Children: Why are people having 4+??

pchesnut

My point is understand why and not to criticize anyone.

I might believe that if your original post hadn't said that any more then 3 children was 'insane' to you

I grew up in a family of 7 kids and I am extremely close to each of my siblings. They have brought more love and happiness into my life then any of my friends. My husband grew up in a family of 4 and feels the same way about his siblings. Family is the most important thing in life.
I am raising 4 of my own children. I am a SAHM because we can afford it, and because I feel like if I am going to raise kids then I need to be there to make sure they grow up to be stable contributing members of society.
Try not to judge others choices simply because you don't understand them. They may not understand your life choices either but you wouldn't like it if they called you out on them and called them ridiculous.

WendyTerry420

LOL at some sort of overpopulation problem seriously people most countries world wide are on a birth rate decline. The old out number the young. This is going to be the true problem in the very near future for the more developed countries. Watch what happens when you no longer have a young workforce supporting the retirees.

This is my theory why the US enjoyed such prosperity during the 80's and 90's the baby boomers were in the prime of their careers. An economic down turn in 2009 seems to have occurred about the same time a large majority of baby boomers exited the work force for early retirement.

:noway:

Sorry, but she's right. This is why the Social Security system will be running into trouble. There are many more Baby Boomers than there are "GenX" and GenY" to pay for it all. Birth rates *are* on the decline.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/13/why-are-birthrates-falling-around-the-world-in-a-word-television/

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100752786

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aabirthrate.htm

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/03/birth-rates-hit-record-low-for-those-under-25-still-on-the-rise-for-those-40/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/28/birthrate-continues-decline-us/

http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/01/the-declining-birthrate-doesnt-spell-disaster/

navyrigger46

and there is not a single natural resource that is not renewable.

Ozone...?!

All evidence over the last decade indicates that the ozone layer is repairing itself, and since it's made up of elemental molecules, yes, it's renewable, just like water which makes up an aspect of ozone. Elements, and the electrons that bind them are not finite.

Rigger

Fullsterkur_woman

But it's common for people to make assumptions about me by saying things like "you should get your GED."

That part is pretty awful. Why would someone assume you're not well-educated just because you have many tattoos? Moreover, why assume that someone's a bad person just because they're not well-educated?

And if you have 3 kids and marry someone with 3 kids, odds are pretty good that you've caught your limit and will stop making more people. It's reasonable to pool your resources and raise your families.

What isn't reasonable is thinking that there is an infinite supply of resources (if wilderness could sustain large numbers of people, you'd see large numbers of people there and it wouldn't be wilderness) and that there isn't a carrying capacity for humans just like there is for yeast and deer and wolves. Some people (not you) seem hell-bent on getting us there within a generation.

9-12 children was the norm for most of human history because most of them didn't survive to adulthood to reproduce themselves. We are no longer in that situation for most of the world. And for the developed nations with low birth rates, there will always be people willing to migrate to those countries for a better standard of living. I don't think we're in danger of becoming a country of ghost towns.

amluvstld

Why do you care? Eyes on your own uterus, dude.

Rage_Phish

and there is not a single natural resource that is not renewable.

Ozone...?!

Rigger

edit for being off topic

WendyTerry420

It is everyone's business when we're very seriously facing over-population and diminishing natural resources. Further, if these parents don't have the finances and mental capacity to raise their handfuls of children properly, the burden falls to the tax payers.

Ignorance should mind it's own business.

So a woman's right to choose only goes one way? Ok, that's cool. I have enough kids for both of us anyway. Added bonus: I get to raise them all however I like. :flowerforyou:

Listen lady, no one's telling you you can't have kids. Literally NO ONE has said that. Just that maybe you should think about the impact it has before you do so. No one is advocating forced abortion or sterilization, although after some responses in this thread I find myself leaning more towards that than I ever thought I would.

Also, yes. You do get to raise them however you want. That's how the mormons intend on taking over the world. So it's kinda looking like that right to choose may become one way in the near future.

Fullsterkur_woman

Sorry, but she's right. This is why the Social Security system will be running into trouble. There are many more Baby Boomers than there are "GenX" and GenY" to pay for it all. Birth rates *are* on the decline.

