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Disease free...FOREVER??? Is this possible?
GODfidence
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So I was watching this documentary "America the beautiful"
About how obesity is an epidemic and how people obsess with getting
The "perfect" body. So the producer went on a vegan type diet and the owner of
The restaurant/diet thing said that if you never eat animal products(basically vegan)
Then you will NEVER get any kind of disease,ever. No heart disease, high blood pressure,
Liver disease, kidney disease,ect. He said he guarantees that if you eat all raw food and no animal foods
You will live your life without any disease.
Is this an accurate statement? Cancer aside, Alot of diseases do come from the stuff
Found in animals but disease "free" for life sounds like a bold statement.
Insight Please!
About how obesity is an epidemic and how people obsess with getting
The "perfect" body. So the producer went on a vegan type diet and the owner of
The restaurant/diet thing said that if you never eat animal products(basically vegan)
Then you will NEVER get any kind of disease,ever. No heart disease, high blood pressure,
Liver disease, kidney disease,ect. He said he guarantees that if you eat all raw food and no animal foods
You will live your life without any disease.
Is this an accurate statement? Cancer aside, Alot of diseases do come from the stuff
Found in animals but disease "free" for life sounds like a bold statement.
Insight Please!
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Didn't Ashton Kutcher get hospitalised not too long ago for eating raw vegan?0
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I recently switched to a whole foods, plant based diet for this reason. With a 100% cancer rate among the older women in my family, as well as many cases of type 2 diabetes in both my male and female relatives, I know the odds are stacked against me. But, someday I'll be able to look back and say I tried to make a difference. Time will tell if I was successful or not, but I feel great and am enjoying the short term benefits of this way of eating
Op, you might be interested in the documentary Forks over Knives, which is a about doctors who use food/nutrition to fight diseases. The book Eat to Live, by Joel Fuhrman is also good 0 -
Then you will NEVER get any kind of disease,ever. No heart disease, high blood pressure,
Liver disease, kidney disease,ect. He said he guarantees that if you eat all raw food and no animal foods
You will live your life without any disease.
Sorry, this is BS. Many diseases that affect any number of organs/body systems are genetically-modulated and have absolutely nothing to do with what you eat. And there are other causes of disease as well. For instance, I was born with two defective heart valves which were "silent" and went undiagnosed until about 7 months ago when I started showing vague symptoms. Now, in my 40s, I have bilateral heart failure and because of the heart failure my liver's been damaged as well and we're trying to prevent kidney damage. None of this has anything to do with what I do (or don't) eat but are ultimately because of structural defects that I was born with. And I'm vegan. Though not raw, as I see no reason to be.0 -
Not erase disease, but certainly drop your chances of developing some of them for a long time.
A healthy diet, low or absent of animal protein and animal fat, and high in vegetables, does have a great impact on the body. Blood pressure and cholesterol tend to be low (though not always).
High blood pressure and high cholesterol are contributing, if not causal, factors in a vast majority of diseases.
In addition to regular exercise, your diet plays a huge role in your health.0 -
Then you will NEVER get any kind of disease,ever. No heart disease, high blood pressure,
Liver disease, kidney disease,ect. He said he guarantees that if you eat all raw food and no animal foods
You will live your life without any disease.
Sorry, this is BS. Many diseases that affect any number of organs/body systems are genetically-modulated and have absolutely nothing to do with what you eat. And there are other causes of disease as well. For instance, I was born with two defective heart valves which were "silent" and went undiagnosed until about 7 months ago when I started showing vague symptoms. Now, in my 40s, I have bilateral heart failure and because of the heart failure my liver's been damaged as well and we're trying to prevent kidney damage. None of this has anything to do with what I do (or don't) eat but are ultimately because of structural defects that I was born with. And I'm vegan. Though not raw, as I see no reason to be.
I'm sorry you have to deal with that but this isn't referring to something you were born with.
That's obviously not controllable. If someone is disease free RIGHT NOW and adopts a Vegan lifestyle
Would that prevent diseases of all or even most kinds?
I'm not vegan btw, just curious to this guys statement.0 -
No one lives forever, no one. But with advances in modern science and my high level income, it's not crazy to think I can live to be 245, maybe 300.
