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Commander_Keen wrote: »@tinkerbellang83 - You can gain weight by over eating anything. But -- How much plain salad w/chicken would one have to consume to get over weight.
" also don't seem to grasp that some people have a psychological struggle with hunger cues which means that logging is far more effective than listening to their body." Please choose to eat crap.
show me one person who became overweight, because they had too many apples, or chicken, or fish. That they ate only 3200 Kal of, veggies and protien
Its not the hunger cues thats the issue, its what you put in your body.
Oh. You completely ignored everything I said in favour of your own unsupported prejudices after all.
Well, OK then. You just carry on being wrong, if it makes you happy. And I'll just carry on being right, since it's made me thin
And people lost weight by getting on the Keto diet and changing the food options that they ate. Are they wrong?
Hmmmmm?
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Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal
As everybody states, a carb is a carb no matter where it comes from,
So if a person is hungry, allow them to have plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal.
idk. i lost 20lb or so eating a mcchicken on a regular basis and fries and nuggets. sometimes the mcchicken has lower calories than some salads and the fat keeps me more satiated than the salad ever would
Did you lose weight on that, or was it CICO type of diet? ....1 -
Hi! I Agree with a lot of what has been said. And congrats on the loss, that’s amazing!!
Personally I listen to my body. There are days where I only eat around 800 calories but then eat 2000 a few days later. As long as your net calories consumed for the week are less than calories lost then you will lose weight.
My average is probably 1300 cal per day.2 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »@tinkerbellang83 - You can gain weight by over eating anything. But -- How much plain salad w/chicken would one have to consume to get over weight.
" also don't seem to grasp that some people have a psychological struggle with hunger cues which means that logging is far more effective than listening to their body." Please choose to eat crap.
show me one person who became overweight, because they had too many apples, or chicken, or fish. That they ate only 3200 Kal of, veggies and protien
Its not the hunger cues thats the issue, its what you put in your body.
Oh. You completely ignored everything I said in favour of your own unsupported prejudices after all.
Well, OK then. You just carry on being wrong, if it makes you happy. And I'll just carry on being right, since it's made me thin
And people lost weight by getting on the Keto diet and changing the food options that they ate. Are they wrong?
Hmmmmm?
Sorry, did you mean this as a reply to me? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with anything I've said.3 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal
As everybody states, a carb is a carb no matter where it comes from,
So if a person is hungry, allow them to have plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal.
idk. i lost 20lb or so eating a mcchicken on a regular basis and fries and nuggets. sometimes the mcchicken has lower calories than some salads and the fat keeps me more satiated than the salad ever would
Did you lose weight on that, or was it CICO type of diet? ....
CICO isn’t a diet it’s an energy balance equation. It’s extremely simple and because of that, is elegant. If you eat less calories than you burn you will lose weight. If you eat more calories than you burn you will gain weight.
Your assumptions about how you think people became over weight and how simple it should be to resolve it is the exact opposite. There are myriad complex circumstances that are very individualized as to why people struggle to achieve and maintain a healthy weight for the bulk of their life. Boiling everything down to “listening to body hunger cues, make healthy choices, don’t eat crap” takes no consideration for the psychological and mental aspects of diet and health. That is what many people struggle with and those mental aspects can then have an adverse effect on physical bodily cues as well.
Your situation may have been a simple fix but how much weight have you lost and how long have you kept it off for?
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emmamoly2019 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Yes you should eat them. MFP is a NEAT calculator meaning it calculates a calorie goal independent of any exercise you would do. If you don’t exercise at all, and eat at the calorie target MFP provides you should lose weight at the rate you selected over time. When you exercise you are meant to log and eat back those calories so that you NET 1200. In your scenario, if you burn 800 cals and eat 1200 you are netting 400 cals which is far too low.
That said - a couple of points.
Some people find the exercise calorie burn estimates to be inflated so they often start by eating back 50-75% and monitoring progress to ensure it’s accurate for them. In your case 800 is a lot - what sort of exercise are you doing and where did you get the number from?
1200 is the lowest recommended calorie amount for women and most people don’t need to go that low in order to lose. What are your stats? How much weight are you trying to lose? What rate of loss did you choose?
Read the stickied most helpful forum posts at the top of the getting started section they have a wealth of information.
Thank you for replying .
I started my weightloss journey last year and so I've lost 6 1/2 stone (87 lbs) I did this by going to the gym 6 days a week and eating low fat food/cutting rubbish out.
