.4 -
mom23mangos wrote: »Bodyfat percentage is how much fat vs everything else, so even someone who is lower in weight but lacking muscle, they may not look as defined but still have very low percentage of fat in their bodies. So sometimes they look higher than they are. I would guess they are low, anywhere from 10-15%.
I was going to say the same. They don't have high levels of muscle so therefore it "looks" like they are a higher % than they likely are. Plus boobs. I would go with the 10-15% range too.
Oh come on, those are silicone, that won't add to the %.9 -
they typically have a higher percentage than high fashion. if they grow larger breasts, they are also relegated to VS and sports illustrated bikini
but none of it matters because with VS it's all about the fantasy.4 -
VS show this weekend was the lowest watched ever. Their stock price is tanking. The world is not interested any longer and this is a good thing.23
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neugebauer52 wrote: »This topic is absolutely world - changing news. Must stay on top of importance for at least 15 seconds. Wonder what trump is spouting about that? Actually - never mind.
On a forum designed for weightloss and populated by a lot of women, I think discussing unrealistic, largely unattainable and in some cases dangerous levels of bodyfat is relevant actually.30 -
To answer your original question: Who knows. i recommend watching these for some eye opening results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oWcpweTuXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUBnGpe7Gd43 -
they typically have a higher percentage than high fashion. if they grow larger breasts, they are also relegated to VS and sports illustrated bikini
but none of it matters because with VS it's all about the fantasy.
This. VS models are either usually a little bigger than most runway girls or (for those that do both) they gain a few pounds specifically to do VS because it's a different aesthetic. They're still thin, possibly too thin for ideal health, don't get me wrong, but they're not generally in that sub-16 BMI range like many of the big runway models are right now with those 31-23-33 at 5'10" sort of measurements where their bodyfat is very, very low and very likely below 15%.
I'd peg most of the VS ones closer to BMI 18 with high-teens bodyfat (that said, it's also obvious that a lot of them really aren't especially busty, but between the push-ups, chicken cutlets, and makeup there is an illusion of larger chests.)
Victoria's Secret is so tired though, I can't believe they're still pedaling the same brand of "sexy" they were in the 90s and early 2000s. There's a reason no one cares anymore.8 -
I think everyone in that industry lies about everything.
They care about the health and wellbeing of the women they show, even a little bit.
They care about women in general, except as an exploitable consumer base.
They don't put pressure on the women to lose weight, including job loss as a consequence.
All the women on the runway are "healthy" and are never forced to starve and over-exercise to fit the standard.
They don't promote white, thin, euro-centric beauty standards on purpose, these models just happen to be the best models.
The women water-fast for two days before a show and exercise for 2 hours daily because they enjoy it.
Being incredibly thin and in your underwear is empowerment and feminist and not just sex-show capitalism.
There have been a good few ex-VS-models coming out of the woodwork recently to speak about how toxic the industry is, particularly this show. IMO it's a steaming, rank pile of garbage. Give your money to a company that doesn't hate women.
i agree. I don't watch it nor do I shop in that store anymore not in many many years.4 -
i shopped their a couple of times but they don't last any longer than my target bras, so i refuse to spend the money6
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Firmly in the 'why does it matter?' category here. They are obviously a bit larger than your typical runway model, who is desired as a rack to showcase clothes more than a sex symbol, but far from 'average.'
First I couldn't afford them.
Then I was pregnant.
Then fat.
Then old enough to be more interested in comfort and quality. I'll pay $60 plus for a bra once I'm settled in a size (still losing the last little bit) but I'm paying for quality, not a name and fancy runway shows.8 -
they typically have a higher percentage than high fashion. if they grow larger breasts, they are also relegated to VS and sports illustrated bikini
but none of it matters because with VS it's all about the fantasy.
This. VS models are either usually a little bigger than most runway girls or (for those that do both) they gain a few pounds specifically to do VS because it's a different aesthetic. They're still thin, possibly too thin for ideal health, don't get me wrong, but they're not generally in that sub-16 BMI range like many of the big runway models are right now with those 31-23-33 at 5'10" sort of measurements where their bodyfat is very, very low and very likely below 15%.
I'd peg most of the VS ones closer to BMI 18 with high-teens bodyfat (that said, it's also obvious that a lot of them really aren't especially busty, but between the push-ups, chicken cutlets, and makeup there is an illusion of larger chests.)
Victoria's Secret is so tired though, I can't believe they're still pedaling the same brand of "sexy" they were in the 90s and early 2000s. There's a reason no one cares anymore.
I’ve never watched them. I can’t say I don’t shop there though. They are one of the very few stores around where I live that actually carry my bra size.
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neugebauer52 wrote: »This topic is absolutely world - changing news. Must stay on top of importance for at least 15 seconds. Wonder what trump is spouting about that? Actually - never mind.
On a forum designed for weightloss and populated by a lot of women, I think discussing unrealistic, largely unattainable and in some cases dangerous levels of bodyfat is relevant actually.
