Nope, I dont believe it
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jls1leather9497 wrote: »Pipsqueak1965 wrote: »Just log everything to eat, and weigh it all so you know you are actually doing it right. Keep going for a month and then see where you are.
Thanks, that's what I've been doing. While I really DON'T think ipl lose 40+, I was surprised to see tha following g the recommendation PLUS working out pretty hard and very regular, after day 44 I've lost a total of 3 lbs ! I would have thought I'd drop 10 at least.
It seems some here think that anybody who didnt kise by the "formula" must be giving inaccurate info or outright lying. Truth us, I dont k ow anybody I want to impress enough to lie about it
So, the menu ..
I don't think anyone is accusing you of lying. Logging accurately is not something most of us knew how to do before we got here. Lots of database entries are incorrect, and learning how to easily find accurate ones takes practice. Eyeballing portions is notoriously inaccurate, so many of us had to get more careful about weighing and measuring our portions. It's also super easy to not think to log things like the milk in your coffee or the cooking oil in the pan. Logging errors can easily eat up 200-500 cals per day for the average person new to this app.
You've been losing at a rate of about 0.5lbs per week, so you've been averaging a 250 cal deficit. Investigating ways to log more accurately might lead to you losing closer to the amount you'd expect. If you're not interested in doing that or don't believe the math is the key, feel free to ignore this.10 -
Breakfast was scrambled eggs, 1 whole egg and 5 egg whites. Add 1/2 jalepeno pepper and 2 tbsp hot sauce (10 calories). Black coffee x2.
Just now back from the gym. Workout was 1 hour 15 min, which is 38 sets of 6 and a total of 20 x 45 second breaks (set of 6 deadlifts, followed immediately by set of 6 pullups followed by 45 second rest, begin second ser of dl ...)
Lunch is 9 oz skinless chicken breast pan seared in balsamic vinegar (no oil) with 1/4 yellow onion, 1 oz chopped fresh garlic, and a tsp Cayenne pepper. 20 oz water, and I'm going to drink another water in a minute.
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jls1leather9497 wrote: »Well, I'm confused about how to use the thing maybe.
Enter.my age, height, weight, this thing says I should lose 2 lbs per week at 1500. So even if strength training burned NO calories, and I skipped the walk (treadmill at good incline), then I should have.lost 8-10 lbs just by logging 1400-ish daily ( I did have one day went over). Protein calories at 35-40%
Since you are nailing people about not reading your post correctly - where's that magical IF statement you inserted in prior supposed quotes?
When I first read that, I too wondered why you thought MFP would be saying you should lose 2 lbs per week - since it makes no recommendation about rate.
Sadly it could and should give warnings when people select a potentially foolish goal.
And yes, you have explained what you meant by this point - just so you are aware of why several thought you said something else - because you did initially.7 -
jls1leather9497 wrote: »Pipsqueak1965 wrote: »Just log everything to eat, and weigh it all so you know you are actually doing it right. Keep going for a month and then see where you are.
Thanks, that's what I've been doing. While I really DON'T think ipl lose 40+, I was surprised to see tha following g the recommendation PLUS working out pretty hard and very regular, after day 44 I've lost a total of 3 lbs ! I would have thought I'd drop 10 at least.
It seems some here think that anybody who didnt lose by the "formula" must be giving inaccurate info or outright lying. Truth us, I dont k ow anybody I want to impress enough to lie about it
So, the menu ..
Except your style of workout pushing the anaerobic zone is just begging the muscles to store more glucose for the way they are being used - with attached water.
So some increase merely from that.
Nice long hard workouts just have the body retaining water for repair needed, you likely have a bit.
Stress induced cortisol water retained probably applies if the workouts are above a level the body can fully recover from.
Inaccurate food logging or the mere fact of 20% inaccuracy allowed in food labels.
If measurements still going down pretty decently despite weight not being that fast - you are likely losing fat at faster rate. Water weight merely hiding that fact.
But water weight is usually around the whole body - hence the reason measurements will still be dropping in some areas if measuring several spots.5 -
So, that menu - I just checked -- looks like this. Now I'm hearing about water weight and such, which contradicts the 'log and you lose' mentality prevalent here.
But I'm not interested in debates ..
It's a legit question- if I'm not doing it right, somebody point it out.
Here's what I got for today. I'm going to bark down a banana creme oikos triple zero yogurt in a.minute.just because.the calories are so.low.
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Note that I deliberately changed it.to 1350 per day as it calculated, bypassed the 1500 minimum just to make the point.
Definitely keeping the.protein.up!
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Water weight doesn't contradict log-and-you-lose, it complicates it. Because weight loss isn't linear and water weight can mask fat loss. That doesn't mean you aren't losing fat; it just means that the scale isn't necessarily going to show it every week.
