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funjen1972 wrote: »Just throwing this out for considerstion, not my opinion...
I identify as a tall slender female (ha!). Should restaurants have seating which prevents my knees from hitting the underside of a table? Should bar stools always have padding since I don't have much of my own? Should the distance between chairs be closer so I can be a comfortable distance to the others in my party?
I identify as a lefted handed person (ha!). Should we switch the orientation of place settings, water glass and silverware? Should the TP be on the other side of the stall? Should door handles be changed to the other side?
What about if I identify as a great tipper, a horrible tipper, a fast eater, a slow eater, a yeller, a rude patron, a very short person, a drunk, allergic to 10000 things, a (insert anything here)... Should I be accommodated?
Just some thoughts to ponder...
I'm going to go out on a wild limb and say as a tall slender female, the world in general is probably designed to cater to you more than an obese person.
For a weight loss site, there's an interesting amount of casual anti-fat bias on here sometimes.
Yes, in my experience, any discomfort I ever experience in a restaurant or other public setting is due to me being relatively short. As a slender person, it already seems like the world is built for me. Airline seats, restaurant seating, movie theatre seats, etc . . . I can't think of a single situation where I've thought "This would be more comfortable if I weighed more."21 -
janejellyroll wrote: »funjen1972 wrote: »Just throwing this out for considerstion, not my opinion...
I identify as a tall slender female (ha!). Should restaurants have seating which prevents my knees from hitting the underside of a table? Should bar stools always have padding since I don't have much of my own? Should the distance between chairs be closer so I can be a comfortable distance to the others in my party?
I identify as a lefted handed person (ha!). Should we switch the orientation of place settings, water glass and silverware? Should the TP be on the other side of the stall? Should door handles be changed to the other side?
What about if I identify as a great tipper, a horrible tipper, a fast eater, a slow eater, a yeller, a rude patron, a very short person, a drunk, allergic to 10000 things, a (insert anything here)... Should I be accommodated?
Just some thoughts to ponder...
I'm going to go out on a wild limb and say as a tall slender female, the world in general is probably designed to cater to you more than an obese person.
For a weight loss site, there's an interesting amount of casual anti-fat bias on here sometimes.
Yes, in my experience, any discomfort I ever experience in a restaurant or other public setting is due to me being relatively short. As a slender person, it already seems like the world is built for me. Airline seats, restaurant seating, movie theatre seats, etc . . . I can't think of a single situation where I've thought "This would be more comfortable if I weighed more."
Except when I have to sit for long periods on a hard, wooden seat
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comptonelizabeth wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »funjen1972 wrote: »Just throwing this out for considerstion, not my opinion...
I identify as a tall slender female (ha!). Should restaurants have seating which prevents my knees from hitting the underside of a table? Should bar stools always have padding since I don't have much of my own? Should the distance between chairs be closer so I can be a comfortable distance to the others in my party?
I identify as a lefted handed person (ha!). Should we switch the orientation of place settings, water glass and silverware? Should the TP be on the other side of the stall? Should door handles be changed to the other side?
What about if I identify as a great tipper, a horrible tipper, a fast eater, a slow eater, a yeller, a rude patron, a very short person, a drunk, allergic to 10000 things, a (insert anything here)... Should I be accommodated?
Just some thoughts to ponder...
I'm going to go out on a wild limb and say as a tall slender female, the world in general is probably designed to cater to you more than an obese person.
For a weight loss site, there's an interesting amount of casual anti-fat bias on here sometimes.
Yes, in my experience, any discomfort I ever experience in a restaurant or other public setting is due to me being relatively short. As a slender person, it already seems like the world is built for me. Airline seats, restaurant seating, movie theatre seats, etc . . . I can't think of a single situation where I've thought "This would be more comfortable if I weighed more."
Except when I have to sit for long periods on a hard, wooden seat
It must be the places I'm choosing to eat, usually they're pretty padded!
I know my experience isn't universal, I just think that generally it's probably harder to be comfortable in public settings if you are not obese. And even if I am uncomfortable in a harder seat or a booth that has a wider space between the seat and the table, I never have to worry about people staring at me (at least for my weight!) or a restaurant outright turning me away because there is no way I can fit.4 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »
Except when I have to sit for long periods on a hard, wooden seat
+1, after I lost 50#, seats became much harder. Funny how that happens.
