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Too much cardio is unnecessary for losing weight while lifting

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  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    edited October 2019
    Well, that wasn't as much cardio as I imagined you meant - 95 min weekly.
    And some lifting too you mentioned - which you probably noted doesn't count for as much (especially when divided by 7), but it does count and is highly beneficial for as you commented - keeping what ya got.
  • raven56706
    raven56706 Posts: 918 Member
    heybales wrote: »
    Well, that wasn't as much cardio as I imagined you meant - 95 min weekly.
    And some lifting too you mentioned - which you probably noted doesn't count for as much (especially when divided by 7), but it does count and is highly beneficial for as you commented - keeping what ya got.

    well, at first people convinced me to do my cardio on different days. so i configured my workouts to 1)do my 2 cardio rides on my off days(45 Minute and 30 minute ride) and 2)end my weight workouts with 10 minute cool down rides. (which means it is two 10 minute rides)
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    I'm confused which method you are following!
    TDEE or MyFitnessPal?
    If TDEE then why are you playing with MFP goal setting?
    (You did get the the exercise goal on MFP does nothing to your daily target I hope?)

    And no 95mins per week of "cardio" wouldn't be regarded as "too much", neither would workout sessions of 75 mins for the vast majority of people with some semblance of fitness.
  • raven56706
    raven56706 Posts: 918 Member
    sijomial wrote: »
    I'm confused which method you are following!
    TDEE or MyFitnessPal?
    If TDEE then why are you playing with MFP goal setting?
    (You did get the the exercise goal on MFP does nothing to your daily target I hope?)

    And no 95mins per week of "cardio" wouldn't be regarded as "too much", neither would workout sessions of 75 mins for the vast majority of people with some semblance of fitness.

    Not playing with MFP goal. i was showing how it was alittle different. Plus i calculated the number wrong because i am an idiot.

    I am going the TDEE route as (just like you said) is much easier to follow.

    That spreadsheet provided was super helpful.
  • mads_o86
    mads_o86 Posts: 43 Member
    edited October 2019
    The first rule of exercise should be: "The best form of exercise is the one you're going to actually do".

    I run three times a week. That's my main motivation for everything else. That's what I'm going to base everything around because the rest is just the gravy. All my goals are running based (2020 goal: 1000 miles)

    I need to fit everything around this and not tire out.

    I need some strength and stability exercises for the legs or I'm going to get injured. Doing that three times on non-running days makes zero sense because my legs would never get any recovery. Doing leg strength before running (as general wisdom suggests) makes zero sense because it would tire me out for running. If I'm tired form suffers and there's a bigger chance of an injury. So leg workouts are after running.

    Time comes into play on the three non-running days where I do upper body workouts. I also want to do non-weight bearing cardio to aid running (mostly for recovery).

    Warming up on the eliptical or stationary bike for 25 minutes takes care of the added cardio and warm-ups at the same time. Then I do my 25 minute heavy eccentric-based workout and can get out of the gym and to work in less than an hour in morning workouts. If I were to warm up properly before lifting in the morning it would take me forever.

    So just do what makes sense with your goals and schedule. I'm pretty sure that cardio before lifting is a LOT better that only doing one of them...
  • KrazyKrissyy
    KrazyKrissyy Posts: 322 Member
    edited November 2019
    When they say too much exercise hurts results, they're referring to water retention, cravings, mental health, etc. I used to exercise a lot (both weight lifting and cardio). My progress was masked by extreme water retention. My thighs swelled. My face puffed up. I got bloated. Went to the doctors. Got tests run. My cortisol levels were OFF THE CHARTS.

