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dillianavramov wrote: »Three years ago I did lose 60 pounds doing a standard diet of chicken breasts and veggies, oats, yogurt and blueberries, protein shakes (high protein, moderate to high carbs, low fat) and split my 1500 calories into 3 meals and two snacks (gym culture claimed you need protein every two to 3 hours or your muscles would melt). Did light cardio daily and some resistance training.
While doing it I had afternoon crashes at work, felt tired, I hated coworkers and family alike because they got to eat while I felt always hungry (I was literally eye *kitten* their lunches while I poked at my 300 calorie speck of food and chowed on romaine lettuce.
I think your problem is that you are assuming one needs some super specific diet to lose. I would not call what you just described a "standard diet," I'd call it some kind of gym woo, and I'd be bored.
I lost 90 lbs eating the kinds of food I enjoy, a healthy diet, prioritizing veg and protein, and in the pattern and with the foods that I know make me feel satisfied.
That meant eggs and veg at breakfast, and then different foods at lunch and dinner, and -- for me -- no snacks, since snacking would mean my meals would be smaller and I don't really enjoy snacking. No protein shakes, huge variety of different meats and other foods (especially veg).
I was never hungry, and certainly had no crashes.I did try Vince Gironda's Steak and Eggs diet, but could not stick to it, because it became boring fast. And I also did not have the activity and gym routine to make use of all that protein.
Again, focusing on specific diets.Am I saying everyone should eat like me? No. This works for ME. OP asked if she should try keto. My answer, based on my personal experience and collected data, is yes. If you do well on carbs, don't crash and diabetes is not a ghost in the closet, more power to ya.
Great it works for you, although what you recommended to OP was more than standard keto and also low protein and your reasoning for it was full of inaccurate claims.
You may be someone who benefits from keto. I think some find it easier to maintain a deficit or even maintenance calories on keto. It does not sound to me like you have tried a realistic alternative, but doesn't matter if you are happy. But you shouldn't then tell everyone else -- like OP! -- to do keto just because you like it more than some gym bro diet.
As I said either upthread or in the other quite similar thread, I think keto mostly works because people change their diet a lot, can't eat the foods they used to overeat and feel like they have a positive (special) way of eating that helps with motivation (it's almost like being into a conspiracy theory where one feels like one knows things the average person does not), because for some (not all) very low carb kills appetite, because boredom is prevented by the excitement of a new way of eating and new things to try (therefore, fat bombs, various "hacks" like coconut oil coffee, ugh), and -- most of all -- because they assume that standard dieting involves cutting out everything and eating a boring diet and low cals, and keto lets you feel decadent and diet while eating cheese and bacon (and if you want eschewing veg, since sadly many people barely eat veg however they eat).15 -
Somatotypes are dubunked as the attempt to associate appearance with character, but they are usable for describing the body's shape. I use it in that context only. It is funny how people take on one word of a paragraph and run with it14
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dillianavramov wrote: »Three years ago I did lose 60 pounds doing a standard diet of chicken breasts and veggies, oats, yogurt and blueberries, protein shakes (high protein, moderate to high carbs, low fat) and split my 1500 calories into 3 meals and two snacks (gym culture claimed you need protein every two to 3 hours or your muscles would melt). Did light cardio daily and some resistance training.
While doing it I had afternoon crashes at work, felt tired, I hated coworkers and family alike because they got to eat while I felt always hungry (I was literally eye *kitten* their lunches while I poked at my 300 calorie speck of food and chowed on romaine lettuce.
I think your problem is that you are assuming one needs some super specific diet to lose. I would not call what you just described a "standard diet," I'd call it some kind of gym woo, and I'd be bored.
I lost 90 lbs eating the kinds of food I enjoy, a healthy diet, prioritizing veg and protein, and in the pattern and with the foods that I know make me feel satisfied.
That meant eggs and veg at breakfast, and then different foods at lunch and dinner, and -- for me -- no snacks, since snacking would mean my meals would be smaller and I don't really enjoy snacking. No protein shakes, huge variety of different meats and other foods (especially veg).
I was never hungry, and certainly had no crashes.I did try Vince Gironda's Steak and Eggs diet, but could not stick to it, because it became boring fast. And I also did not have the activity and gym routine to make use of all that protein.
Again, focusing on specific diets.Am I saying everyone should eat like me? No. This works for ME. OP asked if she should try keto. My answer, based on my personal experience and collected data, is yes. If you do well on carbs, don't crash and diabetes is not a ghost in the closet, more power to ya.
