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Commander_Keen wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »emmamoly2019 wrote: »Morning everyone!
I need some help please?
MFP has set my calorie intake at 1200. When I input my calorie burn, it adds it to the amount of calories I need to eat.
I'm a little confused! If I have my full 1200 calories a day but go to the gym and burn 800 calories, do I need to then make sure I eat those calories again?
I thought I needed a calorie deficit, so burn more calories than I eat?
If some one could help me that would be amazing 😊
listen to your body. If you need to eat, then eat. if you don't then don't.
Some people do, some people don't.
So you think eating 1200 and burning off 700-900 cals is a good idea?
Many of the signs of under fueling your body don’t show up for months. It’s not as simple as “listen to your body” when the adverse effects are things like loss of lean body mass, bone density, hair loss, brittle nails, fatigue and sallow skin...
OP you’re on the right track. As active as you are you need to fuel that activity.
Another reason "Listen to your body" isn't best advice first off - it's a foreign language - and most people are on MFP because they've been hearing it wrong for years.
And even after reaching maintenance and testing the waters, have discovered they still hear their body wrong and need to keep calorie counting for who knows how long.
They herd their body clearly, they choose incorrectly. They opted for a 1500 kal dinner and not a 500 kal dinner
What absolute rubbish.
I can't hear my body clearly. If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat? Trust me I don't choose to feel painful, unignorable hunger pangs after I've had a snack. Nor do those hunger pangs come from my body, though they feel pretty darn' physical.
My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established. Are you really going to tell me that you know better than I do how my body and my mind work?9 -
Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
"If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
We all made the same decision to eat the entire box of pasta and Coke / Pepsi with out putting real thought to what we should eat
So again if her body feels the need to eat then she should eat and make good decisions.
If her body doesn't need to eat, and the she eats something that is piss poor, she will be at her current weight.18 -
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Commander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals.What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?8 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal
As everybody states, a carb is a carb no matter where it comes from,
So if a person is hungry, allow them to have plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal.
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Commander_Keen wrote: »
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald mealCommander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Can you please learn how to quote and reply without jamming your text together with the text you're replying to?
And you are once again ignoring my repeated point: when I feel 'hungry' it has nothing to do with my body.
Let me state that again: my feelings of hunger are not signals from my body. Can you understand that simple concept?10 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald mealCommander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Can you please learn how to quote and reply without jamming your text together with the text you're replying to?
And you are once again ignoring my repeated point: when I feel 'hungry' it has nothing to do with my body.
Let me state that again: my feelings of hunger are not signals from my body. Can you understand that simple concept?
O.k -- If you say so.
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emmamoly2019 wrote: »Morning everyone!
I need some help please?
MFP has set my calorie intake at 1200. When I input my calorie burn, it adds it to the amount of calories I need to eat.
I'm a little confused! If I have my full 1200 calories a day but go to the gym and burn 800 calories, do I need to then make sure I eat those calories again?
I thought I needed a calorie deficit, so burn more calories than I eat?
If some one could help me that would be amazing 😊
1200 calories per day is your deficit without exercise. Burning 800 calories in a gym session would be a pretty substantial session in the gym and could be inflated...but, only eating 1200 and burning 800 would give you a net calorie intake of only 400 calories which is pretty much the same thing as only eating 400 calories. Does that sound remotely healthy to you?
Your body needs calories (energy) to function. You burn a *kitten* ton of calories merely existing. Not providing your body with adequate energy will ultimately result in your body shutting down "non-essential" function like growing hair, nails turning brittle, loss of menstrual cycle, etc in order to conserve energy.2 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal
As everybody states, a carb is a carb no matter where it comes from,
So if a person is hungry, allow them to have plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal.
Eating a chicken salad is no more helpful than a McDonalds meal if it leads to overeating. People can overeat any kind of food and gain weight. You also don't seem to grasp that some people have a psychological struggle with hunger cues which means that logging is far more effective than listening to their body.
Not that this has anything at all to do with the OPs post - the OP is under-eating if not eating back her exercise calories so advising her to "listen to their body" might result in them continuing to under eat and run the risk of hormone and health problems, which is pretty stupid advice.13 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald mealCommander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Can you please learn how to quote and reply without jamming your text together with the text you're replying to?
And you are once again ignoring my repeated point: when I feel 'hungry' it has nothing to do with my body.
Let me state that again: my feelings of hunger are not signals from my body. Can you understand that simple concept?
O.k -- If you say so.
Thankyou. I'm genuinely glad that you've taken that information on board. I hope you find it explains a few things.2 -
@tinkerbellang83 - You can gain weight by over eating anything. But -- How much plain salad w/chicken would one have to consume to get over weight.
" also don't seem to grasp that some people have a psychological struggle with hunger cues which means that logging is far more effective than listening to their body." Please choose to eat crap.
show me one person who became overweight, because they had too many apples, or chicken, or fish. That they ate only 3200 Kal of, veggies and protien
Its not the hunger cues thats the issue, its what you put in your body.
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Commander_Keen wrote: »@tinkerbellang83 - You can gain weight by over eating anything. But -- How much plain salad w/chicken would one have to consume to get over weight.