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funjen1972 wrote: »Just throwing this out for considerstion, not my opinion...
I identify as a tall slender female (ha!). Should restaurants have seating which prevents my knees from hitting the underside of a table? Should bar stools always have padding since I don't have much of my own? Should the distance between chairs be closer so I can be a comfortable distance to the others in my party?
I identify as a lefted handed person (ha!). Should we switch the orientation of place settings, water glass and silverware? Should the TP be on the other side of the stall? Should door handles be changed to the other side?
What about if I identify as a great tipper, a horrible tipper, a fast eater, a slow eater, a yeller, a rude patron, a very short person, a drunk, allergic to 10000 things, a (insert anything here)... Should I be accommodated?
Just some thoughts to ponder...
I'm going to go out on a wild limb and say as a tall slender female, the world in general is probably designed to cater to you more than an obese person.
For a weight loss site, there's an interesting amount of casual anti-fat bias on here sometimes.
I'd say, for making an educated business decision about their investments and budget, any business will find that a larger proportion of people is in fact not large... That's a risk that they will take.
A 'weight loss' site is alway little bit 'anti fat' by nature.... There is no special bias involved, I'm sure...
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funjen1972 wrote: »Just throwing this out for considerstion, not my opinion...
I identify as a tall slender female (ha!). Should restaurants have seating which prevents my knees from hitting the underside of a table? Should bar stools always have padding since I don't have much of my own? Should the distance between chairs be closer so I can be a comfortable distance to the others in my party?
I identify as a lefted handed person (ha!). Should we switch the orientation of place settings, water glass and silverware? Should the TP be on the other side of the stall? Should door handles be changed to the other side?
What about if I identify as a great tipper, a horrible tipper, a fast eater, a slow eater, a yeller, a rude patron, a very short person, a drunk, allergic to 10000 things, a (insert anything here)... Should I be accommodated?
Just some thoughts to ponder...
I'm going to go out on a wild limb and say as a tall slender female, the world in general is probably designed to cater to you more than an obese person.
For a weight loss site, there's an interesting amount of casual anti-fat bias on here sometimes.
I'd say, for making an educated business decision about their investments and budget, any business will find that a larger proportion of people is in fact not large... That's a risk that they will take.
A 'weight loss' site is alway little bit 'anti fat' by nature.... There is no special bias involved, I'm sure...
Yeah, I don't think the post that mentioned tall slender people was exhibiting anti-fat bias. I thought she was taking the argument to the extreme as a way of asking how far we should go in expecting a restaurant to cater to individual physical characteristics.
And to add to this, I'm just guessing, but I don't think we are talking about people who are just into the obese category, like around 200 lbs. Are we? While lots of folks are in the overweight/obese category, is the % who are closer to the 300+ lb range statistically numerous? At 200 lbs, do people have issues with restaurant seating?20 -
I think something else to consider is just cold practicality. The restaurant business is hairy - most new restaurants won't survive. They are often moving into a space that is already laid out and don't have tons of money to change the layout to allow for plus size booths or chairs. And as any short woman (who sometimes feels like a 5 yr old who needs a booster seat in regular restaurant setups) will tell you, if you design a booth or chair for a 300+ lb person, many smaller people won't be able to use it. So do you have two booths that have to sit empty while people wait if no one that size happens to show up? Which is better for your profit margin - having space available to accommodate larger people and risking it sitting empty if no one who can use it shows up, or losing out on the business of larger people because they can't fit? And as previously asked, how big should you accommodate? Do you have booths for up to 300 lbs, and booths for up to 500 lbs?
Perhaps chain restaurants have better finances and more corporate backing to be able to design a more inclusive layout. Or some kind of convertible situation, where a regular setup can be converted if someone needs it. But most small restaurants, lunch shops, local dives etc are working with limited space and are desperate to serve as many people as possible to aim for a razor thin profit margin. Unless they find themselves often dealing with customers who can't eat there because of their size or embarrassing situations when they try to, I can't imagine doing much about it is possible for many of them.
While I feel awful for people whose size puts them in this situation in the first place, I'm not sure expecting restaurants to find a way to change that is realistic.