Sorry... I couldn't help it.0 -
Didn't Ashton Kutcher get hospitalised not too long ago for eating raw vegan?
No, he was hospitalized for eating ALL fruit, ALL the time.0 -
Didn't Ashton Kutcher get hospitalised not too long ago for eating raw vegan?
No, he was hospitalized for eating ALL fruit, ALL the time.
That's what I had read too, he was experimenting with a fruitarian diet, which is very different than a whole foods, plant based diet.0 -
Hmm.. they didn't make a distinction between preventable disease vs. inherited/ idiopathic/ genetic disease?0
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Many diseases that affect any number of organs/body systems are genetically-modulated and have absolutely nothing to do with what you eat.
You are right, a lot of diseases have contributing genetic factors. I've been really fascinated by how much research indicates that diet and exercise tends to outweigh a good many of those genetic factors.
One of the big problems with encouraging health is that pharmaceutical companies and doctors don't make much money by prescribing diet and exercise. Many patients seem to prefer the pill in order to continue eating their horrible diet.
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No, unfortunately, we can't blame our parents and grandparents for many of our diseases. We can blame them for raising us with poor nutrition knowledge, but that is a different story!
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No one said forever. You can live a long life free of disease andNo one lives forever, no one. But with advances in modern science and my high level income, it's not crazy to think I can live to be 245, maybe 300.
Sorry... I couldn't help it.
Die naturally. Sarcasm is a killer though so I think you're doomed.0 -
Sorry, this is BS. Many diseases that affect any number of organs/body systems are genetically-modulated and have absolutely nothing to do with what you eat. And there are other causes of disease as well. For instance, I was born with two defective heart valves which were "silent" and went undiagnosed until about 7 months ago when I started showing vague symptoms. Now, in my 40s, I have bilateral heart failure and because of the heart failure my liver's been damaged as well and we're trying to prevent kidney damage. None of this has anything to do with what I do (or don't) eat but are ultimately because of structural defects that I was born with. And I'm vegan. Though not raw, as I see no reason to be.
This. The body is far more complex than what we eat. Even if we are born sound, environment plays a large role. Diet cannot cure everything nor is a lucky charm to ward off the big bad. It's just one thing we happen to control that can help alleviate risks. Not bypass them completely.0 -
It's not true. You may be at a lower risk for cancer, cardiovascular disease, and dementia (or many of the conditions that have been linked to a Western diet), but you could still get any these as well as infectious diseases, degenerative diseases, metabolic diseases, pretty much anything actually...0
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Again, disease not a sickness,virus,ect.Didn't Ashton Kutcher get hospitalised not too long ago for eating raw vegan?
No, he was hospitalized for eating ALL fruit, ALL the time.
That's what I had read too, he was experimenting with a fruitarian diet, which is very different than a whole foods, plant based diet.
Obviously you can get sick from all foods. But can your body be ridden with a disease if all you
Eat is vegetables, fruits, and nuts in moderation? Hmm.0 -
Joking aside, that sounds absolutely ridiculous.0 -
Hmm.. they didn't make a distinction between preventable disease vs. inherited/ idiopathic/ genetic disease?
DING DING DING.0 -
Again, disease not a sickness,virus,ect.Didn't Ashton Kutcher get hospitalised not too long ago for eating raw vegan?
No, he was hospitalized for eating ALL fruit, ALL the time.
That's what I had read too, he was experimenting with a fruitarian diet, which is very different than a whole foods, plant based diet.
Obviously you can get sick from all foods. But can your body be ridden with a disease if all you
Eat is vegetables, fruits, and nuts in moderation? Hmm.
You're forgeting beans, lentils, whole grains, seeds and things like olives, soy etc. But, a whole foods plant based diet is going to be more balanced than a raw vegan diet.0 -
Then you will NEVER get any kind of disease,ever. No heart disease, high blood pressure,
Liver disease, kidney disease,ect. He said he guarantees that if you eat all raw food and no animal foods
You will live your life without any disease.
Sorry, this is BS. Many diseases that affect any number of organs/body systems are genetically-modulated and have absolutely nothing to do with what you eat. And there are other causes of disease as well. For instance, I was born with two defective heart valves which were "silent" and went undiagnosed until about 7 months ago when I started showing vague symptoms. Now, in my 40s, I have bilateral heart failure and because of the heart failure my liver's been damaged as well and we're trying to prevent kidney damage. None of this has anything to do with what I do (or don't) eat but are ultimately because of structural defects that I was born with. And I'm vegan. Though not raw, as I see no reason to be.