" also don't seem to grasp that some people have a psychological struggle with hunger cues which means that logging is far more effective than listening to their body." Please choose to eat crap.
show me one person who became overweight, because they had too many apples, or chicken, or fish. That they ate only 3200 Kal of, veggies and protien
who spends their entire life eating only plain fruit, vegetables and chicken though? no sauce? no topping? your body needs fat, easy to go a bit overboard on those. your body needs carbs, you can easily eat too big a portion of rice. small portion of dessert can pack a huge number of calories even "healthy clean" ones.
sorry if the average human isn't as good as you at eating plain basic "healthy" foods 100% of the time and excel at listening to their bodies. most of us just muddle along.9 -
And that's the point -- we just muddle along and make bad decisions, and that's why were are here.
We eat an entire box of pasta, we have a 1500 calorie drink from Starbucks, a Happy meal, a box of pasta, day in and day out. Not because of miss reading our hunger cues.
Chicken and Beef has tons of fat12 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal
As everybody states, a carb is a carb no matter where it comes from,
So if a person is hungry, allow them to have plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal.
idk. i lost 20lb or so eating a mcchicken on a regular basis and fries and nuggets. sometimes the mcchicken has lower calories than some salads and the fat keeps me more satiated than the salad ever would10 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »And that's the point -- we just muddle along and make bad decisions, and that's why were are here.
We eat an entire box of pasta, we have a 1500 calorie drink from Starbucks, a Happy meal, a box of pasta, day in and day out. Not because of miss reading our hunger cues.
maybe some people.
many of us ate normal foods with only occasional splurges using at social outings. weight gain is often slow overtime. eating 250 calories more a day on average. there is no way our hunger cues can be so accurate to stop that unless we also use some other tools.
Some people naturally keep a steady healthy weight. some people never need to lose weight. Some people may have been obese at one point but got it under control and then learned to listen to their body. but this is a small portion of people. in today's society few of us will ever get to that point and thus learn other ways to manage our weight and ensure we don't over (or under) eat.
also a happy meal can completely be within one's daily calorie allowance and thus not cause any weight gain even if eaten daily.
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Simple example of how listening to the body can fool someone if they don't understand the language - hence it being foreign until you learn it.
The person that hears the advice to eat many small meals a day - and they make them healthy, fruits, vegetables, whole grain, milk-related, ect. But that's all they've heard and really know about nutrition.
This is far from far-fetched level of knowledge for many - they've heard and remember a few pointers over the years.
Their snacks are small 150-250 calories - high carb content since what they've heard.
About 45-60 min after each snack - they feel very hungry so they eat their next snack even though it was for another 1-2 hrs out.
They have no idea about the spike to insulin and then resulting low-blood sugar they receive, making them feel hungry well before they really need to eat.
Making it very difficult to maintain that method - perhaps ultimately failing by some amount as more snacks are eaten.
The other easy example is taking a steep deficit, and after a short bit not feeling hungry.
Not realizing the body has likely slowed them down in daily activity, and perhaps some high level metabolism functions - so they are actually burning less daily than before - no wonder not hungry. Not a good sign though.4 -
I got to the overweight position that I am in because I used to get up in the morning and have a cup of tea then go to work and eat nothing until I returned home at 6 or 7pm ... I still wasn't hungry and could easily have 'listened' to my body but my head knew that I needed fuel so I ate. Thirty minutes after eating I felt hungry and spent the rest of the evening eating anything and everything because I 'listened' to my hungry body that had just been woken up.
After many, many years I realised I was wrong and substituted the evening binges with only healthier options. The crisps and fatty snacks were gone and I had replaced them with low fat yoghurts and fruit and energy bars. I was still fat and the hunger remained so I continued to eat!
Now I listen in a different way. My body still says it doesn't want to eat but I ignore it and have breakfast, even if it is only a banana. I have lunch, maybe a sandwich or salad or fruit. I eat an evening meal and find that the constant feelings of hunger in the evening has become less.
I, in effect, retrained, or am in the process of retraining, my body to rethink its messages. I started this change about a month ago and I am feeling a difference already. I could have continued to listen to my body and got no where. It wasn't the foods that I was eating; it was the wrong messages my body was giving.
Now, I'm off for that chocolate biscuit. Only kidding!
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Commander_Keen wrote: »And that's the point -- we just muddle along and make bad decisions, and that's why were are here.
We eat an entire box of pasta, we have a 1500 calorie drink from Starbucks, a Happy meal, a box of pasta, day in and day out. Not because of miss reading our hunger cues.
Beef, chicken, creamer, milk, cheese..
Other people are here because they went through phases where they don't receive proper hunger cues which cause them to not eat enough and become underweight. So that happens too.4 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »@tinkerbellang83 - You can gain weight by over eating anything. But -- How much plain salad w/chicken would one have to consume to get over weight.
" also don't seem to grasp that some people have a psychological struggle with hunger cues which means that logging is far more effective than listening to their body." Please choose to eat crap.
show me one person who became overweight, because they had too many apples, or chicken, or fish. That they ate only 3200 Kal of, veggies and protien
Its not the hunger cues thats the issue, its what you put in your body.
Oh. You completely ignored everything I said in favour of your own unsupported prejudices after all.
Well, OK then. You just carry on being wrong, if it makes you happy. And I'll just carry on being right, since it's made me thin
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Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal
As everybody states, a carb is a carb no matter where it comes from,
So if a person is hungry, allow them to have plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal.
idk. i lost 20lb or so eating a mcchicken on a regular basis and fries and nuggets. sometimes the mcchicken has lower calories than some salads and the fat keeps me more satiated than the salad ever would
Ahh.. So you listen to your body when you were hungry and you stopped when you body said so. -- Interesting.2
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