Great it works for you, although what you recommended to OP was more than standard keto and also low protein and your reasoning for it was full of inaccurate claims.
You may be someone who benefits from keto. I think some find it easier to maintain a deficit or even maintenance calories on keto. It does not sound to me like you have tried a realistic alternative, but doesn't matter if you are happy. But you shouldn't then tell everyone else -- like OP! -- to do keto just because you like it more than some gym bro diet.
As I said either upthread or in the other quite similar thread, I think keto mostly works because people change their diet a lot, can't eat the foods they used to overeat and feel like they have a positive (special) way of eating that helps with motivation (it's almost like being into a conspiracy theory where one feels like one knows things the average person does not), because for some (not all) very low carb kills appetite, because boredom is prevented by the excitement of a new way of eating and new things to try (therefore, fat bombs, various "hacks" like coconut oil coffee, ugh), and -- most of all -- because they assume that standard dieting involves cutting out everything and eating a boring diet and low cals, and keto lets you feel decadent and diet while eating cheese and bacon (and if you want eschewing veg, since sadly many people barely eat veg however they eat).
OK, now you are making inaccurate claims - there are veggies on keto. There are less fruits for sure and no legumes and tubers, but keto is all for leafy green veggies. Plant based keto is totally possible, so I don't know where you get those "facts".
What is standard keto? And according to whom?
This thread, although a question about keto, seems more like one against it. We all have brains and can do our own research.
Here is what nutritional ketosis is according to someone who was quoted earlier in the thread:
What is nutritional ketosis?
By Dr. Stephen Phinney
Nutritional ketosis is a natural metabolic state in which your body is fueled mainly by fats and ketones, instead of carbohydrates (glucose). Nutritional ketosis happens when carbohydrate consumption goes low enough that a person’s liver can convert adipose tissue and dietary fats into a fatty acid known as ketones, then burn the ketones for energy.
Carbohydrates are an energy source, but they’re not the only one your body can use. When there’s very little carbohydrate in your diet, your body has a natural and readily available option – nutritional ketosis. And what it will use is fat—the fat in the foods you eat as well as your own stored body fat.
So there is nothing unnatural about keto, the same way as there is nothing unnatural about high carbs. Everyone is free to pick what they feel good on and can stick to long term.
As for the "specific diets", they have one common goal - fat loss first, weight loss second.10 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Two to three months is only enough time to get to the good stuff. A fabulously successful and buff weight loser here does keto 9 months a year and eats all the wonderful things from October 1 to January 1.
You'll have to count carbs, net carbs especially. You may find yourself being satisfied with barely 1000 calories in a day. You'll have to eat a lot more salt. You may spend more of your nights sleeping. I know not every busy dude has time for that. You could find your libido more active.
Above and beyond what any kind of normal weight loss would cause?
At first guess, I would think keto diets would be associated with infertility simply for the fact that male gametes are one of the few human cells that can directly use fructose for fuel, which is going to be in low supply on a keto diet.13 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Two to three months is only enough time to get to the good stuff. A fabulously successful and buff weight loser here does keto 9 months a year and eats all the wonderful things from October 1 to January 1.
You'll have to count carbs, net carbs especially. You may find yourself being satisfied with barely 1000 calories in a day. You'll have to eat a lot more salt. You may spend more of your nights sleeping. I know not every busy dude has time for that. You could find your libido more active.
Above and beyond what any kind of normal weight loss would cause?
At first guess, I would think keto diets would be associated with infertility simply for the fact that male gametes are one of the few human cells that can directly use fructose for fuel, which is going to be in low supply on a keto diet.
Those who have issues with low sex hormones sometimes find the added fat on the diet helps with hormone regulation. Others may find steadier blood glucose levels help, and yet others experience improved cardiovascular health helps.
These are possible benefits that some may experience, and they are not exclusive to keto.... gotta get those disclaimers in.
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dillianavramov wrote: »dillianavramov wrote: »Three years ago I did lose 60 pounds doing a standard diet of chicken breasts and veggies, oats, yogurt and blueberries, protein shakes (high protein, moderate to high carbs, low fat) and split my 1500 calories into 3 meals and two snacks (gym culture claimed you need protein every two to 3 hours or your muscles would melt). Did light cardio daily and some resistance training.