    My weight loss is more steady and food cravings are minimal when I don't exercise at all except light walking. Some bodies are highly susceptible to stress, and yes exercise can be a stressor. I only walk for now.
  • froggy77064
    froggy77064 Posts: 49 Member
    Back before life, work, and injuries shut me down. I did cardio everyday. Sometimes before weights and sometimes after. All depended on how hard I wanted to push myself each day. On leg days I only did about 30 minutes of light cardio max, to warm up my legs before lifting. Other days I would PUSH the Intensity of my cardio workout. I based my cardio on the body type I was going for and I wanted more of a sprinters body. Not that there’s anything wrong with a marathon runners body. In the 6 months I was able to maintain this workout regimen, I managed to lose 60lbs and was able to run 3 miles like it was nothing.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,982 Member
    mmapags wrote: »
    Excessive cardio impacts recovery and competes for nutrition resources. 30 minutes is not excessive cardio. Intensity can play a small role. The more intense, the more of an issue. But, basically it's a non-issue as you are describing it. Now if you were lifting and training for a 1/2 marathon? Could be a problem.

    Aside from all that, why not do the 30 minutes on the Peloton on a non lifting day? That would really be optimal. On the lifting day, warm up, lift with focus and intensity. On the next day put in a good Peloton ride.
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  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    Excessive cardio impacts recovery and competes for nutrition resources. 30 minutes is not excessive cardio. Intensity can play a small role. The more intense, the more of an issue. But, basically it's a non-issue as you are describing it. Now if you were lifting and training for a 1/2 marathon? Could be a problem.

    Aside from all that, why not do the 30 minutes on the Peloton on a non lifting day? That would really be optimal. On the lifting day, warm up, lift with focus and intensity. On the next day put in a good Peloton ride.
    This.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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    Lol! See. I was paying attention for all these years!
  • gaidiesr
    gaidiesr Posts: 13 Member
    Just a little confused on the post. Can I be doing too much? 30 minutes cardio / 1 hour resistance more reps than heavy weight/45 - 60 minutes swim. I do this daily M-F and Saturday Sunday I only swim for 1 hour. Been doing it for about 5 weeks and dropped only about 6 pounds. Someone told me its overdoing it. I do find its getting harder to keep it up daily but I'm pushing it as I have a target I'm hell bent and determined to meet. I eat well, good food, good balance, lots of water, but am staying well below my daily calorie target and have a weekly deficit of around 5000 calories. I'm thinking I may need to meet with a nutritionist and maybe a trainer to get set straight. Something seems to be amiss.
  • MT1134
    MT1134 Posts: 173 Member
    gaidiesr wrote: »
    Just a little confused on the post. Can I be doing too much? 30 minutes cardio / 1 hour resistance more reps than heavy weight/45 - 60 minutes swim. I do this daily M-F and Saturday Sunday I only swim for 1 hour. Been doing it for about 5 weeks and dropped only about 6 pounds. Someone told me its overdoing it. I do find its getting harder to keep it up daily but I'm pushing it as I have a target I'm hell bent and determined to meet. I eat well, good food, good balance, lots of water, but am staying well below my daily calorie target and have a weekly deficit of around 5000 calories. I'm thinking I may need to meet with a nutritionist and maybe a trainer to get set straight. Something seems to be amiss.

    The problem with this is "too much" for what?

    Depending on your goals, knowledge, training history, body type, and so much more...

    It's a vague question that is followed with a vague answer. The idea is to stimulate enough for adaptations but not too much that you're dampening your recovery.

    Are you following a progressive program or are you going at it on your own?
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,198 Member
    gaidiesr wrote: »
    Just a little confused on the post. Can I be doing too much? 30 minutes cardio / 1 hour resistance more reps than heavy weight/45 - 60 minutes swim. I do this daily M-F and Saturday Sunday I only swim for 1 hour. Been doing it for about 5 weeks and dropped only about 6 pounds. Someone told me its overdoing it. I do find its getting harder to keep it up daily but I'm pushing it as I have a target I'm hell bent and determined to meet. I eat well, good food, good balance, lots of water, but am staying well below my daily calorie target and have a weekly deficit of around 5000 calories. I'm thinking I may need to meet with a nutritionist and maybe a trainer to get set straight. Something seems to be amiss.

    If you're hitting the same muscle groups with the same weight exercises every day, that would definitely be suboptimal: Not enough recovery. Depending on your starting fitness and activity level, you may also not be getting enough recovery from the cardio/swimming, either, doing all of everything every day.

