Getting rid of skinny fat syndrome

I’m a 5’8 148 pound distance runner, and I’ve recently started weight training and eating more protein to overcome being “skinny fat”. Anyone else have any issues with this? Even though I peaked at 68 miles a week for marathon training, my body still has a high level of body fat compared to muscle. Any advice would be appreciated!
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  • traumanurse870
    traumanurse870 Posts: 18 Member
    Aim for 1-1.3g protein per lb of body weight per day. Do compound weight lifting exercises like squats, deadlift, bench press, overhead press. Operate in a 500 calorie surplus to gain muscle weight, then operate in a 500 calorie deficit to trim off a little fat. If you track your macros you've got an advantage on 90% of the people at the gym, you just have to modify your approach a little. You can put on some muscle and still be an endurance athlete.

    How long should bulking and cutting periods be?
  • giancarlov1191
    giancarlov1191 Posts: 493 Member
    I initially lost about 40lbs with low calories and long distance running. I was the epitome of skinny fat because I did not pay attention to building or retaining muscle. You'll likely have to do a bulk now, followed by a cut that prioritizes muscle retention.
  • jhawkins16
    jhawkins16 Posts: 29 Member
    I’ll keep you guys updated on the next 4 weeks. I’ve heard people have success with IF and a low carbohydrate/high protein diet. Apparently the science is behind on IF as I’ve seen it make me look more defined without changing my caloric intake. I lifted 3 times this week so considering it’s my first week back into it that’s not bad. Looks like only 40 miles this week in terms of mileage. I’m following Matt Fitzgerald’s 80/20 level 3 heart rate 5k plan currently.
  • giancarlov1191
    giancarlov1191 Posts: 493 Member
    ^ Having a defined objective (and patience) is so important. If you are inexperienced with weight lifting, you can benefit greatly from a dedicated bulking phase. I would cut the cardio down make lifting the primary objective.
  • jhawkins16
    jhawkins16 Posts: 29 Member
    I’ll try to lift on days I have lower mileage. Today just called for 35 minutes in zone 2 so I did a mini back and bicep workout afterwards since my muscles can not handle a lot of sets yet.
  • jhawkins16
    jhawkins16 Posts: 29 Member
    It’s just frustrating since I’m at a normal weight and I burn 500 plus calories per day, yet I look like I do not train at all and just look slender.
  • jhawkins16
    jhawkins16 Posts: 29 Member
    And I can run a 5:30 mile (not the best I know but I didn’t run track in high school and started from nothing so it’s good for me, yet some dude that eats junk food and lifts everyday is shredded but can’t run a sub 25 minute 5k. It’s demotivating.
  • jhawkins16
    jhawkins16 Posts: 29 Member
    Anyway, I probably need to give some background. I think this all started when I nu4avwl0m2ts.png
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    lost 60 pounds within a 2 month time span a couple years age (I weighed 220 pounds) by cutting my intake down to 1,200 cal a day. Ever since then I think the constant going in and out of being in a deficit can just completely destroyed my body composition. Got really lean at 10.6% body fat according to in-body and 142 pounds in July of this year, and marathon training has caused me to get up to 150 pounds on average in the mornings due to train gain. I’ve definitely developed a better attitude towards food as I used to treat it as a reward. I now view it as fuel for running and IF has helped since I just have periods where I don’t have to worry about eating for the majority of the day. I’ve just never been shredded before and I’d like to feel comfortable taking my shift off at the beach again or when going on long runs.

    Here’s my training log the last week.
  • tcunbeliever
    tcunbeliever Posts: 8,219 Member
    The average person can only metabolize about 1% body fat in any given week.

    60 lbs in 2 months for someone 220 lbs...that's a lot of not-fat that was burned...40+ lbs of muscle or other lean mass.