:noway: But... it's a pyramid scheme destined to fail. We can't breed our way out of the problem, unless you want to end up eating Soylent Green.

sizzle74

I *kitten* love these threads! Muahs all around!

Fullsterkur_woman

Why do you care? Eyes on your own uterus, dude.

for the juxtaposition of the words "uterus" and "dude". :glasses:

trijoe

What's so wrong with adoption? There are gazillions of kids who're begging to be part of an expanding family through adoption.

I've tried for years to con my wife into adopting a child, but with no luck. So I'll have to settle for the 3 we had the old fashioned way: With a bottle of manachevitz and a Barry White album.

Oh well.

WendyTerry420

Because Social Security is an abysmal failure, and it's going to take 14 workers for each recipient to keep the checks coming when I hit that age, so my wife and I need 28 kids to cover us, and if we throw a few extra in there, you're welcome.

All joking aside, I have 3 kids, and I'd take a couple more, but we're done and that's okay too. Really, it's no ones business but mine. And as for the whole overpopulation and natural resources aspect, really? Get out of the city and have a look at the other 95% of the worlds land mass, it's called wilderness, and we have plenty, and there is not a single natural resource that is not renewable.

Rigger

:drinker:

Fullsterkur_woman

What's so wrong with adoption? There are gazillions of kids who're begging to be part of an expanding family through adoption.

I've tried for years to con my wife into adopting a child, but with no luck. So I'll have to settle for the 3 we had the old fashioned way: With a bottle of manachevitz and a Barry White album.

Oh well.

Where are the rest of the men like you?! Most men are only interested in adopting a 17-year-old Vietnamese girl. :huh:

quirkytizzy

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(Says the shameless crazy-cat-holy-****-yes-I-really-do-have-four-cats-cat-lady) I can't afford diapers. That goes to cat litter!

Rage_Phish

I've tried for years to con my wife into adopting a child, but with no luck. So I'll have to settle for the 3 we had the old fashioned way: With a bottle of manachevitz and a Barry White album.

Oh well.

straight player status

WendyTerry420

Sorry, but she's right. This is why the Social Security system will be running into trouble. There are many more Baby Boomers than there are "GenX" and GenY" to pay for it all. Birth rates *are* on the decline.

:noway: But... it's a pyramid scheme destined to fail. We can't breed our way out of the problem, unless you want to end up eating Soylent Green.

I completely agree that it's a pyramid scheme, but acknowledge that fact doesn't help the people who have paid into it for 40 years and about to retire. I was not suggesting to "breed our way out of the problem," just pointing out that the other poster is correct about declining birth rates.

Fullsterkur_woman

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That's what I tell people who ask me if I have kids. It usually quashes the follow-ups.

WendyTerry420

What's so wrong with adoption? There are gazillions of kids who're begging to be part of an expanding family through adoption.

I've tried for years to con my wife into adopting a child, but with no luck. So I'll have to settle for the 3 we had the old fashioned way: With a bottle of manachevitz and a Barry White album.

Oh well.

The biggest problem with adoption is all the red tape that makes it so expensive. I have known people who wanted to adopt, but found it to be a demeaning and outrageous process. Apparently bureaucrats believe that children are better in temporary, state-approved situations than with a couple who will love and care for them.

Fullsterkur_woman

I completely agree that it's a pyramid scheme, but acknowledge that fact doesn't help the people who have paid into it for 40 years and about to retire. I was not suggesting to "breed our way out of the problem," just pointing out that the other poster is correct about declining birth rates.

OK, but then the declining birth rate is not why the system will be running into trouble. The system will be running into trouble because it was flawed in its initial design. I acknowledge the declining birth rate. I just don't see it as a problem.

nashai01

Did you not just hear Kendrick Lamar's Verse?????

yes, been all over the Net

Rage_Phish

Did you not just hear Kendrick Lamar's Verse?????

yes, been all over the Net

a co-worker played this track for me saying he disses other rappers. Am i the only one who sees hat it clearly is not an insult towards the other rappers mentioned?