    That routine isn't inherently "too much" for anyone and everyone, but that's a fairly aggressive schedule, and fitness geneally is a gradual-build proposition, starting from wherever you may start fitness-wise and increasing duration/intensity/frequency as fitness increases. What's "too much" (maybe even impossible) for a beginner isn't "too much" for an elite, right?

    To some extent, age may also be a variable, too. I'm 64, and think we can achieve much more as we age than many people believe. However, I do find that for me - someone who's been quite active for the last 17 or so years - that I need a more well-thought-out recovery plan than I did when I was younger. I can still do whatever I want, but my resilience after overdoing is realistically just not as good as it was decades back. Rotating activities with different physical stresses involved is a better plan, for me, than hitting the same things relentlessly day after day.

    Recovery at whatever level is normal for you is also likely to be a little bit less when in a consistent calorie deficit, too.

    If you're targeting a 5000 calorie weekly cumulative deficit, and have lost 6 pounds in 5 weeks, you're pretty much right on, calorie-wise.

    How is your nutrition? That can play a bigger role in energy level and strength as the time under a calorie deficit gets longer. Do you routinely hit protein at 0.6-0.8g (or more) per pound of healthy goal weight? Fats at something in the 0.3-0.45g per pound of goal weight? Carbs sufficient for energy (how many to eat is very individual)? Getting plenty of varied, colorful veggies and fruits for micros and fiber? You can dial these in yourself, even before talking with a pro.

    In many places, anyone can call themselves a "nutritionist". Look for a "registered dietitican", i.e., someone with relevant academic degree(s).

    Best wishes!
  • jdh419
    jdh419 Posts: 65 Member
    raven56706 wrote: »
    I have seen this countless times. So just curious.

    say your goal is the lose weight and you are on a calorie deficit.

    If you are doing a 45 minute weight session, would another 30 minute Peloton ride be too much? Means now you are working out for 75 minutes.

    why is it too much cardio hurts your results or is it not that serious?

    I myself have seen better results when I do a 5-7 minute warmup on a cardio machine, then 30-60 minute weight training and stretching and then a 15 minute high intensity interval training on a cardio machine. Then on off days I jog/walk which gets my heart rate up to a steady level.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    gaidiesr wrote: »
    Just a little confused on the post. Can I be doing too much? 30 minutes cardio / 1 hour resistance more reps than heavy weight/45 - 60 minutes swim. I do this daily M-F and Saturday Sunday I only swim for 1 hour. Been doing it for about 5 weeks and dropped only about 6 pounds. Someone told me its overdoing it. I do find its getting harder to keep it up daily but I'm pushing it as I have a target I'm hell bent and determined to meet. I eat well, good food, good balance, lots of water, but am staying well below my daily calorie target and have a weekly deficit of around 5000 calories. I'm thinking I may need to meet with a nutritionist and maybe a trainer to get set straight. Something seems to be amiss.

    If you went from no exercise to this schedule, yes, it does sound like too much. 5 days a week on weights could also be too much, depending on the program - what's the program?

    You're losing just over a pound a week, which is probably a good pace - how much weight do you have to lose total?

    Possibly you haven't lost more weight because you are retaining water from all the exercise. But again, depending on how much you have to lose total, faster would not necessarily be better.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    edited January 2020
    gaidiesr wrote: »
    Just a little confused on the post. Can I be doing too much? 30 minutes cardio / 1 hour resistance more reps than heavy weight/45 - 60 minutes swim. I do this daily M-F and Saturday Sunday I only swim for 1 hour. Been doing it for about 5 weeks and dropped only about 6 pounds. Someone told me its overdoing it. I do find its getting harder to keep it up daily but I'm pushing it as I have a target I'm hell bent and determined to meet. I eat well, good food, good balance, lots of water, but am staying well below my daily calorie target and have a weekly deficit of around 5000 calories. I'm thinking I may need to meet with a nutritionist and maybe a trainer to get set straight. Something seems to be amiss.

    It sounds like overdoing it to me. There is a saying, "you can't outrun the fork". Exercise is great for health and it helps burn some calories but the primary vehicle for weight loss is calorie deficit.