My weightloss has slowed down now (I knew it would) so I've decided to calorie count. I've put my stats into MFP and they've said 1200 cals a day. I go to the gym 4 days a week now and burn approx 750-900 calories. I have a active job and walk a few miles a day
So, following your advice, I need to up my calories on the days I go to the gym?
Thank you again for your reply, it's very much appreciated
Emma
I want to get back to the OP for a moment. I just want to be sure you've set your activity level on MFP properly because I was under the impression that it wouldn't set a calorie goal as low as 1200 if you have an active activity level? It might be worth double-checking your settings just to be sure.3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal
As everybody states, a carb is a carb no matter where it comes from,
So if a person is hungry, allow them to have plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal.
idk. i lost 20lb or so eating a mcchicken on a regular basis and fries and nuggets. sometimes the mcchicken has lower calories than some salads and the fat keeps me more satiated than the salad ever would
Did you lose weight on that, or was it CICO type of diet? ....
CICO isn’t a diet it’s an energy balance equation. It’s extremely simple and because of that, is elegant. If you eat less calories than you burn you will lose weight. If you eat more calories than you burn you will gain weight.
Your assumptions about how you think people became over weight and how simple it should be to resolve it is the exact opposite. There are myriad complex circumstances that are very individualized as to why people struggle to achieve and maintain a healthy weight for the bulk of their life. Boiling everything down to “listening to body hunger cues, make healthy choices, don’t eat crap” takes no consideration for the psychological and mental aspects of diet and health. That is what many people struggle with and those mental aspects can then have an adverse effect on physical bodily cues as well.
Your situation may have been a simple fix but how much weight have you lost and how long have you kept it off for?
Please provide one example of a "myriad complex circumstances" and a "psychological and mental aspects" that would force a person to so much crap food that they become over weight?8 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal
As everybody states, a carb is a carb no matter where it comes from,
So if a person is hungry, allow them to have plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal.
idk. i lost 20lb or so eating a mcchicken on a regular basis and fries and nuggets. sometimes the mcchicken has lower calories than some salads and the fat keeps me more satiated than the salad ever would
Did you lose weight on that, or was it CICO type of diet? ....
CICO isn’t a diet it’s an energy balance equation. It’s extremely simple and because of that, is elegant. If you eat less calories than you burn you will lose weight. If you eat more calories than you burn you will gain weight.
Your assumptions about how you think people became over weight and how simple it should be to resolve it is the exact opposite. There are myriad complex circumstances that are very individualized as to why people struggle to achieve and maintain a healthy weight for the bulk of their life. Boiling everything down to “listening to body hunger cues, make healthy choices, don’t eat crap” takes no consideration for the psychological and mental aspects of diet and health. That is what many people struggle with and those mental aspects can then have an adverse effect on physical bodily cues as well.
Your situation may have been a simple fix but how much weight have you lost and how long have you kept it off for?
Please provide one example of a "myriad complex circumstances" and a "psychological and mental aspects" that would force a person to so much crap food that they become over weight?
48 cals extra/day above maintenance will lead to a 5lb weight gain per year... do that for 10 years that is 50lbs with only eating slightly more, it doesn't take crap food to add 48 cals to your day.10 -
48 cals extra/day above maintenance will lead to a 5lb weight gain per year... do that for 10 years that is 50lbs with only eating slightly more, it doesn't take crap food to add 48 cals to your day.
You can gain wait from anything... provided you ate to your TDEE to a T.
but show me one person, that gain 50lbs over 10 years from eating an apple, or chicken
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Commander_Keen wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »Since every "body" is the same according to some
When one's body says feed me do they choose the milkshake @1500 calories, or the 1500kal meal or do they choose, the 4/8/12 oz chicken/fish.
"My body's signals are subtle (tiredness and indecision) and easily overlooked. My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established." Question , if you are already overweight, then you will always be overweight?
Listening to what I thought were my body's signals resulted in my being morbidly obese for thirty years, yes. You know how I lost all that weight? By ignoring those signals. --- And you don't think you could have had the
same result by making better food decisions?What I am saying, There are people who are hungry, they don't go for the 1500 kal meal, they go for
cheese/fish/meat/ protein shake
What I am saying is that this requires people to be able to accurately tell whether they're hungry and what they need. Many people can't.