DSTMT

Oh, I didn't realize that other people got to decide what or WHO was unnecessary when it has nothing at all to do with them. Wait, they don't!

if that was true anyone could get married

Also this...not to start a new argument, but I have to wonder how many people who are all full of righteous indignation about this girl not "minding her own business" are anti-gay marriage? Opinions are like...well you know the rest of that old saying.

Too, it strikes me that a lot of people here are basically saying "people can have as many kids as they want...until they need assistance for some reason, then screw them!" doesn't that seem a little hypocritical? I know everyone thinks that poor people want to steal all their money, but the fact is the extremely rich benefit more from government assistance than the extremely poor. And how do you know how they got there? Maybe one person had a high-paying job in a factory that just closed, or got sick and had to quit their job. Should they give their kids away? It's funny how people are being so judgmental while criticizing the OP for her seeming judgment. As long as it's not you being judged, it's ok?

cherryd69

There's nothing wrong with having several children. Children are ALWAYS a blessing from God. The problems you spoke of are related to the moral decline of our country and the breakdown of the family unit as this country turns it's back of God and Godly values. I don't believe that things will improve until people in our country acknowledge their sinful ways, repent, and put their faith in Jesus Christ as personal savior. Things could be so much better if we lived by God's laws, and not our own.

DoxieLove10612

I think if you don't have kids you can't understand why people would want so many. I don't have any, don't want any, and would give my eggs away for free. Most people can't understand why I don't want to exp the "miracle" of child birth....I can't understand why people think kids are a miracle. I just enjoy my life and let those who like children enjoy their life.

Now from the scope of working 40/hrs a week to support people with 12 kids who are on welfare that is lack of education; financial, sexual, etc.

hottamolly00

Because Social Security is an abysmal failure, and it's going to take 14 workers for each recipient to keep the checks coming when I hit that age, so my wife and I need 28 kids to cover us, and if we throw a few extra in there, you're welcome.

All joking aside, I have 3 kids, and I'd take a couple more, but we're done and that's okay too. Really, it's no ones business but mine. And as for the whole overpopulation and natural resources aspect, really? Get out of the city and have a look at the other 95% of the worlds land mass, it's called wilderness, and we have plenty, and there is not a single natural resource that is not renewable.

Rigger

THIS! And, one of my obese friends tried to argue the "too many kids and there's a lack of resources, so it's not fair to have so many kids" issue to me. I wanted to say, but I held back, that obese people should also consider said resources, if they see having too many kids as being a problem.

luckyshilling

The house ain't gonna keep itself clean.

yep

randomtai

Too, it strikes me that a lot of people here are basically saying "people can have as many kids as they want...until they need assistance for some reason, then screw them!" doesn't that seem a little hypocritical? I know everyone thinks that poor people want to steal all their money, but the fact is the extremely rich benefit more from government assistance than the extremely poor. And how do you know how they got there? Maybe one person had a high-paying job in a factory that just closed, or got sick and had to quit their job. Should they give their kids away? It's funny how people are being so judgmental while criticizing the OP for her seeming judgment. As long as it's not you being judged, it's ok?

Well said.

Rage_Phish

Because Social Security is an abysmal failure, and it's going to take 14 workers for each recipient to keep the checks coming when I hit that age, so my wife and I need 28 kids to cover us, and if we throw a few extra in there, you're welcome.

All joking aside, I have 3 kids, and I'd take a couple more, but we're done and that's okay too. Really, it's no ones business but mine. And as for the whole overpopulation and natural resources aspect, really? Get out of the city and have a look at the other 95% of the worlds land mass, it's called wilderness, and we have plenty, and there is not a single natural resource that is not renewable.

Rigger

THIS! And, one of my obese friends tried to argue the "too many kids and there's a lack of resources, so it's not fair to have so many kids" issue to me. I wanted to say, but I held back, that obese people should also consider said resources, if they see having too many kids as being a problem.

I'm not obese, and I am making that claim as well. Do you now believe the claim because the source is less hypocritical?

Kittyvicious1

Because I live in the United States not China where you are forced to have an abortion after two kids and especially if you are having a girl

Velum_cado

I can't get my head around people having *one*, so I'm probably not the person to ask.