While doing it I had afternoon crashes at work, felt tired, I hated coworkers and family alike because they got to eat while I felt always hungry (I was literally eye *kitten* their lunches while I poked at my 300 calorie speck of food and chowed on romaine lettuce.
I think your problem is that you are assuming one needs some super specific diet to lose. I would not call what you just described a "standard diet," I'd call it some kind of gym woo, and I'd be bored.
I lost 90 lbs eating the kinds of food I enjoy, a healthy diet, prioritizing veg and protein, and in the pattern and with the foods that I know make me feel satisfied.
That meant eggs and veg at breakfast, and then different foods at lunch and dinner, and -- for me -- no snacks, since snacking would mean my meals would be smaller and I don't really enjoy snacking. No protein shakes, huge variety of different meats and other foods (especially veg).
I was never hungry, and certainly had no crashes.I did try Vince Gironda's Steak and Eggs diet, but could not stick to it, because it became boring fast. And I also did not have the activity and gym routine to make use of all that protein.
Again, focusing on specific diets.Am I saying everyone should eat like me? No. This works for ME. OP asked if she should try keto. My answer, based on my personal experience and collected data, is yes. If you do well on carbs, don't crash and diabetes is not a ghost in the closet, more power to ya.
Great it works for you, although what you recommended to OP was more than standard keto and also low protein and your reasoning for it was full of inaccurate claims.
You may be someone who benefits from keto. I think some find it easier to maintain a deficit or even maintenance calories on keto. It does not sound to me like you have tried a realistic alternative, but doesn't matter if you are happy. But you shouldn't then tell everyone else -- like OP! -- to do keto just because you like it more than some gym bro diet.
As I said either upthread or in the other quite similar thread, I think keto mostly works because people change their diet a lot, can't eat the foods they used to overeat and feel like they have a positive (special) way of eating that helps with motivation (it's almost like being into a conspiracy theory where one feels like one knows things the average person does not), because for some (not all) very low carb kills appetite, because boredom is prevented by the excitement of a new way of eating and new things to try (therefore, fat bombs, various "hacks" like coconut oil coffee, ugh), and -- most of all -- because they assume that standard dieting involves cutting out everything and eating a boring diet and low cals, and keto lets you feel decadent and diet while eating cheese and bacon (and if you want eschewing veg, since sadly many people barely eat veg however they eat).OK, now you are making inaccurate claims - there are veggies on keto. There are less fruits for sure and no legumes and tubers, but keto is all for leafy green veggies. Plant based keto is totally possible, so I don't know where you get those "facts".
I never claimed you could not eat vegetables on keto, so YOU are the one misstating what someone said (and therefore making an inaccurate claim).
What I said is that keto may be appealing to some (I know some in this camp) because you don't have to eat vegetables, and because it tends to be lower veg than what they consider "eating healthy" in the traditional way (and don't have a desire to do). Similarly, it emphasizes some foods that many people (wrongly) think they need to cut out on a normal lowered cal diet. The old Atkins diet actually required veg, I believe, and I think that was a very good thing, but keto is more open-ended.
I also said, elsewhere, that when I tried keto I ate around 35 g net carbs and the only carbs I ate other than non starchy veg was about a serving of nuts per day and occasionally a serving of dairy, and half an avocado (as it's technically a fruit), and I was always having to limit my veg vs. what I normally eat. That doesn't mean you can't eat sufficient veg on keto, I think you can, but I think you have to work at it and if you are eating other sources of carbs it becomes difficult. (And recall you also recommended fat bombs which typically come with carbs.)What is standard keto? And according to whom?
Keto is just eating so you are in ketosis. That's really all it requires. And I note the quote from Phinney agrees with me on that. (I've read the Phinney/Volek book, btw.)This thread, although a question about keto, seems more like one against it. We all have brains and can do our own research.
I'm not against keto at all. I'm against telling people they need to do keto or that there's some general advantage to keto, or basically making inaccurate claims about why very low carb diets work for some people.As for the "specific diets", they have one common goal - fat loss first, weight loss second.
You don't need a specific diet for that, and if you do keto with low protein, as you recommended (more than 80% fat, on reduced calories), rather than focusing on getting enough protein, then you are very much risking losing more muscle than necessary.13 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Two to three months is only enough time to get to the good stuff. A fabulously successful and buff weight loser here does keto 9 months a year and eats all the wonderful things from October 1 to January 1.
