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I eat a keto diet...... Because I feel best on it (blood sugar issues)
I don't care how anyone else eats because it's none of my business
If we all stick to our personal calorie deficits we we all lose the weight we wish to as at the the end of the day a calorie deficit is all that matters in weight loss16 -
I gave you a woo for multiple reasons. Yes, I did read the entire article.The science/studies prove it. If you read this article in it's entirety you will see that a Keto/low carb high fat diet is the clear winner... perhaps this article alone can help you win the battle against unwanted pounds...
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets
1. Multiple assertions that the high carb groups were calorie restricted, but no mentions of how many calories the high fat group was eating. It might well have been fewer calories.
2. No mention of the several lbs of water weight lots of folks initially lose when beginning keto.
3. High carb is not synonymous with low fat. I eat plenty of both carbs and fats.
The exclusion of those bits calls the credibility into question for me.
Caloric intake does matter.
Yeah I went lower carb last month (above keto levels), and I lost 7lbs in a couple weeks. I'm already a lower weight though and it's just not physically possible that I lost a significant amount of fat in that time. Most of it had to be water whoosh. If I started eating a higher carb woe again most of it, if not all of it, would come right back.
Absolutely. I tried low carb a few years ago and had what I now know to be a massive water loss that first couple of weeks. I had no idea about actual fat loss back then, and my guess is that's exactly what 'studies' like this one bank on.
That said, I loved the menu lol, it just wasn't sustainable for me due to my greater love for carbs.
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I gave you a woo for multiple reasons. Yes, I did read the entire article.The science/studies prove it. If you read this article in it's entirety you will see that a Keto/low carb high fat diet is the clear winner... perhaps this article alone can help you win the battle against unwanted pounds...
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets
1. Multiple assertions that the high carb groups were calorie restricted, but no mentions of how many calories the high fat group was eating. It might well have been fewer calories.
2. No mention of the several lbs of water weight lots of folks initially lose when beginning keto.
3. High carb is not synonymous with low fat. I eat plenty of both carbs and fats.
The exclusion of those bits calls the credibility into question for me.
Caloric intake does matter.
Yeah I went lower carb last month (above keto levels), and I lost 7lbs in a couple weeks. I'm already a lower weight though and it's just not physically possible that I lost a significant amount of fat in that time. Most of it had to be water whoosh. If I started eating a higher carb woe again most of it, if not all of it, would come right back.
Absolutely. I tried low carb a few years ago and had what I now know to be a massive water loss that first couple of weeks. I had no idea about actual fat loss back then, and my guess is that's exactly what 'studies' like this one bank on.
That said, I loved the menu lol, it just wasn't sustainable for me due to my greater love for carbs.
My carb target is around 100g and I've found that gives me quite a bit of wiggle room. I still eat things like fruit, grains, ice cream and dairy, we eat out a couple times a week etc. I think a very low carb/keto woe would be challenging, over the long term, but once you start getting in the 75g+ range it gives room for a lot of different foods.
I've only been experimenting with lower carb for about a month, so way to early to tell if I'll stick with it long term, but I've found it surprisingly easy and I'm enjoying it so far 3 -
I gave you a woo for multiple reasons. Yes, I did read the entire article.The science/studies prove it. If you read this article in it's entirety you will see that a Keto/low carb high fat diet is the clear winner... perhaps this article alone can help you win the battle against unwanted pounds...
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets
1. Multiple assertions that the high carb groups were calorie restricted, but no mentions of how many calories the high fat group was eating. It might well have been fewer calories.
2. No mention of the several lbs of water weight lots of folks initially lose when beginning keto.
3. High carb is not synonymous with low fat. I eat plenty of both carbs and fats.
The exclusion of those bits calls the credibility into question for me.
Caloric intake does matter.
Yeah I went lower carb last month (above keto levels), and I lost 7lbs in a couple weeks. I'm already a lower weight though and it's just not physically possible that I lost a significant amount of fat in that time. Most of it had to be water whoosh. If I started eating a higher carb woe again most of it, if not all of it, would come right back.
Absolutely. I tried low carb a few years ago and had what I now know to be a massive water loss that first couple of weeks. I had no idea about actual fat loss back then, and my guess is that's exactly what 'studies' like this one bank on.
That said, I loved the menu lol, it just wasn't sustainable for me due to my greater love for carbs.
My carb target is around 100g and I've found that gives me quite a bit of wiggle room. I still eat things like fruit, grains, ice cream and dairy, we eat out a couple times a week etc. I think a very low carb/keto woe would be challenging, over the long term, but once you start getting in the 75g+ range it gives room for a lot of different foods.