    Faster is not better. Sustainable is the key. Don't push and be hell bent. The hierarchy: Sustainable calorie deficit, exercise, patience. You dropped more than a pound per week. Right on track based on your calorie deficit.

    That is a good sustainable rate but my concern is you are doing that through exercise and not diet control and the pace of your workouts will result in burnout at a certain point.

    There is nothing amiss other than your unrealistic expectations. How much do you have to lose?
  • mullanphylane
    mullanphylane Posts: 172 Member
    I'm not a scientist - rocket or otherwise - but if the goal of exercising is to lose weight, more is better. But it has to be done in a SAFE manner. Some folks can handle a lot of cardio on top of other exercises. Some can't. You have to know your own limits and don't push them too far at any given time.

  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,267 Member
    1. Exercise is for health and fitness Calorie deficit is for weight loss.
    2. Exercise can help with the calorie deficit.
    3. Most people do not "over do" it...it is actually pretty hard to get to the point of "over training" that will cause injury and damage.
    4. Don't use exercise as a permanent method of weight loss because there may come a time where you can't or don't want to exercise then what?


    I used to use exercise to lose weight but then I would get to a point where i just didn't want to do that much exercise and I would gain the weight back. I yo yo'd weight for a long time doing this until I started here.

    5 years in and I am maintaining my weight and still exercising.

    But the exercise isn't for anything other than staying heart/bone/muscle/organ health.

    I still maintain my eating habits learned to keep the weight off.

    PS weight lifting doesn't burn a lot of calories anyway...cardio does...I do both.
  • allother94
    allother94 Posts: 588 Member
    Correct. TOO MUCH cardio is unnecessary. However, the right amount of cardio IS necessary. Hope this helps...
  • asellitti6523
    asellitti6523 Posts: 37 Member
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    1. Exercise is for health and fitness Calorie deficit is for weight loss.
    2. Exercise can help with the calorie deficit.
    3. Most people do not "over do" it...it is actually pretty hard to get to the point of "over training" that will cause injury and damage.
    4. Don't use exercise as a permanent method of weight loss because there may come a time where you can't or don't want to exercise then what?


    I used to use exercise to lose weight but then I would get to a point where i just didn't want to do that much exercise and I would gain the weight back. I yo yo'd weight for a long time doing this until I started here.

    5 years in and I am maintaining my weight and still exercising.

    But the exercise isn't for anything other than staying heart/bone/muscle/organ health.

    I still maintain my eating habits learned to keep the weight off.

    PS weight lifting doesn't burn a lot of calories anyway...cardio does...I do both.[/quote]

    Totally disagree with that for a couple reasons. You can definitely arrange a weight lifting circuit with minimal rest periods that burns as much or more calories than traditional cardio machines or outdoor running. Even if you lift heavy and give longer rest periods to recover the benefit is more in the long run because your body is burning more calories at its rested state than it would be after a cardio session.

    I do agree with you that nutrition is paramount when it comes to seeing numbers decrease on the scale. Do I think that just doing traditional cardio coupled with a calorie deficit will help reduce body fat? Yes. Heck even just hitting the calorie deficit alone will lead to fat loss. Is just doing cardio or predominately doing cardio is the most optimal and efficient way to shed body fat? Scientifically no. The person that does more of a 70/30 Weight training/Cardio split is going to burn more calories overall than the person doing it the other way around. With all that said, the best approach is always finding the one you can stick with long term. If doing a 70/30 Weight/Cardio split is going to cause you to lose interest and stop coming to the gym then a 70/30 or even 100 percent cardio is the more optimal approach.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Totally disagree with that for a couple reasons. You can definitely arrange a weight lifting circuit with minimal rest periods that burns as much or more calories than traditional cardio machines or outdoor running. Even if you lift heavy and give longer rest periods to recover the benefit is more in the long run because your body is burning more calories at its rested state than it would be after a cardio session.