You'll have to count carbs, net carbs especially. You may find yourself being satisfied with barely 1000 calories in a day. You'll have to eat a lot more salt. You may spend more of your nights sleeping. I know not every busy dude has time for that. You could find your libido more active.
Above and beyond what any kind of normal weight loss would cause?
At first guess, I would think keto diets would be associated with infertility simply for the fact that male gametes are one of the few human cells that can directly use fructose for fuel, which is going to be in low supply on a keto diet.
Oh, dear, that could be abused -- I don't need to use protection, I'm on keto!7 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Two to three months is only enough time to get to the good stuff. A fabulously successful and buff weight loser here does keto 9 months a year and eats all the wonderful things from October 1 to January 1.
You'll have to count carbs, net carbs especially. You may find yourself being satisfied with barely 1000 calories in a day. You'll have to eat a lot more salt. You may spend more of your nights sleeping. I know not every busy dude has time for that. You could find your libido more active.
Above and beyond what any kind of normal weight loss would cause?
At first guess, I would think keto diets would be associated with infertility simply for the fact that male gametes are one of the few human cells that can directly use fructose for fuel, which is going to be in low supply on a keto diet.
Oh, dear, that could be abused -- I don't need to use protection, I'm on keto!
Perhaps like endurance runners, swimmers can become fat adapted too? It is a pretty long marathon, when considering the scale.
Though "I'm in ketosis" might be birth control for some people regardless.14 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Two to three months is only enough time to get to the good stuff. A fabulously successful and buff weight loser here does keto 9 months a year and eats all the wonderful things from October 1 to January 1.
You'll have to count carbs, net carbs especially. You may find yourself being satisfied with barely 1000 calories in a day. You'll have to eat a lot more salt. You may spend more of your nights sleeping. I know not every busy dude has time for that. You could find your libido more active.
Above and beyond what any kind of normal weight loss would cause?
At first guess, I would think keto diets would be associated with infertility simply for the fact that male gametes are one of the few human cells that can directly use fructose for fuel, which is going to be in low supply on a keto diet.
Oh, dear, that could be abused -- I don't need to use protection, I'm on keto!
Perhaps like endurance runners, swimmers can become fat adapted too? It is a pretty long marathon, when considering the scale.
Though "I'm in ketosis" might be birth control for some people regardless.
Speaking as a person who's pretty strongly sapiosexual, and based on the moving average of what I see in threads around here . . . if someone said it, it might well reinforce my leaning toward abstinence.
P.S. This is a joke. Not all of you on keto, for heaven's sake.5 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTcv7XoZ2xw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGZZESrXSgw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6dLX0Q5xzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATAhqZ7yulo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFSad9BqWRM
These are vids I use to figure out my own protein range. If I were on a 1200 calories diet, I would put my needed protein, 20-25g net carbs and fill the rest of my calories with fats.10 -
Video is not a strong way to argue, 'cause likely no one will watch it.
Guessing at what it might say, I posted links explaining why you need more protein on low carb, not less (although it might have been in another keto thread where we were discussing this, I'm confused between the various keto threads).
15% protein can be enough for muscle maintenance depending on total calories eaten and size, but I suspect it's mostly not for the average person just starting keto.10 -
dillianavramov wrote: »Somatotypes are dubunked as the attempt to associate appearance with character, but they are usable for describing the body's shape. I use it in that context only. It is funny how people take on one word of a paragraph and run with it
they arent usable to describe body shape because many people fall into more than one category. I fall into all 3(which means squat) because I believed the hype back then too,. it has noting to do with anything someone just took the idea and applied it to diets and so on to make a buck or two. had I believed that my body type meant I had to eat a certain way I would still probably be obese3 -
Video is not a strong way to argue, 'cause likely no one will watch it.
Guessing at what it might say, I posted links explaining why you need more protein on low carb, not less (although it might have been in another keto thread where we were discussing this, I'm confused between the various keto threads).
15% protein can be enough for muscle maintenance depending on total calories eaten and size, but I suspect it's mostly not for the average person just starting keto.
And just to add, in addition to 45 minutes of video, the videos are from Dr. Berg (chiropractor), Dr. Axe (chiro and "natural medicine"), a self-professed celebrity trainer, and an athlete.
And I'm not really sure how any of this affects the OP, since she is looking to do keto for 2 months at unnecessarily low calories in order to lose weight fast. Low protein or not would be the least of her worries IMHO.12 -
dillianavramov wrote: »https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6dLX0Q5xzY
These are vids I use to figure out my own protein range. If I were on a 1200 calories diet, I would put my needed protein, 20-25g net carbs and fill the rest of my calories with fats.