I've only been experimenting with lower carb for about a month, so way to early to tell if I'll stick with it long term, but I've found it surprisingly easy and I'm enjoying it so far
Ah, that's a correction for me lol. I should have said "lower carb". Mine were in the same general ballpark as yours, and yes, it did make a world of difference. I don't think I would last long on pure keto. 1 -
OP, I've noticed your posts a lot over the last few days. All basically urging people to go keto. Why do you feel the need? If it's working for you, that's great but it seems like you're trying to gain converts 😁
Not only that but I’ve noticed that this poster never engages in discussion with people who wish to discuss/debate the points he or she is attempting to make. Just drops the assertions in a single post and doesn’t seem to return to the thread. I was hopeful that since this is a post and not just a comment that this time may be different because I too am interested to learn why some keto followers feel the need to assign magical benefits to the diet in order to convince others to try - without just posting facts and saying “it can be as good as any other diet if a person enjoys it and can stick with it, but it is not superior and/or necessary to achieve goals”.29 -
Oddly enough, keto/low carb high fat diets have been around for decades, have been followed by tens of millions of people, and yet most all of them are still overweight. (or dead).
Do you have any evidence to back that up or is it just a sweeping statement based on your own opinion? I find it difficult to believe that you have evidence to suggest that 10 million people over the span of the last 100 years (diet introduced in the 1920's).
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What's NOT reported is WHAT TYPE OF WEIGHT is lost. Low carbers/keto dieters carry less water in their bodies overall versus those who consume more carbs. It takes 4 grams of water to store 1 gram of carb in the cells, so obviously the less carbs one consumes, the less water they need for storage. Also ketogenic diets actually affect the muscle mass you keep because the protein one consumes is the main source to help create glucose in the body.
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Actually I believe it states the fat loss was usually visceral fat and the muscle loss wasn't considered as long as you were not overeating on your protein levels. I think they also pointed out that this diet is geared more to overweight people and people who have weight related health issues. Not everybody is trying to lose weight and gain muscle16 -
The negativity to keto here scares me a bit. I’ve lost almost 50 lbs so far on a keto like plan. I say keto like because I do keep fats a little low to keep in my calorie goal. Reading some of these comments makes me worry you feel it is impossible to keep the weight off. When I reach maintenance, If I keep logging and staying in calorie range, will I not be able to maintain?
Yes...if you keep logging and staying at maintenance you will be able to maintain. The reason people are sometimes negative about keto is not keto itself it is statements by some ketoers that it is the only way that you can lose weight. People are different. We all react to things differently even a way of eating.
I couldn't do keto because there are many times that if I eat too much fat I don't feel well for a few days. I love pizza but the last time that I ate it I was sick for 2 days...too much fat.
I personally am all for eating to your preferences. If your chosen way brings you the results then I am happy for you. How you eat doesn't affect my life.
Pizza on a keto diet? No, that's not how it works and I suspect that people think that if they start eating mountains of cheese, pepperoni and bacon they will lose weight on a keto diet...well that may be true but pizza contains mostly unhealthy fat and is still loaded with carbs (the crust). The key is healthy fats...
If you eat pizza on a keto diet, it's not keto.28 -
The negativity to keto here scares me a bit. I’ve lost almost 50 lbs so far on a keto like plan. I say keto like because I do keep fats a little low to keep in my calorie goal. Reading some of these comments makes me worry you feel it is impossible to keep the weight off. When I reach maintenance, If I keep logging and staying in calorie range, will I not be able to maintain?
Yes...if you keep logging and staying at maintenance you will be able to maintain. The reason people are sometimes negative about keto is not keto itself it is statements by some ketoers that it is the only way that you can lose weight. People are different. We all react to things differently even a way of eating.
I couldn't do keto because there are many times that if I eat too much fat I don't feel well for a few days. I love pizza but the last time that I ate it I was sick for 2 days...too much fat.
I personally am all for eating to your preferences. If your chosen way brings you the results then I am happy for you. How you eat doesn't affect my life.
Pizza on a keto diet? No, that's not how it works and I suspect that people think that if they start eating mountains of cheese, pepperoni and bacon they will lose weight on a keto diet...well that may be true but pizza contains mostly unhealthy fat and is still loaded with carbs (the crust). The key is healthy fats...
If you eat pizza on a keto diet, it's not keto.
Not surprisingly, you seem to have had a reading comprehension fail on that post.23 -
WinoGelato wrote: »OP, I've noticed your posts a lot over the last few days. All basically urging people to go keto. Why do you feel the need? If it's working for you, that's great but it seems like you're trying to gain converts 😁
Not only that but I’ve noticed that this poster never engages in discussion with people who wish to discuss/debate the points he or she is attempting to make. Just drops the assertions in a single post and doesn’t seem to return to the thread. I was hopeful that since this is a post and not just a comment that this time may be different because I too am interested to learn why some keto followers feel the need to assign magical benefits to the diet in order to convince others to try - without just posting facts and saying “it can be as good as any other diet if a person enjoys it and can stick with it, but it is not superior and/or necessary to achieve goals”.