This is a good point. While I feel for people who are in this situation, I also have personally seen the negative impacts of making things like seating larger. Not trying to do the "well skinny people get shamed TOO!" nonsense that can get so prevalent on these discussions, but just talking about pure practicality. It's impossible to have one design that is going to fit everyone, so I think the move to provide a variety of options as far as practicable makes a lot more sense than just making everything bigger.
I'm short (well, average height for a woman - 5'4") and have been seated many times in restaurant booths where my feet dangle, the table is so high I can't cut my food without my elbows uncomfortably high and splayed, I have to perch on the edge of the seat, etc. If everything starts being made bigger, I'm not going to be able to eat at a restaurant either, and I'm not sure that's better (especially because I'm far from an outlier size-wise, 5'4" is pretty darn common).
In my experience, most of the things I interact with on a daily basis are built for a normal-BMI person of about 5'9" or 5'10". Those of us who are further from that standard than others will struggle sometimes. I can't reach the handholds standing on the train to work. I can't see over a podium if speaking at an event. I often can't reach the armrests of my seat because my arms are too short. The top shelf at the grocery store is beyond my reach. But if the world changed to suit me, then new problems would start for taller people.
The best we can do IMO is try to offer sensitivity, flexibility, and kindness and help people out where we can. Options are great. Tables, booths, bar tops, chairs with and without arms, moveable furniture if we can (especially when creating something new - retrofitting is understandably more complicated logistically and financially.)20 -
funjen1972 wrote: »Just throwing this out for considerstion, not my opinion...
I identify as a tall slender female (ha!). Should restaurants have seating which prevents my knees from hitting the underside of a table? Should bar stools always have padding since I don't have much of my own? Should the distance between chairs be closer so I can be a comfortable distance to the others in my party?
I identify as a lefted handed person (ha!). Should we switch the orientation of place settings, water glass and silverware? Should the TP be on the other side of the stall? Should door handles be changed to the other side?
What about if I identify as a great tipper, a horrible tipper, a fast eater, a slow eater, a yeller, a rude patron, a very short person, a drunk, allergic to 10000 things, a (insert anything here)... Should I be accommodated?
Just some thoughts to ponder...
I'm going to go out on a wild limb and say as a tall slender female, the world in general is probably designed to cater to you more than an obese person.
For a weight loss site, there's an interesting amount of casual anti-fat bias on here sometimes.
I'd say, for making an educated business decision about their investments and budget, any business will find that a larger proportion of people is in fact not large... That's a risk that they will take.
A 'weight loss' site is alway little bit 'anti fat' by nature.... There is no special bias involved, I'm sure...
Yeah, I don't think the post that mentioned tall slender people was exhibiting anti-fat bias. I thought she was taking the argument to the extreme as a way of asking how far we should go in expecting a restaurant to cater to individual physical characteristics.
And to add to this, I'm just guessing, but I don't think we are talking about people who are just into the obese category, like around 200 lbs. Are we? While lots of folks are in the overweight/obese category, is the % who are closer to the 300+ lb range statistically numerous? At 200 lbs, do people have issues with restaurant seating?
I think it's possible to read as flippant the attempt to compare the challenges left-handed or rude people face in a restaurant to the challenges presented in the article. To the extent that these challenges are real and cause actual emotional distress, it did strike me as a kind of casual bias.
Regardless of how we feel about the role individuals play in their weight, I don't think there is anything wrong about showing compassion about how individuals may feel in a given situation.17 -
funjen1972 wrote: »Just throwing this out for considerstion, not my opinion...
I identify as a tall slender female (ha!). Should restaurants have seating which prevents my knees from hitting the underside of a table? Should bar stools always have padding since I don't have much of my own? Should the distance between chairs be closer so I can be a comfortable distance to the others in my party?
I identify as a lefted handed person (ha!). Should we switch the orientation of place settings, water glass and silverware? Should the TP be on the other side of the stall? Should door handles be changed to the other side?
What about if I identify as a great tipper, a horrible tipper, a fast eater, a slow eater, a yeller, a rude patron, a very short person, a drunk, allergic to 10000 things, a (insert anything here)... Should I be accommodated?
Just some thoughts to ponder...
I'm going to go out on a wild limb and say as a tall slender female, the world in general is probably designed to cater to you more than an obese person.
For a weight loss site, there's an interesting amount of casual anti-fat bias on here sometimes.
I'd say, for making an educated business decision about their investments and budget, any business will find that a larger proportion of people is in fact not large... That's a risk that they will take.