Interesting. I've never considered the protein needs of a sketched character.12 -
dillianavramov wrote: »https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTcv7XoZ2xwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGZZESrXSgwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6dLX0Q5xzYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATAhqZ7yulohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFSad9BqWRM
These are vids I use to figure out my own protein range. If I were on a 1200 calories diet, I would put my needed protein, 20-25g net carbs and fill the rest of my calories with fats.
The middle one is largely the best one to follow which aligns and even exceeds thr meta analysis I posted. Now why is that? It actually takes the advice from leading protein researchers as opposed to cherry picking a few studies, remembering that meta analyses > individual studies. His focus is largely on Dr. Eric Helms' recommended ranges of .8-1.3g/lb. Now obviously the more obese and the less active you are, it would be recommended to aim for the lower end. But unless you are on a very high calorie diet, its unlikely you will be able to hit protein goals off 15% protein intake, even more so on 1200 calories, which equates to 45g.5 -
As I said either upthread or in the other quite similar thread, I think keto mostly works because people change their diet a lot, can't eat the foods they used to overeat and feel like they have a positive (special) way of eating that helps with motivation (it's almost like being into a conspiracy theory where one feels like one knows things the average person does not), because for some (not all) very low carb kills appetite, because boredom is prevented by the excitement of a new way of eating and new things to try (therefore, fat bombs, various "hacks" like coconut oil coffee, ugh), and -- most of all -- because they assume that standard dieting involves cutting out everything and eating a boring diet and low cals, and keto lets you feel decadent and diet while eating cheese and bacon (and if you want eschewing veg, since sadly many people barely eat veg however they eat).
Are you aware of how condescending this story you're telling yourself is? Or are you okay with it?
A great many people who do keto find an increase in focus, mental clarity, mood stabilization, energy stabilization, and clearer skin. Many keto people I speak to say they find their PCOS symptoms all but vanish on this diet.
There are tons of people who do this WOE who aren't concerned about their weight at all.
A lot of people simply feel much better on this diet.
And that might contribute to weight loss, don't you think?
Maybe you could add that to your list somewhere between you thinking we just want to feel special and you thinking we don't understand how standard dieting works.17 -
Video is not a strong way to argue, 'cause likely no one will watch it.
Guessing at what it might say, I posted links explaining why you need more protein on low carb, not less (although it might have been in another keto thread where we were discussing this, I'm confused between the various keto threads).
15% protein can be enough for muscle maintenance depending on total calories eaten and size, but I suspect it's mostly not for the average person just starting keto.
And just to add, in addition to 45 minutes of video, the videos are from Dr. Berg (chiropractor), Dr. Axe (chiro and "natural medicine"), a self-professed celebrity trainer, and an athlete.
And I'm not really sure how any of this affects the OP, since she is looking to do keto for 2 months at unnecessarily low calories in order to lose weight fast. Low protein or not would be the least of her worries IMHO.
Also, there was only one video when I posted.
Remember, my comments were a response to this advice to the OP:dillianavramov wrote: »Started keto myself.
Do's:
1. Eat plenty of healthy fats (like 80%) - MCT Oil, Coconut Oil, Ghee or Butter, Avocados, nitrate-free bacon, eggs, Macadamia nuts, Beef Bone broth, Kalamata Olives, Sardines, Herrings, Salmon (in moderation due to high mercury unless wild-caught). Look for foods whose fat contents surpasses the combined protein and net carbs.
2. Use plenty of Himalayan pink salt;
3. Use a complete multivitamin;
4. Eat one Brazil nut a day (source of Selenium);
5. Start your day with a glass of water with 1tbsp apple cider vinegar and 1 tbps lemon juice.
6. Drink coffee (black or bulletproof, with Stevia if you have to), imperial or ceremonial grade matcha tea or green tea (can drink decaf in the afternoon).
7. Count calories and macros - it helps you avoid overeating, since fatty foods are very calorie dense. And it also allows you to adjust if you go over on protein.
8. Keep protein moderate - about 15% of your calories. You want your body to burn fat, not convert protein to glucose.
9. Drink plenty of water - a gallon would be great.
10. Once you get fat adapted (about 3 weeks if you never did keto before) you can mix in Intermittent fasting (16:8).
11. Keep your carbs to 5% or 20 grams net carbs. Focus on leafy greens like chards, kale, spinach, asparagus, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli. Fruits are not your friend, especially while you are getting fat adapted (making the transition from carbs to fats).