Hunger and need are two different thing... People don't need a Mcdonalds meal, they choose to eat it."If I heard my body clearly, do you think I would binge eat" Again, why didn't you binge eat on fish/chicken/plain salad. Who fed the body the milkshake?. You heard your body correctly and clearly you choose something that was quick and easy and filled with calories and not something like celery. tuna, or something else.
Why are you assuming that this had anything to do with signals from my body?
Yes. from what you just said, Yes.
"My mind's signals are powerful and impossible to go against once established"
Your body stated it needed food. Your mind stated, let me eat an entire box of pasta.
You choose to do that.
...and if my body actually did signal a genuine need for energy, why do you think it would be a good idea to give it things that provided almost none?
Better to give that body - Plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal
As everybody states, a carb is a carb no matter where it comes from,
So if a person is hungry, allow them to have plain salad w/chicken than a McDonald meal.
idk. i lost 20lb or so eating a mcchicken on a regular basis and fries and nuggets. sometimes the mcchicken has lower calories than some salads and the fat keeps me more satiated than the salad ever would
Did you lose weight on that, or was it CICO type of diet? ....
CICO isn’t a diet it’s an energy balance equation. It’s extremely simple and because of that, is elegant. If you eat less calories than you burn you will lose weight. If you eat more calories than you burn you will gain weight.
Your assumptions about how you think people became over weight and how simple it should be to resolve it is the exact opposite. There are myriad complex circumstances that are very individualized as to why people struggle to achieve and maintain a healthy weight for the bulk of their life. Boiling everything down to “listening to body hunger cues, make healthy choices, don’t eat crap” takes no consideration for the psychological and mental aspects of diet and health. That is what many people struggle with and those mental aspects can then have an adverse effect on physical bodily cues as well.
Your situation may have been a simple fix but how much weight have you lost and how long have you kept it off for?
Please provide one example of a "myriad complex circumstances" and a "psychological and mental aspects" that would force a person to so much crap food that they become over weight?
Depression.
Anxiety.
Obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Eating disorders.
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[quote="SuzySunshine99;
Please provide one example of a "myriad complex circumstances" and a "psychological and mental aspects" that would force a person to so much crap food that they become over weight? [/quote]
Depression.
Anxiety.
Obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Eating disorders.
[/quote]
Your right, all these will force me to finish
an XL pizza.
a Box of Ice cream
have 3 1500 Kal drinks from star bucks.
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Commander_Keen wrote: »
48 cals extra/day above maintenance will lead to a 5lb weight gain per year... do that for 10 years that is 50lbs with only eating slightly more, it doesn't take crap food to add 48 cals to your day.
You can gain wait from anything... provided you ate to your TDEE to a T.
but show me one person, that gain 50lbs over 10 years from eating an apple, or chicken
is that all you eat, apples and chicken? think most of us have a varied diet and for those that don't count calories, eating 48 cals of healthy food is easy to do. and with such a slow rate of gain, it can "sneak" up on you. or if you eat like you always did, but become slightly less active.2 -
is that all you eat, apples and chicken? think most of us have a varied diet and for those that don't count calories, eating 48 cals of healthy food is easy to do. and with such a slow rate of gain, it can "sneak" up on you. or if you eat like you always did, but become slightly less active.
No, its an extreme example.
I would love to meet a few people who is on this board that is here, because they ate too much protein, or veggies
Can you also show me, a person who kept to their TDEE average via weekly or monthly. And what is the likeliness of that occurring.
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Commander_Keen wrote: »
is that all you eat, apples and chicken? think most of us have a varied diet and for those that don't count calories, eating 48 cals of healthy food is easy to do. and with such a slow rate of gain, it can "sneak" up on you. or if you eat like you always did, but become slightly less active.
No, its an extreme example.
I would love to meet a few people who is on this board that is here, because they ate too much protein, or veggies
Can you also show me, a person who kept to their TDEE average via weekly or monthly. And what is the likeliness of that occurring.
I didn't say they keep tdee weekly/monthly, just for most people, they don't track calories, making it very easy to go over maintenance and gain weight over time1 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »
is that all you eat, apples and chicken? think most of us have a varied diet and for those that don't count calories, eating 48 cals of healthy food is easy to do. and with such a slow rate of gain, it can "sneak" up on you. or if you eat like you always did, but become slightly less active.
No, its an extreme example.