I'm sorry you have to deal with that but this isn't referring to something you were born with.
That's obviously not controllable. If someone is disease free RIGHT NOW and adopts a Vegan lifestyle
Would that prevent diseases of all or even most kinds?
I'm not vegan btw, just curious to this guys statement.
No. Because not all disease is diet-linked. Much of it is genetically-modulated, like I said. If you have genes for developing, say, breast cancer, and those genes activate (something which is usually hormonally-regulated, NOT diet-regulated), you're going to get breast cancer whether you're a vegan or a person who exists solely on Big Macs. In short, your genes don't really give a fig what you eat, and any of us can be walking around with ticking time bombs in that regard.
That said, a vegan diet can be good for lowering blood pressure (IF you also keep your diet low-sodium) and possibly cholesterol, which both play into heart disease, of course...although many studies show that serum cholesterol levels aren't strongly affected by dietary cholesterol intake. Generally, if you lose weight, your BP will go down (assuming you don't eat a crap-ton of sodium) and your cholesterol will often (but not always) moderate. Whether you lose the weight on a raw, vegan diet or a diet of Big Macs, your body doesn't really care. As for diabetes...As they say, Oreos are vegan. And also "raw," if I'm not mistaken. If you eat a bunch of them, you're not doing your blood sugar any good. And there's tons of other vegan junk food out there, too, some of which is also raw, all of which is just as bad for you as non-vegan junk food. There's whole websites of calorie-laden, sugar-laden raw vegan desserts out there. Eat a ton of those and your blood sugar will whack out as surely as it will if you eat a ton of Twinkies.
It's all in the degree, you see.b There are no guarantees of anything, with anything. But my sense is that, even if you eat the cleanest, raw-est vegan diet ever, you're not going to be guaranteed to escape disease. And you're certainly not going to live forever. Even if your health is good, simple entropy takes it toll.0 -
I'm pretty sure you'd still get veneral diseases from unprotected sex. Unless that's against veganism because technically you'd have meat inside you...0
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Then you will NEVER get any kind of disease,ever. No heart disease, high blood pressure,
Liver disease, kidney disease,ect. He said he guarantees that if you eat all raw food and no animal foods
You will live your life without any disease.
Sorry, this is BS. Many diseases that affect any number of organs/body systems are genetically-modulated and have absolutely nothing to do with what you eat. And there are other causes of disease as well. For instance, I was born with two defective heart valves which were "silent" and went undiagnosed until about 7 months ago when I started showing vague symptoms. Now, in my 40s, I have bilateral heart failure and because of the heart failure my liver's been damaged as well and we're trying to prevent kidney damage. None of this has anything to do with what I do (or don't) eat but are ultimately because of structural defects that I was born with. And I'm vegan. Though not raw, as I see no reason to be.
I'm sorry you have to deal with that but this isn't referring to something you were born with.
That's obviously not controllable. If someone is disease free RIGHT NOW and adopts a Vegan lifestyle
Would that prevent diseases of all or even most kinds?
I'm not vegan btw, just curious to this guys statement.
No. Because not all disease is diet-linked. Much of it is genetically-modulated, like I said. If you have genes for developing, say, breast cancer, and those genes activate (something which is usually hormonally-regulated, NOT diet-regulated), you're going to get breast cancer whether you're a vegan or a person who exists solely on Big Macs. In short, your genes don't really give a fig what you eat, and any of us can be walking around with ticking time bombs in that regard.
That said, a vegan diet can be good for lowering blood pressure (IF you also keep your diet low-sodium) and possibly cholesterol, which both play into heart disease, of course...although many studies show that serum cholesterol levels aren't strongly affected by dietary cholesterol intake. Generally, if you lose weight, your BP will go down (assuming you don't eat a crap-ton of sodium) and your cholesterol will often (but not always) moderate. Whether you lose the weight on a raw, vegan diet or a diet of Big Macs, your body doesn't really care. As for diabetes...As they say, Oreos are vegan. And also "raw," if I'm not mistaken. If you eat a bunch of them, you're not doing your blood sugar any good. And there's tons of other vegan junk food out there, too, some of which is also raw, all of which is just as bad for you as non-vegan junk food. There's whole websites of calorie-laden, sugar-laden raw vegan desserts out there. Eat a ton of those and your blood sugar will whack out as surely as it will if you eat a ton of Twinkies.