A 'weight loss' site is alway little bit 'anti fat' by nature.... There is no special bias involved, I'm sure...
Yeah, I don't think the post that mentioned tall slender people was exhibiting anti-fat bias. I thought she was taking the argument to the extreme as a way of asking how far we should go in expecting a restaurant to cater to individual physical characteristics.
And to add to this, I'm just guessing, but I don't think we are talking about people who are just into the obese category, like around 200 lbs. Are we? While lots of folks are in the overweight/obese category, is the % who are closer to the 300+ lb range statistically numerous? At 200 lbs, do people have issues with restaurant seating?
I think, even the number 200 is relative.. At 6'2" and at the time close to 200 lbs, my father-in-law didn't fit into much of anything..car seats, airplane seats, restaurant booths... The challenge is 3-dimensional... 4 -
funjen1972 wrote: »Just throwing this out for considerstion, not my opinion...
I identify as a tall slender female (ha!). Should restaurants have seating which prevents my knees from hitting the underside of a table? Should bar stools always have padding since I don't have much of my own? Should the distance between chairs be closer so I can be a comfortable distance to the others in my party?
I identify as a lefted handed person (ha!). Should we switch the orientation of place settings, water glass and silverware? Should the TP be on the other side of the stall? Should door handles be changed to the other side?
What about if I identify as a great tipper, a horrible tipper, a fast eater, a slow eater, a yeller, a rude patron, a very short person, a drunk, allergic to 10000 things, a (insert anything here)... Should I be accommodated?
Just some thoughts to ponder...
I agree with you. I just dont think its possible to be able to accommodate every fat person that walks in the door. Yes ALL people need and should be treated with respect, but its just not possible to acquiesce and satisfy the exigency of every soul that demands or asks of it.6 -
Samquentin wrote: »I've been on both sides. I was a size 26 (313 lbs), now am a size 2 (142 lbs).... at 313 I couldn't fit into regular booths, and always asked for a table. now at 142, the booths I could fit in at 313, are uncomfortable for me now, as I am SO FAR AWAY from the table.
lol @ being so far away from the table!.....and kudos to you on the weight loss. Good Job!2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Yes, in my experience, any discomfort I ever experience in a restaurant or other public setting is due to me being relatively short. As a slender person, it already seems like the world is built for me. Airline seats, restaurant seating, movie theatre seats, etc . . . I can't think of a single situation where I've thought "This would be more comfortable if I weighed more."
I have been obese 90% of my life and my biggest issue was then and is now being under 5'4. I'm almost 5'1 and can barely touch the ground in most chairs...6 -
funjen1972 wrote: »Just throwing this out for considerstion, not my opinion...
I identify as a tall slender female (ha!). Should restaurants have seating which prevents my knees from hitting the underside of a table? Should bar stools always have padding since I don't have much of my own? Should the distance between chairs be closer so I can be a comfortable distance to the others in my party?
I identify as a lefted handed person (ha!). Should we switch the orientation of place settings, water glass and silverware? Should the TP be on the other side of the stall? Should door handles be changed to the other side?
What about if I identify as a great tipper, a horrible tipper, a fast eater, a slow eater, a yeller, a rude patron, a very short person, a drunk, allergic to 10000 things, a (insert anything here)... Should I be accommodated?
Just some thoughts to ponder...
I'm going to go out on a wild limb and say as a tall slender female, the world in general is probably designed to cater to you more than an obese person.
For a weight loss site, there's an interesting amount of casual anti-fat bias on here sometimes.
I'd say, for making an educated business decision about their investments and budget, any business will find that a larger proportion of people is in fact not large... That's a risk that they will take.
A 'weight loss' site is alway little bit 'anti fat' by nature.... There is no special bias involved, I'm sure...
Yeah, I don't think the post that mentioned tall slender people was exhibiting anti-fat bias. I thought she was taking the argument to the extreme as a way of asking how far we should go in expecting a restaurant to cater to individual physical characteristics.
And to add to this, I'm just guessing, but I don't think we are talking about people who are just into the obese category, like around 200 lbs. Are we? While lots of folks are in the overweight/obese category, is the % who are closer to the 300+ lb range statistically numerous? At 200 lbs, do people have issues with restaurant seating?