Another person who missed the point. The information provided showed Keto as a potentially better way of dropping weight for those who are obese or have weight related health issues.
I see a lot of posts from people just starting out who need help and I thought this post may be useful. Instead I'm getting slammed for posting my opinion. I will likely not come back to this board because this whole thread has gotten too negative and it seems that many users simply don't like an opinion other than their own.27 -
The negativity to keto here scares me a bit. I’ve lost almost 50 lbs so far on a keto like plan. I say keto like because I do keep fats a little low to keep in my calorie goal. Reading some of these comments makes me worry you feel it is impossible to keep the weight off. When I reach maintenance, If I keep logging and staying in calorie range, will I not be able to maintain?
Yes...if you keep logging and staying at maintenance you will be able to maintain. The reason people are sometimes negative about keto is not keto itself it is statements by some ketoers that it is the only way that you can lose weight. People are different. We all react to things differently even a way of eating.
I couldn't do keto because there are many times that if I eat too much fat I don't feel well for a few days. I love pizza but the last time that I ate it I was sick for 2 days...too much fat.
I personally am all for eating to your preferences. If your chosen way brings you the results then I am happy for you. How you eat doesn't affect my life.
Pizza on a keto diet? No, that's not how it works and I suspect that people think that if they start eating mountains of cheese, pepperoni and bacon they will lose weight on a keto diet...well that may be true but pizza contains mostly unhealthy fat and is still loaded with carbs (the crust). The key is healthy fats...
If you eat pizza on a keto diet, it's not keto.
I’m not keto but I’ve seen lots of keto friendly pizza recipes advocates here - cauliflower crust, fathead pizza, etc.
I usually think if it’s pizza on a keto diet it’s not really pizza but just wanted to confirm that your view of what people should and shouldn’t be eating seems to be narrow enough that it wouldn’t even fly with many keto advocates...
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cmriverside wrote: »The negativity to keto here scares me a bit. I’ve lost almost 50 lbs so far on a keto like plan. I say keto like because I do keep fats a little low to keep in my calorie goal. Reading some of these comments makes me worry you feel it is impossible to keep the weight off. When I reach maintenance, If I keep logging and staying in calorie range, will I not be able to maintain?
Yes...if you keep logging and staying at maintenance you will be able to maintain. The reason people are sometimes negative about keto is not keto itself it is statements by some ketoers that it is the only way that you can lose weight. People are different. We all react to things differently even a way of eating.
I couldn't do keto because there are many times that if I eat too much fat I don't feel well for a few days. I love pizza but the last time that I ate it I was sick for 2 days...too much fat.
I personally am all for eating to your preferences. If your chosen way brings you the results then I am happy for you. How you eat doesn't affect my life.
Pizza on a keto diet? No, that's not how it works and I suspect that people think that if they start eating mountains of cheese, pepperoni and bacon they will lose weight on a keto diet...well that may be true but pizza contains mostly unhealthy fat and is still loaded with carbs (the crust). The key is healthy fats...
If you eat pizza on a keto diet, it's not keto.
Not surprisingly, you seem to have had a reading comprehension fail on that post.
He did didn't he!6 -
The negativity to keto here scares me a bit. I’ve lost almost 50 lbs so far on a keto like plan. I say keto like because I do keep fats a little low to keep in my calorie goal. Reading some of these comments makes me worry you feel it is impossible to keep the weight off. When I reach maintenance, If I keep logging and staying in calorie range, will I not be able to maintain?
Yes...if you keep logging and staying at maintenance you will be able to maintain. The reason people are sometimes negative about keto is not keto itself it is statements by some ketoers that it is the only way that you can lose weight. People are different. We all react to things differently even a way of eating.
I couldn't do keto because there are many times that if I eat too much fat I don't feel well for a few days. I love pizza but the last time that I ate it I was sick for 2 days...too much fat.
I personally am all for eating to your preferences. If your chosen way brings you the results then I am happy for you. How you eat doesn't affect my life.
Pizza on a keto diet? No, that's not how it works and I suspect that people think that if they start eating mountains of cheese, pepperoni and bacon they will lose weight on a keto diet...well that may be true but pizza contains mostly unhealthy fat and is still loaded with carbs (the crust). The key is healthy fats...
If you eat pizza on a keto diet, it's not keto.
