"Four terms that make dietitians cringe" - Why we say what we do on these boards
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missblondi2u wrote: »I didn't get to read the entire article because I hit a pay wall, but I'm curious as to whether hydrogenated oil would be a "bad" food. Not saying all calories aren't equal, but I do consider foods with hydrogenated oil bad, but maybe I've been misinformed.
No, they didn't make any specific determinations of foods to be considered bad, which would kind of defeat the point. They are not saying that some foods are not more nutritious than others, but that morally labeling them is counter productive.11 -
Clean drives me crazy because someone will always make a joke about dirty food... oops.4
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missblondi2u wrote: »I didn't get to read the entire article because I hit a pay wall, but I'm curious as to whether hydrogenated oil would be a "bad" food. Not saying all calories aren't equal, but I do consider foods with hydrogenated oil bad, but maybe I've been misinformed.
No, they didn't make any specific determinations of foods to be considered bad, which would kind of defeat the point. They are not saying that some foods are not more nutritious than others, but that morally labeling them is counter productive.
Thanks. That makes sense, because how can foods have morals
I'm a big advocate of enjoying the foods you like within your calorie budget, but hydrogenated oil is the one thing I police strictly as my understanding is that it is bad for you, not because it is less nutritious than other oils, but because it is plain unhealthy and probably shouldn't be in food in the first place. 4 -
But somewhere along the way, “carb” has become synonymous with unhealthy. That is a big problem, because many of the most healthful foods in the world are rich in carbohydrates.
“I’m asked if fruit is bad because it’s a ‘carb’ at least once per week,” wrote Marjorie Nolan Cohn, owner of MNC Nutrition and spokeswoman for the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics. “The fact that people, who are trying to do right by their heath, actually question if fruit is bad for them is a window into how distorted our society’s view of food is.”
Wendy Lopez, co-founder of the online platform Food Heaven Made Easy, cringes when she hears people say carbs are bad for you. “People think they’re eating healthier by cutting down on carbohydrates,” she said. “However, carbohydrates are in so many nutritious and tasty foods. Aside from bread, pasta and grains, carbs can also be found in nuts, fruits, vegetables, legumes, and more! Carbohydrates provide our bodies with fuel, nutrition, and satisfaction.”
I had to highlight this point as it makes me sad. Not only is fruit nutritious but it tastes so delicious. I'd be in misery if I had to eliminate it from my diet and it saddens me when so many do thinking they will be healthier as a result.
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A restaurant just opened in my town called "Eat Clean" (Healthy Grill and Juice bar) and I thought, I damn hope its a clean restaurant or get shut down by public health! Good concept. Bad name.6
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"With ingredients you can pronounce."
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wannabeskinnycat wrote: »wannabeskinnycat wrote: »Brilliant.
I'm often asked if I'm 'carbing down'? And do I feel guilty when I have a naughty snack?
Arrrgggghhhh
I'm eating clean in that I wash fruit and veggies before I eat them
I do also try to not eat food if I've dropped it on the floor, at least if it goes past the 5 seconds rule. So I guess I clean eat too
Haha I did the 5 second rule in work a few weeks ago and stood back up to see horrified faces. Mightn't have been so bad if I hadn't said it out loud. Errr I've got 5 seconds to put it in the bin ....
I work in a hospital. No way in hell I'm eating anything that falls on the floor.
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"With ingredients you can pronounce."
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I highly doubt the 5 second rule eliminates any bacteria and I'm not certain it sterilises the food either. I wouldn't salvage anything sticky or fluffy. Obvs I agree with you Ann, I survived playing outdoors when I was a child. I grew up on a traditional dairy farm (not a warehouse of cows that don't see the sun) so probably encountered scary germs and was exposed to bacteria by the millions. There was lit *kitten* everywhere Maybe that's how I'm able to survive eating food within the 5 seconds.
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What i find funny is often the places that are most "healthy" and "clean" have fewer lower calorie options. This one place has nothing under 420 and is a LUNCH place (and that is one option at 420 most are 600+). They even have a disclaimer on their nutrition guide justifying it saying it's good clean fats and healthy clean foods. Yeah but i still have to meet my calorie goals
I mean yes you can pay $15 and start removing everything from your salad or sandwhich but i'll just hit a less clean place and pay half the price and get the same thing if i do that.5 -
Perhaps a better idea instead of good or bad would be foods with a stop light attached. Foods in the green category, eat all you want. Unlikely you are going to eat so much kale and water to adversely impact your weight goals.
Chocolate donuts would be in the red category. Doesn't mean you don't eat them, it means you stop and consider where they fit into your eating plan. Maybe you have one instead of a package of 6 at one sitting.
Foods are not good or bad, but they bring too much of one thing and not enough of another.
As someone who has to limit carbs based on doctor's orders, if I'm eating a carb, it better come with some protein and fats as well. The fats are not that hard to get. Protein on the other hand...
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Love the first post.
On other matters, I didn't know anyone asserted the 5 second rule as if it were actually serious. I thought it was understood as a jokey way to defend still eating foods that fall on the floor (no, really, it's okay!). It's similar to how we used to joke (when I first started a job with lots of work-related food events) that if it's free it must not have calories. (No one actually believed that.) So I think it's amusing that it's been officially debunked.
I usually will eat it anyway, though, so long as it doesn't ruin the food (obv no on is eating stew that's been spilled on the floor), and it's my own floor.5 -
wannabeskinnycat wrote: »wannabeskinnycat wrote: »Brilliant.
I'm often asked if I'm 'carbing down'? And do I feel guilty when I have a naughty snack?