I think, even the number 200 is relative.. At 6'2" and at the time close to 200 lbs, my father-in-law didn't fit into much of anything..car seats, airplane seats, restaurant booths... The challenge is 3-dimensional...
Well, I liked the idea that one poster gave a few messages up.....Perhaps some durable conversion seating might be possible for restaurants to invest in. When the word gets around, they would become known for accomodating those of a larger size and make more money which is their objective.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Yes, in my experience, any discomfort I ever experience in a restaurant or other public setting is due to me being relatively short. As a slender person, it already seems like the world is built for me. Airline seats, restaurant seating, movie theatre seats, etc . . . I can't think of a single situation where I've thought "This would be more comfortable if I weighed more."
I have been obese 90% of my life and my biggest issue was then and is now being under 5'4. I'm almost 5'1 and can barely touch the ground in most chairs...
I'm a bit taller, but it's still an issue for me sometimes. Especially in office chairs. If I'm lucky, they've got the little adjustment handle underneath the seat . . .0 -
lleeann2001 wrote: »funjen1972 wrote: »Just throwing this out for considerstion, not my opinion...
I identify as a tall slender female (ha!). Should restaurants have seating which prevents my knees from hitting the underside of a table? Should bar stools always have padding since I don't have much of my own? Should the distance between chairs be closer so I can be a comfortable distance to the others in my party?
I identify as a lefted handed person (ha!). Should we switch the orientation of place settings, water glass and silverware? Should the TP be on the other side of the stall? Should door handles be changed to the other side?
What about if I identify as a great tipper, a horrible tipper, a fast eater, a slow eater, a yeller, a rude patron, a very short person, a drunk, allergic to 10000 things, a (insert anything here)... Should I be accommodated?
Just some thoughts to ponder...
I agree with you. I just dont think its possible to be able to accommodate every fat person that walks in the door. Yes ALL people need and should be treated with respect, but its just not possible to acquiesce and satisfy the exigency of every soul that demands or asks of it.
No one is asked to satisfy every kind of customer, but it's smart to try to accommodate the majority. It's not hard to do, either. Provide sturdy chairs that don't have armrests and the vast majority of people will find them okay, plus, a sturdy chair will last longer.
I don't think restaurant owners maliciously choose uncomfortable seating arrangements on purpose to shame fat people into losing weight, and I don't think it's a discrimination issue. It's more like shortsightedness and not being very observant since the reality is that the average customer is getting bigger in general, regardless of the owner's opinion on the matter.12 -
Samquentin wrote: »I've been on both sides. I was a size 26 (313 lbs), now am a size 2 (142 lbs).... at 313 I couldn't fit into regular booths, and always asked for a table. now at 142, the booths I could fit in at 313, are uncomfortable for me now, as I am SO FAR AWAY from the table.
This is the case for me too, although I'm not as small as you are. I sometimes feel surprised at how large things still feel, years after losing the weight. The only time I really had trouble around 300 lb was in certain theaters when seeing live shows, usually very old buildings with small seats, all I could think about was my thighs pressing against the sides of the seats and whether my arms and torso fat was touching my companion(s). It was awful but it was one of many things that served as a wake up call and motivated me to change things.
On the other hand, I'm ALL about accessibility for as many people as possible. Everyone, ideally.4 -
congrats on your wdight lost @seltzermint5551
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Samquentin wrote: »I've been on both sides. I was a size 26 (313 lbs), now am a size 2 (142 lbs).... at 313 I couldn't fit into regular booths, and always asked for a table. now at 142, the booths I could fit in at 313, are uncomfortable for me now, as I am SO FAR AWAY from the table.
I haven’t been that large, but I’ve always been sensitive to my parents’ need for a table not a booth, etc. I’m smaller than I used to be, and what kinda freaks me out is the seats on rollercoasters. I took my 5to on a Disney one he was plenty tall enough for, but both of us had a good 1’ of space between us and the lap bar. I was bracing myself hard to not fly across the seat and bruise myself on the sides during sharp turns, while holding onto him for dear life (I’m sorry, a seat designed for 300lvs + just doesn’t accommodate someone 128 lbs with a 45lb child and let us feel safe).