    I do agree with you that nutrition is paramount when it comes to seeing numbers decrease on the scale. Do I think that just doing traditional cardio coupled with a calorie deficit will help reduce body fat? Yes. Heck even just hitting the calorie deficit alone will lead to fat loss. Is just doing cardio or predominately doing cardio is the most optimal and efficient way to shed body fat? Scientifically no. The person that does more of a 70/30 Weight training/Cardio split is going to burn more calories overall than the person doing it the other way around. With all that said, the best approach is always finding the one you can stick with long term. If doing a 70/30 Weight/Cardio split is going to cause you to lose interest and stop coming to the gym then a 70/30 or even 100 percent cardio is the more optimal approach.

    @SezxyStef comments weren't in a vacuum as general advice - need to read the posts.

    You are describing circuit training where indeed keep the rest time down, therefore the weight lifted will be down, therefore the stimulus for muscle growth will be down - and you can indeed burn as much calories as some cardio sessions during that chunk of time.

    But that type of resistance training is usually not called weight lifting for a reason, neither in the databases of calorie burns, nor the articles about weight lifting.

    The extra calorie burn in the 24-48 hrs after a weight lifting session for repair & recovery is indeed something you wouldn't get from a cardio session (despite the much touted EPOC effect) - but it's not that great overall - and especially not in a deficit.

    Now lifters that were eating at deficit/maintenance and start bulking first time are often surprised how high they have to keep raising calories before they start weighing more, as their lifting improves and they discover just how much damage they can now cause as their program improves on the weight lifted. That's extra repair calories.
    But a program while in a deficit, except at very start for newbies, isn't going to be that meaningful.

    If you are speaking of muscle burning more than fat while at rest, the difference between 6 & 2 cal/lb/day isn't that meaningful either, it's your metabolic organs (liver, brain, ect) doing the vast majority of your base burn, besides the amount of muscle mass that can be gained in a deficit is again rather small if any.

    Several have indeed suggested the same wisdom of do what keeps you doing something, but for transforming body some resistance training is better than none, same for cardio of course some better than none.
  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,267 Member
    edited February 2020
    heybales wrote: »
    Totally disagree with that for a couple reasons. You can definitely arrange a weight lifting circuit with minimal rest periods that burns as much or more calories than traditional cardio machines or outdoor running. Even if you lift heavy and give longer rest periods to recover the benefit is more in the long run because your body is burning more calories at its rested state than it would be after a cardio session.

    I do agree with you that nutrition is paramount when it comes to seeing numbers decrease on the scale. Do I think that just doing traditional cardio coupled with a calorie deficit will help reduce body fat? Yes. Heck even just hitting the calorie deficit alone will lead to fat loss. Is just doing cardio or predominately doing cardio is the most optimal and efficient way to shed body fat? Scientifically no. The person that does more of a 70/30 Weight training/Cardio split is going to burn more calories overall than the person doing it the other way around. With all that said, the best approach is always finding the one you can stick with long term. If doing a 70/30 Weight/Cardio split is going to cause you to lose interest and stop coming to the gym then a 70/30 or even 100 percent cardio is the more optimal approach.

    @SezxyStef comments weren't in a vacuum as general advice - need to read the posts.

    You are describing circuit training where indeed keep the rest time down, therefore the weight lifted will be down, therefore the stimulus for muscle growth will be down - and you can indeed burn as much calories as some cardio sessions during that chunk of time.

    But that type of resistance training is usually not called weight lifting for a reason, neither in the databases of calorie burns, nor the articles about weight lifting.

    The extra calorie burn in the 24-48 hrs after a weight lifting session for repair & recovery is indeed something you wouldn't get from a cardio session (despite the much touted EPOC effect) - but it's not that great overall - and especially not in a deficit.

    Now lifters that were eating at deficit/maintenance and start bulking first time are often surprised how high they have to keep raising calories before they start weighing more, as their lifting improves and they discover just how much damage they can now cause as their program improves on the weight lifted. That's extra repair calories.
    But a program while in a deficit, except at very start for newbies, isn't going to be that meaningful.

    If you are speaking of muscle burning more than fat while at rest, the difference between 6 & 2 cal/lb/day isn't that meaningful either, it's your metabolic organs (liver, brain, ect) doing the vast majority of your base burn, besides the amount of muscle mass that can be gained in a deficit is again rather small if any.

