Maintenance studies
psychod787
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Interesting studies that show hormonal shifts after a year of maintenance. Lines up with what many people say about it getting easier after a year.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26976129
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31042670
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26976129
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31042670
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psychod787 wrote: »Interesting studies that show hormonal shifts after a year of maintenance. Lines up with what many people say about it getting easier after a year.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26976129
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31042670
@psychod787 Thank you!
Just spent a while chaining through several other “related” research studies.
I’m curious what your thinking/reading has led you to conclude re: macro percentages that best regulate our appetite in maintenance.
I also want to thank you for your posts about moving your final weight upwards. I’m still in the process of figuring it out, but I do seem to have more energy now with increased exercise & approx 2-3 more pounds. Still figuring it out.5 -
Oh & the article I found Re: my question above, recommended low fat to reduce hunger hormones. (Have you found that to be true?)
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MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »Oh & the article I found Re: my question above, recommended low fat to reduce hunger hormones. (Have you found that to be true?)
@psychod787
Not sure actually. The "healthy" nordic diet is very similar to the Mediterranean diet style. It emphasizes whole grain,fruit, veggies, low fat dairy, nuts, seeds, lean meats, and avoid many hyperprocessed foods. The "paleo" diet, yes people, I know the one being sold is not a true paleolithic diet, but is high in fruits and veggies, nuts seeds and also avoid most hyperprocessed foods. I suspect SOME of the hunger hormone improvements are dietary related. We suspect that glp1 is made by bacteria digesting fiber. Ppy is released from eating protein. Not sure why the GIP was only elevated in the "paleo" diet group. I also think some of the adaptation is the body finding a new set range. I am not sure if low fat or high fat is helpful honestly.6 -
psychod787 wrote: »MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »Oh & the article I found Re: my question above, recommended low fat to reduce hunger hormones. (Have you found that to be true?)
@psychod787
Not sure actually. The "healthy" nordic diet is very similar to the Mediterranean diet style. It emphasizes whole grain,fruit, veggies, low fat dairy, nuts, seeds, lean meats, and avoid many hyperprocessed foods. The "paleo" diet, yes people, I know the one being sold is not a true paleolithic diet, but is high in fruits and veggies, nuts seeds and also avoid most hyperprocessed foods. I suspect SOME of the hunger hormone improvements are dietary related. We suspect that glp1 is made by bacteria digesting fiber. Ppy is released from eating protein. Not sure why the GIP was only elevated in the "paleo" diet group. I also think some of the adaptation is the body finding a new set range. I am not sure if low fat or high fat is helpful honestly.
@psychod787
Thank you. There’s so much we don’t know yet!
I guess I eat “healthy Nordic.” Who knew?!1 -
Thanks for posting! I can remember feeling like my body was trying to fight me to put weight back on early on in maintenance.
I figured out little hacks like going to bed earlier, learning which exercises and activities made hungrier and which ones didn't and also I played around with my eating times and workout times.
I stayed strong and it eventually got easier and my body seemed to adapt.14 -
rainbow198 wrote: »Thanks for posting! I can remember feeling like my body was trying to fight me to put weight back on early on in maintenance.
I figured out little hacks like going to bed earlier, learning which exercises and activities made hungrier and which ones didn't and also I played around with my eating times and workout times.
I stayed strong and it eventually got easier and my body seemed to adapt.
True, all we hear in the media is DOOM and GLOOM! Sure you know my story, not going into it here, but I now believe that a newer set range can be achieved with a change in environment. IE food choices, exercise, sleep, stress. Best of luck @rainbow198 ! People like you give me hope!MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »Oh & the article I found Re: my question above, recommended low fat to reduce hunger hormones. (Have you found that to be true?)
@psychod787
Not sure actually. The "healthy" nordic diet is very similar to the Mediterranean diet style. It emphasizes whole grain,fruit, veggies, low fat dairy, nuts, seeds, lean meats, and avoid many hyperprocessed foods. The "paleo" diet, yes people, I know the one being sold is not a true paleolithic diet, but is high in fruits and veggies, nuts seeds and also avoid most hyperprocessed foods. I suspect SOME of the hunger hormone improvements are dietary related. We suspect that glp1 is made by bacteria digesting fiber. Ppy is released from eating protein. Not sure why the GIP was only elevated in the "paleo" diet group. I also think some of the adaptation is the body finding a new set range. I am not sure if low fat or high fat is helpful honestly.
@psychod787
Thank you. There’s so much we don’t know yet!
I guess I eat “healthy Nordic.” Who knew?!
After looking deeper into the studies @MadisonMolly2017 , what I noticed was a lack of adherence to the "healthy Nordic Diet" While the "Paleo" stayed closes to original dietary style. As far as GIP, first I thought it was the increased fat of the Paleo diet, but the researchers showed in increase outside of what was expected with the fat increase. To me, just N=1 here, is when people maintain a dietary style in "general" IE 80-90% of the time, they tend to have better maintenance of weight loss. Its when people find ways around their dietary style that *kitten* hits the fan. People argue, whole food keto, high carb vegan,paleo, low fat , ect. When one looks at the research as long as dietary adherence is maintained, people do far better. So, IMHO, high fat, low fat, its all personal preference.6 -
@rainbow198
Your post was very helpful to me, too. I am in that figuring out stage. Interestingly, I am
Finding earlier to bed is helping.
Did you see a pattern in which types of exercise made you hungrier? Any insights?