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I am also 5'9". I've been as high as 215lbs, but now I'm 173. My goal for the spring is sub 170. (Some might think "well, that should be easy," but I have found that it's not.)
Being heavier suited my lifestyle when I was younger. I lifted a lot, ate a lot, and drank a lot. My blood pressure and lipids were normal. Subsequently, I became mildly hypertensive and was advised to lose weight and do more aerobic exercise. It worked!
I've also gone from size 36 to 33 pants. It's fun being an old guy in skinny jeans.10 -
I'm a woman in my 40's, 5'4" and started at 145 lbs, average fitness. I lost @ 0.5lbs per week eating 1500 calories.
If you are a muscular 214 lb male and are barely losing weight logging 1500 cals or less for over a month, either your logging is off, or you have a medical condition that needs correcting.
Rather than posting half a day's worth of food, it would be easier if you temporarily set your diary to public. Because we don't know yet what the results will be of your food today, but we already know you've been losing @ 0.5lbs per week from the food you've already logged for the last month.9 -
jls1leather9497 wrote: »So, that menu - I just checked -- looks like this. Now I'm hearing about water weight and such, which contradicts the 'log and you lose' mentality prevalent here.
But I'm not interested in debates ..
It's a legit question- if I'm not doing it right, somebody point it out.
Here's what I got for today. I'm going to bark down a banana creme oikos triple zero yogurt in a.minute.just because.the calories are so.low.
Just set your calories correctly and get in the habit of accurate logging. It'll work. If you're doing anything wrong, maybe it's that you're not seeing the big picture. Stop focusing day to day or week to week and monitor your changes month to month. The long term trend will be steady weightloss, even if the daily data point skews up or down from the average.0 -
Oh, yeah ... the warm up for the workout is 10 mins treadmill at 3.5 mph on setting 8 incline which I'm guessing is about 20 degrees incline.
Treadmill says that about 80 calories burned, but whether accurate or not I haven't even figured that in. That's 4 days per week.0 -
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jls1leather9497 wrote: » There's all sorts of wackadoo buttons on this app I never knew did something until someone else mentioned it. After 4 years there's still things I see people post and I'm like, I had no idea you could do that! 2
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estherdragonbat wrote: »Actually, MFP will not give you under 1500 calories, no matter what. To lose 2lbs per week, you need to eat 1000 calories below your daily maintenance. BUT, if your daily maintenance is 2300 calories and you tell MFP you want to lose 2lbs per week? It's not going to tell you to eat 1300. It's going to go to the default minimum for men of 1500. Even though that's really going to be setting you up to lose 1.8/week.
I don't know what your daily maintenance is, just to be clear. But I do know that MFP will not give a man less than 1500 calories/day (or a woman 1200).
If I eat less than 1000 calories will the mfp app come out of the tablet and slap me?4 -
It won't let you close your diary. But why would you want to undereat?7
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jls1leather9497 wrote: »So, that menu - I just checked -- looks like this. Now I'm hearing about water weight and such, which contradicts the 'log and you lose' mentality prevalent here.
But I'm not interested in debates ..
It's a legit question- if I'm not doing it right, somebody point it out.
Here's what I got for today. I'm going to bark down a banana creme oikos triple zero yogurt in a.minute.just because.the calories are so.low.
LOL bark that thing down!!0 -
jls1leather9497 wrote: », this thing says I should lose 2 lbs per week at 1500.
What I said (and you quoted) was "this thing says I should lose 2lbs per week at 1500".
And the 1500 DID come from mfp ... (2250 -1000, then adjusted to meet 1500 minimum).
The number wasn't something.random I chose, its what mfp says when you enter.my age, weight, go weight (190) and largely sedentary desk job.
Didnt it suggest a number for you?@!0 -
Sure why not? I'm cute now, but i USED TO BE INCREDIBLE 😉4 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »It won't let you close your diary. But why would you want to undereat?
It will not re commend less than 1500, which is.where the.number. omes from. But it WILL let me close the diary on anything over 12000 -
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That thing says that at roughly 175 cm and 97kg I'm "overweight".
Makes sense, I know I can drop some weight, or I wouldnt be here. But 45lbs? Probably not. What do you suppose is the effect of osteoporosis? Woman same size weighs.less, right? I'm not persuaded that."muscle is heavier than fat", but it DOES affect bone density.
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Now, where do I see all the fancy HIGH PROTEIN recipes? Not a problem yet, but I want to keep some variety in the diet mix.0
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jls1leather9497 wrote: »
That thing says that at roughly 175 cm and 97kg I'm "overweight".
Makes sense, I know I can drop some weight, or I wouldnt be here. But 45lbs? Probably not. What do you suppose is the effect of osteoporosis? Woman same size weighs.less, right? I'm not persuaded that."muscle is heavier than fat", but it DOES affect bone density.