    Several have indeed suggested the same wisdom of do what keeps you doing something, but for transforming body some resistance training is better than none, same for cardio of course some better than none.

    @heybales Not sure why I am mentioned here. I didn't bring up circuit training at all.

    I subscribe to the fact that for weight loss exercise is not necessary at all but it is good for health and fitness and that cardio and weights both have their place.

    And I subscribe to doing both...

    *shrugs* I did read all the posts...
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    edited February 2020
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    heybales wrote: »
    Totally disagree with that for a couple reasons. You can definitely arrange a weight lifting circuit with minimal rest periods that burns as much or more calories than traditional cardio machines or outdoor running. Even if you lift heavy and give longer rest periods to recover the benefit is more in the long run because your body is burning more calories at its rested state than it would be after a cardio session.

    I do agree with you that nutrition is paramount when it comes to seeing numbers decrease on the scale. Do I think that just doing traditional cardio coupled with a calorie deficit will help reduce body fat? Yes. Heck even just hitting the calorie deficit alone will lead to fat loss. Is just doing cardio or predominately doing cardio is the most optimal and efficient way to shed body fat? Scientifically no. The person that does more of a 70/30 Weight training/Cardio split is going to burn more calories overall than the person doing it the other way around. With all that said, the best approach is always finding the one you can stick with long term. If doing a 70/30 Weight/Cardio split is going to cause you to lose interest and stop coming to the gym then a 70/30 or even 100 percent cardio is the more optimal approach.

    @SezxyStef comments weren't in a vacuum as general advice - need to read the posts.

    You are describing circuit training where indeed keep the rest time down, therefore the weight lifted will be down, therefore the stimulus for muscle growth will be down - and you can indeed burn as much calories as some cardio sessions during that chunk of time.

    But that type of resistance training is usually not called weight lifting for a reason, neither in the databases of calorie burns, nor the articles about weight lifting.

    The extra calorie burn in the 24-48 hrs after a weight lifting session for repair & recovery is indeed something you wouldn't get from a cardio session (despite the much touted EPOC effect) - but it's not that great overall - and especially not in a deficit.

    Now lifters that were eating at deficit/maintenance and start bulking first time are often surprised how high they have to keep raising calories before they start weighing more, as their lifting improves and they discover just how much damage they can now cause as their program improves on the weight lifted. That's extra repair calories.
    But a program while in a deficit, except at very start for newbies, isn't going to be that meaningful.

    If you are speaking of muscle burning more than fat while at rest, the difference between 6 & 2 cal/lb/day isn't that meaningful either, it's your metabolic organs (liver, brain, ect) doing the vast majority of your base burn, besides the amount of muscle mass that can be gained in a deficit is again rather small if any.

    Several have indeed suggested the same wisdom of do what keeps you doing something, but for transforming body some resistance training is better than none, same for cardio of course some better than none.

    @heybales Not sure why I am mentioned here. I didn't bring up circuit training at all.

    I subscribe to the fact that for weight loss exercise is not necessary at all but it is good for health and fitness and that cardio and weights both have their place.

    And I subscribe to doing both...

    *shrugs* I did read all the posts...

    I quoted someone else that quoted you (well, they screwed up the quote method so it doesn't appear as normal quote). I was responding to them.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    I like to keep things simple...

    Resistance training for strength, muscles and bone density.
    Cardio for heart, lungs and endurance.
    Energy deficit for fat loss.
  • magnusthenerd
    magnusthenerd Posts: 1,207 Member
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    1. Exercise is for health and fitness Calorie deficit is for weight loss.
    2. Exercise can help with the calorie deficit.
    3. Most people do not "over do" it...it is actually pretty hard to get to the point of "over training" that will cause injury and damage.
    4. Don't use exercise as a permanent method of weight loss because there may come a time where you can't or don't want to exercise then what?


    I used to use exercise to lose weight but then I would get to a point where i just didn't want to do that much exercise and I would gain the weight back. I yo yo'd weight for a long time doing this until I started here.