12. You can use 100% unsweetened baking chocolate or Cacao powder if making fat bombs to deal with cravings. It has some carbs, so make room for it.
It is reasonably likely OP is on around 1200 -- she in fact said she was. 15% is unlikely to be a good idea, certainly not a good idea for a one-size fits all list of rules telling her what she should do.3 -
As I said either upthread or in the other quite similar thread, I think keto mostly works because people change their diet a lot, can't eat the foods they used to overeat and feel like they have a positive (special) way of eating that helps with motivation (it's almost like being into a conspiracy theory where one feels like one knows things the average person does not), because for some (not all) very low carb kills appetite, because boredom is prevented by the excitement of a new way of eating and new things to try (therefore, fat bombs, various "hacks" like coconut oil coffee, ugh), and -- most of all -- because they assume that standard dieting involves cutting out everything and eating a boring diet and low cals, and keto lets you feel decadent and diet while eating cheese and bacon (and if you want eschewing veg, since sadly many people barely eat veg however they eat).
Are you aware of how condescending this story you're telling yourself is? Or are you okay with it?
A great many people who do keto find an increase in focus, mental clarity, mood stabilization, energy stabilization, and clearer skin. Many keto people I speak to say they find their PCOS symptoms all but vanish on this diet.
There are tons of people who do this WOE who aren't concerned about their weight at all.
A lot of people simply feel much better on this diet.
And that might contribute to weight loss, don't you think?
Maybe you could add that to your list somewhere between you thinking we just want to feel special and you thinking we don't understand how standard dieting works.
As I've said over and over again elsewhere, I do think some people feel better on it or struggle less with hunger on it.
You do know that pretty much every diet or way of eating asserts that people on it "find an increase in focus, mental clarity, mood stabilization, energy stabilization, and clearer skin" and also say it fixes health issues.
And it probably does (in all those cases), largely because eating in a thoughtful way after eating in a non-thoughtful way often involves eating better or avoiding some kinds of eating that were bad for you personally, and because the people who stick with it tend to be the ones who enjoy that way of eating.
But I also think there are other reasons it works for people (same with some other very specific ways of eating) and those are some of them. I don't think it's a bad thing to say that for many it's easier to feel like you are doing a positive program with things that you are trying or adding it vs. focusing on what you are not eating -- it's more fun, it distracts you from what you are not doing, as you feel more like you trying something out.
I also think it's REALLY common to think diet food = boring, bland, skinless chicken breast after skinless chicken breast. I see it here all the time. So thinking steak and bacon and butter or whatever (hollandaise sauce according to someone in the keto debate thread), seems more decadent and like you are getting away with something.14 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Two to three months is only enough time to get to the good stuff. A fabulously successful and buff weight loser here does keto 9 months a year and eats all the wonderful things from October 1 to January 1.
You'll have to count carbs, net carbs especially. You may find yourself being satisfied with barely 1000 calories in a day. You'll have to eat a lot more salt. You may spend more of your nights sleeping. I know not every busy dude has time for that. You could find your libido more active.
Above and beyond what any kind of normal weight loss would cause?
At first guess, I would think keto diets would be associated with infertility simply for the fact that male gametes are one of the few human cells that can directly use fructose for fuel, which is going to be in low supply on a keto diet.
Oh, dear, that could be abused -- I don't need to use protection, I'm on keto!
Perhaps like endurance runners, swimmers can become fat adapted too? It is a pretty long marathon, when considering the scale.
Though "I'm in ketosis" might be birth control for some people regardless.
Speaking as a person who's pretty strongly sapiosexual, and based on the moving average of what I see in threads around here . . . if someone said it, it might well reinforce my leaning toward abstinence.
P.S. This is a joke. Not all of you on keto, for heaven's sake.
I find sapiosexuality very wrong - it should be sophosexual. The other typical prefixes, homo and hetero are Greek, and with homo being a different word in Latin, it just gets confusing. The switch to Latin makes it sound like sapiosexuals only are interested in modern humans, but a homosexual would be attracted to neanderthals, cro magnons, and maybe even h. erectus.4 -
Forgive me for going off topic, but sapiosexual? I've never heard this word. Is that having a thing for maple trees?
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