Arrrgggghhhh
I'm eating clean in that I wash fruit and veggies before I eat them
I do also try to not eat food if I've dropped it on the floor, at least if it goes past the 5 seconds rule. So I guess I clean eat too
Haha I did the 5 second rule in work a few weeks ago and stood back up to see horrified faces. Mightn't have been so bad if I hadn't said it out loud. Errr I've got 5 seconds to put it in the bin ....
Nah, eat it (whether +/- 5 seconds) and tell the bystanders you're doing it to "increase the diversity of your gut microbiome".
Besides, immune systems with too little productive work to do tend to start doing counterproductive things . . . .
I'm not a fan of the "hey it is great to expose yourself to random germs and viruses" philosophy in eating things after they come into contact with surfaces where people walk - that residue left from someone's shoes after stepping in dog crap or standing in a puddle in front of the urinal actually don't qualify as vaccinations, lol.7 -
Bry_Fitness70 wrote: »wannabeskinnycat wrote: »wannabeskinnycat wrote: »Brilliant.
I'm often asked if I'm 'carbing down'? And do I feel guilty when I have a naughty snack?
Arrrgggghhhh
I'm eating clean in that I wash fruit and veggies before I eat them
I do also try to not eat food if I've dropped it on the floor, at least if it goes past the 5 seconds rule. So I guess I clean eat too
Haha I did the 5 second rule in work a few weeks ago and stood back up to see horrified faces. Mightn't have been so bad if I hadn't said it out loud. Errr I've got 5 seconds to put it in the bin ....
Nah, eat it (whether +/- 5 seconds) and tell the bystanders you're doing it to "increase the diversity of your gut microbiome".
Besides, immune systems with too little productive work to do tend to start doing counterproductive things . . . .
I'm not a fan of the "hey it is great to expose yourself to random germs and viruses" philosophy in eating things after they come into contact with surfaces where people walk - that residue left from someone's shoes after stepping in dog crap or standing in a puddle in front of the urinal actually don't qualify as vaccinations, lol.
So I needed more than 4 smiley/LOLs to make clear that was a joke, I guess?
Truthfully: I think people do themselves a disservice by being over-focused on avoiding microflora/fauna, disinfecting every surface, and so forth. But I wouldn't eat off most floors, either, if we're talking about things that can't be rinsed/washed.12 -
Love the first post.
On other matters, I didn't know anyone asserted the 5 second rule as if it were actually serious. I thought it was understood as a jokey way to defend still eating foods that fall on the floor (no, really, it's okay!). It's similar to how we used to joke (when I first started a job with lots of work-related food events) that if it's free it must not have calories. (No one actually believed that.) So I think it's amusing that it's been officially debunked.
I usually will eat it anyway, though, so long as it doesn't ruin the food (obv no on is eating stew that's been spilled on the floor), and it's my own floor.
Mythbusters debunked a lot of things that weren’t necessarily widely believed, and some things that were. It made for entertaining TV. I think there are people who put some faith in the five second rule, though. They seem to think the food can’t be *that* dirty if it only hit the floor for a second or two.
For what it’s worth, I’ll also generally eat something I dropped on my own floor. I have a cat; she inevitably graces every surface in my home, not just the floor 5 -
Assigning moral judgments to food is all or nothing thinking which can lead to all or nothing dieting for the rest of your life. Great insight. Calling yourself a really bad or naughty girl because you've eaten a piece of bread is talking about food in such childish terms.7
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What I don't understand is why we need to get all triggered and attach morals and emotions to what is a fairly reasonable categorization of foods based on how they affect the body and health. And I know it's difficult because most foods fall in the grey zone where they're fine in moderation and balance. But some foods are still objectively better or worse for you than others. It's like saying that breathing clean air somewhere in the Swiss mountains is better than the polluted air in a factory town in China. There's no moral value to it, you're not a less worthy person for breathing the factory smoke, it is just worse for your health, that is all. Consuming food with substances that are shown to be endocrine disrupters, for instance, is worse than not consuming them, and there's a reason many of these are banned in other countries but not US. I'm not talking about broccoli vs donuts; but things like hydrogenated oils like someone brought up, transfats, artificial sweeteners, flavorings and colors, BPA from plastic packaging, are things that add absolutely no benefit to the body, and could potentially be harmful even if it's not proven yet. There's no need to attach moral weight to it. Nicotine, caffeine, and alcohol also don't need to be in your body for the same reasons. That's not to say I'll give up my wine or coffee, but I just accept this as a risk-benefit decision I'm making for myself. I'm not going to suffer from guilt and self-loathing while drowning my shame in cup after cup of coffee just because I'm aware that it's not the healthiest thing. I don't know if the good-bad obsession is some sort of puritanical thing or what. Maybe people should just stop being so sensitive about these concepts.30
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I thought wine and coffee had been shown to have health benefits.
(thats the trouble with saying a food is healthy or unhealthy)13 -
wannabeskinnycat wrote: »
I'm eating clean in that I wash fruit and veggies before I eat them
Brilliant!6 -
Years ago I stopped going to WW because of the whole good/bad food thing.
I should make clear it wasn't anything official to do with the program, but the general chat in the weigh in queue at the start. These people going on about how awful they were because they ate a kit-kat on Tuesday....had a moment of clarity when I realized I was having a can of diet coke and a packet of low cal crisps for lunch, and quit. It was not helpful to me, and in many ways made me worse.
(I'm not knocking it for others, I know some find it very helpful)
These days it's much more about the nutrition, and reasonable, balanced choices.7
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