It's all in the degree, you see.b There are no guarantees of anything, with anything. But my sense is that, even if you eat the cleanest, raw-est vegan diet ever, you're not going to be guaranteed to escape disease. And you're certainly not going to live forever. Even if your health is good, simple entropy takes it toll.
Good answer. Thanks0 -
I'm pretty sure you'd still get veneral diseases from unprotected sex. Unless that's against veganism because technically you'd have meat inside you...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
QFT0 -
I'm pretty sure you'd still get veneral diseases from unprotected sex. Unless that's against veganism because technically you'd have meat inside you...
And yet another reason I'll never go vegan. Second on the list, with Bacon being first.
Mmmm bacon.0 -
Joking aside, that sounds absolutely ridiculous.
anyone can look good with the red carpet treatment
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So I was watching this documentary "America the beautiful"
About how obesity is an epidemic and how people obsess with getting
The "perfect" body. So the producer went on a vegan type diet and the owner of
The restaurant/diet thing said that if you never eat animal products(basically vegan)
Then you will NEVER get any kind of disease,ever. No heart disease, high blood pressure,
Liver disease, kidney disease,ect. He said he guarantees that if you eat all raw food and no animal foods
You will live your life without any disease.
Is this an accurate statement? Cancer aside, Alot of diseases do come from the stuff
Found in animals but disease "free" for life sounds like a bold statement.
Insight Please!
This is not accurate.
I'm sure there are certain diseases you can avoid by never eating meat. But you cannot avoid ALL diseases. Some diseases are genetic, or environmental that have nothing to do with eating animal products. Or eating at all, for that matter.0 -
So I was watching this documentary "America the beautiful"
About how obesity is an epidemic and how people obsess with getting
The "perfect" body. So the producer went on a vegan type diet and the owner of
The restaurant/diet thing said that if you never eat animal products(basically vegan)
Then you will NEVER get any kind of disease,ever. No heart disease, high blood pressure,
Liver disease, kidney disease,ect. He said he guarantees that if you eat all raw food and no animal foods
You will live your life without any disease.
Is this an accurate statement? Cancer aside, Alot of diseases do come from the stuff
Found in animals but disease "free" for life sounds like a bold statement.
Insight Please!
It would be nice, but there are no guarantees. You can lower your risk of diseases by eating a balanced, nutrient dense diet and exercising regularly, but no one can promise you a completely disease free life. Anyone who tries is stretching the truth at best.0 -
Joking aside, that sounds absolutely ridiculous.
anyone can look good with the red carpet treatment
Nigella still looks way better. And the foods she cooks look amazing. And she's awesome.0 -
Nigella still looks way better. And the foods she cooks look amazing. And she's awesome.
I'd be a lot more concerned with how her arteries look ...0 -
Joking aside, that sounds absolutely ridiculous.
I'm pretty sure I can find thousands of photos of beautiful vegan women, and put them next to thousands of photos of ugly non-vegan, smoking women. But that would be just as useless as the image above wouldn't it?
For what it's worth, I'm not vegan (but I eat a mostly vegan diet, most of the time), and I don't think it's inherently wrong to eat animal products. But I have great respect for those who chose to be vegan, it's overall healthier than many diets ad it is certainly way better for the environment. Nothing worst than these meaningless "anti-vegan" type BS though. And on the flipside, there are so many advantages to being vegan, why would someone need to start lying about being "disease-free"? I hope the OP simply misunderstand something and this documentary wasn't actually making this absurd claim!0 -
I'm pretty sure you'd still get veneral diseases from unprotected sex. Unless that's against veganism because technically you'd have meat inside you...
And we have an internet winner for the day.0 -
That's why I chose that comparison picture over the other one that's floating around: this comparison is a candid photo of both of them dressed up at red carpet events. They're comparable.
Yes, when Nigella does herself up she looks that stunning.0
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