Re-read the post you're quoting, it doesn't say what you thought it said.9 -
WinoGelato wrote: »OP, I've noticed your posts a lot over the last few days. All basically urging people to go keto. Why do you feel the need? If it's working for you, that's great but it seems like you're trying to gain converts 😁
Not only that but I’ve noticed that this poster never engages in discussion with people who wish to discuss/debate the points he or she is attempting to make. Just drops the assertions in a single post and doesn’t seem to return to the thread. I was hopeful that since this is a post and not just a comment that this time may be different because I too am interested to learn why some keto followers feel the need to assign magical benefits to the diet in order to convince others to try - without just posting facts and saying “it can be as good as any other diet if a person enjoys it and can stick with it, but it is not superior and/or necessary to achieve goals”.
Another person who missed the point. The information provided showed Keto as a potentially better way of dropping weight for those who are obese or have weight related health issues.
I see a lot of posts from people just starting out who need help and I thought this post may be useful. Instead I'm getting slammed for posting my opinion. I will likely not come back to this board because this whole thread has gotten too negative and it seems that many users simply don't like an opinion other than their own.
Nothing wrong with sharing what's working for you. However, you titled the thread in a misleading way, as is your op. Following keto does not automatically mean that someone doesn't have to pay attention to calories or portion sizes. And fat is not highly filling for some people-macros ratios are highly individualized and what ratio has high satiety levels for one person, will be completely different for someone else.
I hang out on another forum and there's a lot of keto/LCHF followers there. Many of them continue to struggle with their weight, many of them for years. It's a bit sad reading through some of their threads, they're so devoted to a lower carb way of eating, but haven't figured out that they still need to be at the correct calorie deficit for their weight loss goals.
eta: OP, I'd spend some time searching through the boards, there's quite a few posts by people who've tried Keto/very low carb and have dropped it. It might be enlightening for you to read some of their experiences with this style of eating.
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WinoGelato wrote: »OP, I've noticed your posts a lot over the last few days. All basically urging people to go keto. Why do you feel the need? If it's working for you, that's great but it seems like you're trying to gain converts 😁
Not only that but I’ve noticed that this poster never engages in discussion with people who wish to discuss/debate the points he or she is attempting to make. Just drops the assertions in a single post and doesn’t seem to return to the thread. I was hopeful that since this is a post and not just a comment that this time may be different because I too am interested to learn why some keto followers feel the need to assign magical benefits to the diet in order to convince others to try - without just posting facts and saying “it can be as good as any other diet if a person enjoys it and can stick with it, but it is not superior and/or necessary to achieve goals”.
Another person who missed the point. The information provided showed Keto as a potentially better way of dropping weight for those who are obese or have weight related health issues.
I see a lot of posts from people just starting out who need help and I thought this post may be useful. Instead I'm getting slammed for posting my opinion. I will likely not come back to this board because this whole thread has gotten too negative and it seems that many users simply don't like an opinion other than their own.
There is some serious irony in the bolded section. The problem is, you just admitted that this was your opinion, yet your original post suggests that it is fact. As others have pointed out, there are some very serious flaws in what you are suggesting. If keto works for you, then great, but the reason it works for you is because you are in a caloric deficit. Many people(including myself) have been successful in achieving a deficit without cutting any specific foods from their diet. I love carbs. They are delicious and fuel my workouts and I don't find it necessary to limit them. I have been in maintenance for over two years and my WOE has been sustainable and enjoyable. Keto would be neither of those things, so your statement that it is the superior WOE is most definitely not true for all people.
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The science/studies prove it. If you read this article in it's entirety you will see that a Keto/low carb high fat diet is the clear winner... perhaps this article alone can help you win the battle against unwanted pounds...
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets
Same offer stills stands: " I'll give you $5 if you can link on out of that list that controls protein so they're equated between diets and tracks fat loss to avoid the keto water loss."6 -
The science/studies prove it. If you read this article in it's entirety you will see that a Keto/low carb high fat diet is the clear winner... perhaps this article alone can help you win the battle against unwanted pounds...
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets
Did I get lost and wind up on a religious forum somehow?15 -
Keto/low carb would not be a clear winner for me - I like carbs and I would never adhere to it for long enough to make any progress.
Success is not defined in lab conditions ( my understanding is that article didnt even claim that, OP just interpreted it as doing so) but in how well something works in real life over real time.
Sure, for some people that real success is in eating keto - but for many more it is not.5 -
So far for me, Keto seems to be working for me. -- I have tried multiple idea, multiple ways, but the difference for me now verses in the past is the Sugar intake. Now that I have removed 95% of the sugar from my diet, I seem to be losing weight quicker then I have before.
On a different note,
I think the reason why people gain the weight back after they hit their goal, is because they didn't learn how to eat. If my TDEE is at 2200 kal and I diet at 1500 kal Aren't I supposed to keep adding 100 calories per week, until I get readjusted to eating normal portion?4
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