@psychod787
Helpful again. I don’t follow a Famous Diet. Just figured out what worked for me & my life. But in the past 2 months, it stopped working as well. This coincided with lower heart rate for same exercise-
I’ll figure it out. It’s just a puzzle - a moving puzzle!3 -
MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »@rainbow198
Your post was very helpful to me, too. I am in that figuring out stage. Interestingly, I am
Finding earlier to bed is helping.
Did you see a pattern in which types of exercise made you hungrier? Any insights?
@psychod787
Helpful again. I don’t follow a Famous Diet. Just figured out what worked for me & my life. But in the past 2 months, it stopped working as well. This coincided with lower heart rate for same exercise-
I’ll figure it out. It’s just a puzzle - a moving puzzle!
whats your story @MadisonMolly2017 ? How much have you lost? Starting weight? How long at that weight. As stated, I am a BELIEVER in a weight settle range. One can change it, but only to a point before we struggle. As far as a lowered HR its just a sign of fitness, or heart failure... sounds like the first one.0 -
@psychod787
Starting weight 228.3 on 1/1/16
Hit 155 on Thanksgiving 2018
Declared Maintenance 153 on 4/25/19
-75.3 pounds
Lowest weight 150.6 1/21/19 (was too hungry...)
5’8.5”-5’9”
63years
Yep, definitely fitness.
Weight 9/1/19 157.24 -
MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »@psychod787
Starting weight 228.3 on 1/1/16
Hit 155 on Thanksgiving 2018
Declared Maintenance 153 on 4/25/19
-75.3 pounds
Lowest weight 150.6 1/21/19 (was too hungry...)
5’8.5”-5’9”
63years
Yep, definitely fitness.
Weight 9/1/19 157.2MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »@psychod787
Starting weight 228.3 on 1/1/16
Hit 155 on Thanksgiving 2018
Declared Maintenance 153 on 4/25/19
-75.3 pounds
Lowest weight 150.6 1/21/19 (was too hungry...)
5’8.5”-5’9”
63years
Yep, definitely fitness.
Weight 9/1/19 157.2
I think some regain IS natural. The more we lose, the greater the amount. As a percentage, about the same.2 -
MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »@rainbow198
Your post was very helpful to me, too. I am in that figuring out stage. Interestingly, I am
Finding earlier to bed is helping.
Did you see a pattern in which types of exercise made you hungrier? Any insights?
@MadisonMolly2017 - That's great! For me walking, bodyweight exercises, using resistance bands, Pilates and yoga does not make me hungry at all. So I can do these activities in the morning fasted or at night without any hunger problems afterwards.
Running, lifting weights, aerobics, HIIT and plyometrics makes me super hungry so I make sure to do these workouts before having a meal.psychod787 wrote: »
True, all we hear in the media is DOOM and GLOOM! Sure you know my story, not going into it here, but I now believe that a newer set range can be achieved with a change in environment. IE food choices, exercise, sleep, stress. Best of luck @rainbow198 ! People like you give me hope!
@psychod787 - Yes I do remember reading your story, glad I can give you hope!2 -
rainbow198 wrote: »MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »@rainbow198
Your post was very helpful to me, too. I am in that figuring out stage. Interestingly, I am
Finding earlier to bed is helping.
Did you see a pattern in which types of exercise made you hungrier? Any insights?
@MadisonMolly2017 - That's great! For me walking, bodyweight exercises, using resistance bands, Pilates and yoga does not make me hungry at all. So I can do these activities in the morning fasted or at night without any hunger problems afterwards.
Running, lifting weights, aerobics, HIIT and plyometrics makes me super hungry so I make sure to do these workouts before having a meal.
This is really helpful. Now, looking at your lists & thinking of the past 5 months of small weight creep each month & after years of congruous loss. I just realized prior to April, I walked & hiked (a lot) & did stretches, resistance work, and very low wts for broken arm. My appetite was barely an issue (which I considered a miracle.)
Then began heavier weights, HIIT, and weight machines. And I noticed hunger showing up. (Which freaked me out.)
OK, I’m going to think about this. I am a lot stronger, but not as lean. My Doctor is thrilled w/ labs & weight/BMI. Told me to focus on health/strength.
Thanks again!1 -
Glad to hear! Good luck with everything and keep up the great work!MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »rainbow198 wrote: »MadisonMolly2017 wrote: »@rainbow198
Your post was very helpful to me, too. I am in that figuring out stage. Interestingly, I am
Finding earlier to bed is helping.
Did you see a pattern in which types of exercise made you hungrier? Any insights?
@MadisonMolly2017 - That's great! For me walking, bodyweight exercises, using resistance bands, Pilates and yoga does not make me hungry at all. So I can do these activities in the morning fasted or at night without any hunger problems afterwards.
Running, lifting weights, aerobics, HIIT and plyometrics makes me super hungry so I make sure to do these workouts before having a meal.
This is really helpful. Now, looking at your lists & thinking of the past 5 months of small weight creep each month & after years of congruous loss. I just realized prior to April, I walked & hiked (a lot) & did stretches, resistance work, and very low wts for broken arm. My appetite was barely an issue (which I considered a miracle.)
Then began heavier weights, HIIT, and weight machines. And I noticed hunger showing up. (Which freaked me out.)
OK, I’m going to think about this. I am a lot stronger, but not as lean. My Doctor is thrilled w/ labs & weight/BMI. Told me to focus on health/strength.
Thanks again!1
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