Yes, one of the weaknesses of BMI is that it doesn’t distinguish between men and women. It’s obvious that a large muscular man of your height should weigh more than a woman. You do carry a lot of muscle and may well, when at your fittest, fall into the outlier population of people who are not well represented by BMI. BMI was never intended to be the sole determinant of whether an individual was at a healthy weight. It’s just a quick took for identifying people who may be overweight.4 -
jls1leather9497 wrote: »
That thing says that at roughly 175 cm and 97kg I'm "overweight".
Makes sense, I know I can drop some weight, or I wouldnt be here. But 45lbs? Probably not. What do you suppose is the effect of osteoporosis? Woman same size weighs.less, right? I'm not persuaded that."muscle is heavier than fat", but it DOES affect bone density.
Muscle is denser than fat and therefore weighs more by volume. It's not something to be persuaded to believe, it just is. A person can lose fat and gain muscle and be smaller but heavier.
After a couple bulk/cuts, I went from 118 to around 128 and was still the same size I was originally at 118; just 10 pounds heavier.6 -
jls1leather9497 wrote: »Just checked the "optimal" weight on this app for my height. WAY over generalized, and I dont buy it.
According to mfp, at 69" I should optimally weigh 155, top end of 170.
PUH LEEZE. I could lose some pounds, which is the reason for.my curiosity. After logging for over a month, I haven't shed really any weight. That's eating the recommended and working out harder than most at the gym 4 days/wk.
Current weight at 214, wearing 34 Jean's. Only way I'm going to weigh 160-ish would be stop working out and stop eating, or just have one.leg.removed at the thigh.
Oh, well, still be good for the encyclopedia of calorie / macro listings.
I agree. My SO is also 5'9" and recently lost 40 pounds. He is now 174 and I think he is a bit too thin for my liking.3 -
Well, then apparently its "possible", even if not ideal.dhammond2336 wrote: »
I agree. My SO is also 5'9" and recently lost 40 pounds. He is now 174 and I think he is a bit too thin for my liking.
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jls1leather9497 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »jls1leather9497 wrote: »Enter.my age, height, weight, this thing says I should lose 2 lbs per week at 1500.
MFP doesn't tell you to lose 2 lbs / wk. It asks you how much you want to lose per week, and you tell it. You can choose a slower rate of weight loss.
Read it again. Not even close to what I said. Clearly says that given my info, MFP SAYS I should lose 2 lbs per week IF I go with the RECOMMENDED (by mfp) 1500 calories daily.
A little more reading, it actually calculates 2250, subtracts 1000 for the 2lb loss, resulting in 1250, which IT then bumps up to pump the myth that.men must never drop below 1500 per day.
No wonder the internet so polluted with misinformation -- one person didnt read what I said, and 6 people liked a 'response' to something I didnt say
MFP does not give you a recommendation of 1500 until you give it goals that yield that recommendation, like losing 2 lbs a week. My point, which I'm not sure if you're missing, is that MFP won't spit out any calorie goals until you pick a weight loss rate. It only sets floors for calories and ceilings for weight loss rates, but those that don't come into play until you provide information about your current weight, height, activity level, and per-week goal.4 -
jls1leather9497 wrote: »jls1leather9497 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »jls1leather9497 wrote: »Enter.my age, height, weight, this thing says I should lose 2 lbs per week at 1500.
MFP doesn't tell you to lose 2 lbs / wk. It asks you how much you want to lose per week, and you tell it. You can choose a slower rate of weight loss.
Read it again. Not even close to what I said. Clearly says that given my info, MFP SAYS I should lose 2 lbs per week IF I go with the RECOMMENDED (by mfp) 1500 calories daily.
If everybody is misunderstanding what you write, you might want to consider whether the problem is with what you're actually writing.
Wait... you think that
"mfp says I should.lose 2lb per week if I eat 1500 calories"
is confusing?@!
Nope, that's not especially confusing. It's also not what you said. You saidEnter.my age, height, weight, this thing says I should lose 2 lbs per week at 1500.
No "if." Your actual original statement read as though you thought MFP was advising you to lose 2 lbs per week and to do so by consuming 1500 calories per day.
My objection was that MFP does not prescribe a rate of weight loss. It doesn't tell you to lose 2 lbs per week. That's your choice.4 -
jls1leather9497 wrote: »Roudy Rhonda is hot - I like a gal with drive like that.
But I dont discount ppl outside the "acceptable" weight. My buddy ted is about 5'6", maybe 180? I thought he was gonna thump that doctor a few years back when the bonehead told him he was considered obese and needed to lose weight. Ted has MAYBE 10-12% body fat, and pec muscle about 3" thick, looks like somebody put a book on his sternum and open ed it in the middle
But the doctor doing work physicals had his little chart ...
5'6" 180lbs, and a body fat of 12% would be a Fat Free Mass Index of 25.6. If true, your friend should be a top tier natural bodybuilder or on anabolics.1
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