I would love to meet a few people who is on this board that is here, because they ate too much protein, or veggies
Can you also show me, a person who kept to their TDEE average via weekly or monthly. And what is the likeliness of that occurring.
your entire argument is false. you have only two options:
- ate only vegetables fruit and lean protein
- overat mcdonalds and desserts
most people are totally in the middle. they ate a mostly balanced diet but overate maybe 100-250 calories a week slooowly gaining weight over years.9 -
I think we are moving away from the original discussion
If the OP was only eating 400 calories ( provided her information was correct) I stated that she should eat if she felt hungry.. while others said don't tell her that.
The conversation turned into how does one get overweight. By over eating..Now the question is by what?
Why are all of us here? By over eating crap food or by eating healthy?
Pick your conversation and stick with it.5 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »I think we are moving away from the original discussion
If the OP was only eating 400 calories ( provided her information was correct) I stated that she should eat if she felt hungry.. while others said don't tell her that.
The conversation turned into how does one get overweight. By over eating..Now the question is by what?
Why are all of us here? By over eating crap food or by eating healthy?
Pick your conversation and stick with it.
And that is the issue... assuming her info is correct, she should eat more whether she is hungry or not!7 -
[quote="Panini911;
your entire argument is false. you have only two options:
- ate only vegetables fruit and lean protein
- overat mcdonalds and desserts
most people are totally in the middle. they ate a mostly balanced diet but overate maybe 100-250 calories a week slooowly gaining weight over years.[/quote]
Not sure if that is correct either, because you still have your body burning energy at rest (sleep)
Its very likely its more than 250 calories a week.
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Commander_Keen wrote: »[quote="Panini911;
your entire argument is false. you have only two options:
- ate only vegetables fruit and lean protein
- overat mcdonalds and desserts
most people are totally in the middle. they ate a mostly balanced diet but overate maybe 100-250 calories a week slooowly gaining weight over years.
Not sure if that is correct either, because you still have your body burning energy at rest (sleep)
Its very likely its more than 250 calories a week.
[/quote]
Your TDEE includes all the calories you burn just being alive. That includes sleeping, supporting bodily functions, day to day activity and exercise. The point being made is that many people (myself included) became overweight because the balance tipped slowly toward CI > CO. That’s usually a combination of a little too much energy intake (again doesn’t have to be a diet of exclusively crap food can be a moderate diet of home cooked healthy meals plus restaurant meals plus treats plus whatever makes up a person’s diet) and a little less activity (over time many people become more sedentary as day to day life commitments get in the way)
The point is that all of that is how many of us ended up here, not because we ate a diet exclusively of pizza and ice cream. I personally ate a little too much of all kinds of food and was a little less active in my 30s than I had been before. Next thing I knew I was 25 lbs overweight, but it didn’t happen overnight.
Understanding energy balance is what enabled me to lose the excess and keep it off, while still enjoying the same foods I ate while gaining weight, just slightly less of them. Plus increasing my activity level so that even as a petite female with a desk job my TDEE when active is >2000 cals per day. Much like the OP, if I was eating 1200 I would be underfueling my body. So yes, she needs to eat more, get a handle on her CICO and likely she will overcome the challenges she’s had in the past.
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Commander_Keen wrote: »And that's the point -- we just muddle along and make bad decisions, and that's why were are here.
We eat an entire box of pasta, we have a 1500 calorie drink from Starbucks, a Happy meal, a box of pasta, day in and day out. Not because of miss reading our hunger cues.
maybe some people.
many of us ate normal foods with only occasional splurges using at social outings. weight gain is often slow overtime. eating 250 calories more a day on average. there is no way our hunger cues can be so accurate to stop that unless we also use some other tools.
Some people naturally keep a steady healthy weight. some people never need to lose weight. Some people may have been obese at one point but got it under control and then learned to listen to their body. but this is a small portion of people. in today's society few of us will ever get to that point and thus learn other ways to manage our weight and ensure we don't over (or under) eat.
also a happy meal can completely be within one's daily calorie allowance and thus not cause any weight gain even if eaten daily.
My weight gain was gradual over three decades, eating an average of 25 calories a day over maintenance.
And contrary to @Commander_Keen 's vision, I never ate a box of pasta in one sitting, never had a 1500-calorie drink at Starbuck's (I drink black coffee, black espresso, and occasionally nonfat lattes), and never ate a Happy meal in my life.
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