    For what it's worth, I have a great deal of difficulty building muscle even when I have big strength gains in lifting. I found Leangains to be the best for me in terms of changing body composition...lost 5% body fat in 12 weeks...it's calorie and carb cycling based on lifting days...so you lift 3 days a week and you eat more on those 3 days...then you eat less on the other 4 days...I like this calculator here if you want to check it out...I found it to be easy and sustainable as a method for me to actually grow muscle size, but to each his own.

    https://x-gains.com/MacroCalculator
  • jhawkins16
    jhawkins16 Posts: 29 Member
    You make a good point. I’m an amateur distance runner (5k 19:38, mile 5:30, half marathon 1:31.08, marathon 4:10 (hit the wall at mile 18 running at 3:30 pace) so I burn around 100 miles or more per mile. My Vo2 max is 62 ml/kg and I’m 23 so that is considered excellent for my age. But I just get annoyed because my body doesn’t look like I’m as fit as I am. I think some of it is unrealistic expectations on my part. I normally average around 2,000 to 2,500 calories per day. Some days I run 6-7 miles (650-750 calories burned) others lower (400 calories burned for a short 4 mile run). Most of my miles are in zone 2 for heart rate and power based on the 80/20 principle of distance running. I’ve been giving a lot of thought to the MAF way of running (aerobic training only fit extended periods for an emphasis on fat burning along with a ketogenic WOE to become a fat adapted runner).
  • jhawkins16
    jhawkins16 Posts: 29 Member
    I think when I started distance running I had a wrong idea of what a distance runners body looked like. You’re right mamapegs. I just need to focus on improving my race times and try to eat for my health and not really worry about my body as I’m at a healthy weight already anyway. I think my pre running days of being obese have damaged my outlook on things and I probably will never have a body I’m happy with because of unrealistic expectations. I just gotta work on that mindset.
  • staticsplit
    staticsplit Posts: 538 Member
    GaryRuns wrote: »
    Speaking from my own experience, after running 4 marathons, I found that running that much wasn't particularly healthy, for me. My knees were sore constantly, my hip flexors always felt worn out, my feet had some weird callouses in places there shouldn't be callouses, lost toenails a couple of times, my feet were in pain all the time and my sex drive was low. Some of that was just because I'm terrible about listening to my body. I always hear that movie line "Pain is just weakness leaving the body" running through my head and so I didn't recover sufficiently, especially given my age, but some of it is just par for the course when you run that much.

    I've felt much better since shifting my focus to resistance training with a couple of interval/HIIT classes a week and more moderate cardio. And, like @mmapags, probably even more so, I'm vain, I look much better. :D

    Did I lose weight running that much? Absolutely. When I ran that much I found it almost impossible to eat back all the calories I burned during my peak training weeks. On long run days my Garmin would estimate my calorie burn at 2,800 calories. I wasn't "skinny fat" I was just effing skinny! I do miss the long runs. When you get in a zone running for 3ish hours it's very meditative, but I don't miss the grind of running every day that's required to get to a point where you can do 3+ hour runs. I also miss getting that foot-long Subway steak sandwich smothered in mayo after my long runs and having ZERO worries about the calories! lol. But overall I feel, and look, better.

    Same! I never got into super long distance running, but I did a half marathon. I personally have hypermobile ligaments and after the race I was limping and my back was so sore, despite the fact I had done enough training. Now I do moderate cardio, mostly walking and stationary bike and some short runs (5-10k), combined with yoga and weights. I feel like I have a better all around fitness and also look the best I ever have. And my body hurts a lot less.
  • Pipsqueak1965
    Pipsqueak1965 Posts: 397 Member
    For aesthetics you definitely need to do resistance training of some sort. And like the guys said, weight training and marathon training don't really go together.
  • sgt1372
    sgt1372 Posts: 3,997 Member
    I'm late to this thread but how can you be skinny fat at 5'8" and 148#?

    Those are almost exactly my stats now and my BF as measured by DEXA and hydro is about 10-12% and my BMI is a very acceptable 22.5, well w/in the normal range.

    So, I question whether you (OP) are truly skinny fat

    Granted, I've done a lot of lifting in the past and have visible abs and muscle definition but all I do now is watch what I eat and row.

    All I think you need to do is just supplement your running w/lifting and a higher protein diet to promote greater muscular develooment, making sure you are at a slight caloric surplus and are not burning away all of the cals running.
  • jhawkins16
    jhawkins16 Posts: 29 Member
    Sgt1372 I’m going to get my body fat tested again. I got it tested in July and it was 10.6% BF at 142.6 pounds. I’m curious where it’s at now
  • giancarlov1191
    giancarlov1191 Posts: 493 Member
    I was 148 lbs and skinny fat. I believe him