    5 years in and I am maintaining my weight and still exercising.

    But the exercise isn't for anything other than staying heart/bone/muscle/organ health.

    I still maintain my eating habits learned to keep the weight off.

    PS weight lifting doesn't burn a lot of calories anyway...cardio does...I do both.

    Totally disagree with that for a couple reasons. You can definitely arrange a weight lifting circuit with minimal rest periods that burns as much or more calories than traditional cardio machines or outdoor running. Even if you lift heavy and give longer rest periods to recover the benefit is more in the long run because your body is burning more calories at its rested state than it would be after a cardio session.
    Totally disagree with this for two reason: First, a 400lb squat, 1 rep, burns about 1 kCal. I don't think anyone circuit trains with 400lb levels of squats.
    Second, while not determined, it seems that around the point of something that's less than 45% of 1rm, or more than 30 repeatable reps, something will no longer cause the kind of stimulus that leads to hypertrophy - it is cardiovascular work.
    Sure, those could be using weights, but I think they get away from the idea of what anyone means by weight lifting as synonymous with resistance training. It would be like calling wearing ankle weights or weighted vests to jog weight training.
    The calorie burn of muscle is often overstated. A pound of muscle uses around 6 calories a day per pound and fat uses about 2. So if a person gains a pound of muscle, and loses a pound of fat, they're probably using a whole 4 calories more per day. A whole year of training to gain 10 pounds? 40 calories a day, without assuming the person's weight has gone down.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    1. Exercise is for health and fitness Calorie deficit is for weight loss.
    2. Exercise can help with the calorie deficit.
    3. Most people do not "over do" it...it is actually pretty hard to get to the point of "over training" that will cause injury and damage.
    4. Don't use exercise as a permanent method of weight loss because there may come a time where you can't or don't want to exercise then what?


    I used to use exercise to lose weight but then I would get to a point where i just didn't want to do that much exercise and I would gain the weight back. I yo yo'd weight for a long time doing this until I started here.

    5 years in and I am maintaining my weight and still exercising.

    But the exercise isn't for anything other than staying heart/bone/muscle/organ health.

    I still maintain my eating habits learned to keep the weight off.

    PS weight lifting doesn't burn a lot of calories anyway...cardio does...I do both.[/quote]

    Totally disagree with that for a couple reasons. You can definitely arrange a weight lifting circuit with minimal rest periods that burns as much or more calories than traditional cardio machines or outdoor running. Even if you lift heavy and give longer rest periods to recover the benefit is more in the long run because your body is burning more calories at its rested state than it would be after a cardio session.

    I do agree with you that nutrition is paramount when it comes to seeing numbers decrease on the scale. Do I think that just doing traditional cardio coupled with a calorie deficit will help reduce body fat? Yes. Heck even just hitting the calorie deficit alone will lead to fat loss. Is just doing cardio or predominately doing cardio is the most optimal and efficient way to shed body fat? Scientifically no. The person that does more of a 70/30 Weight training/Cardio split is going to burn more calories overall than the person doing it the other way around. With all that said, the best approach is always finding the one you can stick with long term. If doing a 70/30 Weight/Cardio split is going to cause you to lose interest and stop coming to the gym then a 70/30 or even 100 percent cardio is the more optimal approach.

    When people talk about weight lifting, they're not talking about circuit training. Circuit training is an endurance training method and is more cardiovascular in nature than traditional weight lifting where ample rest is required for recovery to perform the next set and weight becomes progressively heavier over time.
  • tbright1965
    tbright1965 Posts: 852 Member
    Not quite.

    Eat for weight control.

    Exercise for fitness and flexibility.

    As was alluded to before, you cannot outwork your fork.

    So unless the exercises you have in mind are table push backs and fork put downs, it's the calorie content of the food you eat that determines your weight.
    I'm not a scientist - rocket or otherwise - but if the goal of exercising is to lose weight, more is better. But it has to be done in a SAFE manner. Some folks can handle a lot of cardio on top of other exercises. Some can't. You have to know your own limits and don't push them too far at any given time.