The restaurant seats...I can deal with feeling like a kid, although if I were on a business lunch and trying to be taken seriously by a larger man while my feet dangled above the ground...that might bother me.9 -
I do have sympathy for obese people as I was once 280 lbs myself. But it was just this kind of thing, second guessing about chairs, being uncomfortable eating in front of people, feeling like an outcast in certain circumstances, not being able to join in with even normal activities, not being able to find nice clothes or look good in the ones I could find, that made me take a long look at myself and my lifestyle.
So I chose not to have to deal with those things anymore. Once I lost some of the weight I realised how much easier my life was (just putting on a pair of socks was now effortless) and determined not to go back. So those problems were the catalyst to me seeking a healthier lifestyle. If the world had changed to make me more comfortable about my size I would probably have carried on and eaten myself to 300, 400, lbs and an early grave.
Should we make an ATTEMPT to accommodate all shapes and sizes in public places absolutely but should obese people EXPECT to be accommodated everywhere? No.
The more we normalise obesity means there is even less incentive for people to make a change. This is only my opinion and I could well be proved wrong by statistical evidence.
Take smoking. (I am an off again on again smoker so know a bit about this) When I started smoking it was accepted everywhere. In the home, in public, in the work place. I can't remember any of my family or friends that didn't smoke. The outliers were non smokers, at that time anyway. We enabled each other by making it the norm. Restaurants, bars, clubs, offices, factories all provided ashtrays for us so we could kill ourselves in comfort and among friends.
When the law was changed to reflect the dangers and smokers were made to feel uncomfortable about the habit and not allowed to smoke in all the places where they had previously been able to, smoking reduced significantly. A lot more people made the change because they did not want to die and they did not want to be made to feel uncomfortable about their habit and excluded from public places. Now hardly any of my friends or family smoke and those that do are trying to quit.
Maybe this isn't the best comparison but it does show that disapproval of unhealthy lifestyles by society can make a difference, at least to the people who can accept a hard truth. And the hard truth with obesity is that it is unhealthy and is killing thousands and costing the health services massive amounts of money. Just like smoking, alcoholism and drug abuse. None of which is condoned in general society.
By making it the norm as a society we are not just accepting it we are actively enabling it.
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manderson27 wrote: »I do have sympathy for obese people as I was once 280 lbs myself. But it was just this kind of thing, second guessing about chairs, being uncomfortable eating in front of people, feeling like an outcast in certain circumstances, not being able to join in with even normal activities, not being able to find nice clothes or look good in the ones I could find, that made me take a long look at myself and my lifestyle.
So I chose not to have to deal with those things anymore. Once I lost some of the weight I realised how much easier my life was (just putting on a pair of socks was now effortless) and determined not to go back. So those problems were the catalyst to me seeking a healthier lifestyle. If the world had changed to make me more comfortable about my size I would probably have carried on and eaten myself to 300, 400, lbs and an early grave.
Should we make an ATTEMPT to accommodate all shapes and sizes in public places absolutely but should obese people EXPECT to be accommodated everywhere? No.
The more we normalise obesity means there is even less incentive for people to make a change. This is only my opinion and I could well be proved wrong by statistical evidence.
Take smoking. (I am an off again on again smoker so know a bit about this) When I started smoking it was accepted everywhere. In the home, in public, in the work place. I can't remember any of my family or friends that didn't smoke. The outliers were non smokers, at that time anyway. We enabled each other by making it the norm. Restaurants, bars, clubs, offices, factories all provided ashtrays for us so we could kill ourselves in comfort and among friends.
When the law was changed to reflect the dangers and smokers were made to feel uncomfortable about the habit and not allowed to smoke in all the places where they had previously been able to, smoking reduced significantly. A lot more people made the change because they did not want to die and they did not want to be made to feel uncomfortable about their habit and excluded from public places. Now hardly any of my friends or family smoke and those that do are trying to quit.
Maybe this isn't the best comparison but it does show that disapproval of unhealthy lifestyles by society can make a difference, at least to the people who can accept a hard truth. And the hard truth with obesity is that it is unhealthy and is killing thousands and costing the health services massive amounts of money. Just like smoking, alcoholism and drug abuse. None of which is condoned in general society.
By making it the norm as a society we are not just accepting it we are actively enabling it.
I appreciate your comment so much! Maybe not enabling heavy people WILL give.them incentive to change. But then there will always be those who think they can be 300 PLUS POUNDS AND STILL BE healthy...? Isnt that another thread around here somewhere??...🌹22
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