Thanks for giving me a segue to post https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10689837/does-this-uterus-make-my-stomach-look-fat/p116 -
neugebauer52 wrote: »This topic is absolutely world - changing news. Must stay on top of importance for at least 15 seconds. Wonder what trump is spouting about that? Actually - never mind.
This doesn't even make sense.10 -
kshama2001 wrote: »neugebauer52 wrote: »This topic is absolutely world - changing news. Must stay on top of importance for at least 15 seconds. Wonder what trump is spouting about that? Actually - never mind.
On a forum designed for weightloss and populated by a lot of women, I think discussing unrealistic, largely unattainable and in some cases dangerous levels of bodyfat is relevant actually.
Thanks for giving me a segue to post https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10689837/does-this-uterus-make-my-stomach-look-fat/p1
Yes.
And perhaps we need such a thread for every one of the many terms for women's body characteristics that seemingly exist only so women can specifically name and shame the things they dislike about their own bodies.
Sigh.
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MelanieCN77 wrote: »neugebauer52 wrote: »This topic is absolutely world - changing news. Must stay on top of importance for at least 15 seconds. Wonder what trump is spouting about that? Actually - never mind.
This doesn't even make sense.
SARCASM7 -
Hmm - I can’t speak to the VS models body fat range and i haven’t watched the show on TV but a few of models go to my gym here in lower Manhattan- in person they look - thin but not crazy thin. Kinda “normal” actually. IMHO
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dolliesdaughter wrote: »MelanieCN77 wrote: »neugebauer52 wrote: »This topic is absolutely world - changing news. Must stay on top of importance for at least 15 seconds. Wonder what trump is spouting about that? Actually - never mind.
This doesn't even make sense.
SARCASM
And yet still not grammatically coherent. I understood the intent just fine, but if you're gonna throw shade, at least be cogent.6 -
I got woo’ed for saying the VS models i see in person don’t look undernourished? Ok woo paparazzi!
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Any industry or organization that makes a strong show of "purifying" or "cleaning" up their image is a sure sign of covering up fraudulent activity.
Freakonomics Chapter 1 covers this is excellent detail.
With models and bodybuilders the goal is attaining the ideal aesthetic ratio - 1.618. Manipulating bodyfat is simply a means of achieving this.5 -
The models on the runway have prepped for that day, their body's are not sustained in that condition full time. YouTube has a handful of VS show prep vlogs and the like so you can see how they alter their routines and intake to prepare for a show, just like bikini/physique competitions or whatever.
One time I got sick from eating a couple (and then some) too many pieces of some frosted fruit bread and after throwing up all my water I sure looked nice and defined in the morning. It's not remotely sustainable though.8 -
Too small for my taste. Give me a + sized model any day! My guess 15-22% on most of then.12
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give me ashley graham anyday...12
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Why ya hating on the man who likes + sized models? Lol...🤭4
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psychod787 wrote: »Why ya hating on the man who likes + sized models? Lol...🤭
I think it's the implication that we should be judged by our desirability to a particular man or men :flowerforyou: How about just being healthy?
(Sorry if this comes across as snarky. It's not meant to. I'm just sick and stuck at work and whiny about it.)21 -
psychod787 wrote: »Why ya hating on the man who likes + sized models? Lol...🤭
I don't know, maybe it's kinda tiring to see yet another conversation being rerouted to center on what men prefer our bodies to look like . . .
I didn't "woo" you, but does it really matter if a bunch of women are "too small for your taste"? There's a way to admire who you admire without having to trashtalk the way others look.22 -
janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Why ya hating on the man who likes + sized models? Lol...🤭
I don't know, maybe it's kinda tiring to see yet another conversation being rerouted to center on what men prefer our bodies to look like . . .
I didn't "woo" you, but does it really matter if a bunch of women are "too small for your taste"? There's a way to admire who you admire without having to trashtalk the way others look.
I'm not sweating it! Lol... I just like having a little fun. We all have our own things we are attracted to. I am actually highly attracted to strong educated women. If they are healthy looking.. that's just a plus.psychod787 wrote: »Why ya hating on the man who likes + sized models? Lol...🤭
I think it's the implication that we should be judged by our desirability to a particular man or men :flowerforyou: How about just being healthy?
(Sorry if this comes across as snarky. It's not meant to. I'm just sick and stuck at work and whiny about it.)
Lol... pinup, i would never take you as snarky.2 -
psychod787 wrote: »Why ya hating on the man who likes + sized models? Lol...🤭
I didn't woo you either, but I have to admit I cringed a bit. It comes across as stating there is something wrong/unacceptable with thinner ladies. But I didn't say anything because you worded it as a personal preference, which everyone is entitled to. I take issue when people make statements that try to universalize women's attractiveness. I got in a FB fight with a guy the other day who responded to a video of a woman working out by saying "No thanks, I like my women to look women." That's like the stupidest thing ever. You are well within your rights to prefer curvier/thicker women. People discussing the BF% of models doesn't necessarily need to be the place to state that preference however.
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