Tried carnivore?

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  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    edited October 2020
    zamphir66 wrote: »
    Honest Question: What is the environmental impact of this sort of diet?

    Also, it seems like the sort of diet you could only pursue if you live in a developed economy.

    There was a study published in 2017 about how much impact different choices have on the environment. I'm sure you can find it. Diet does have an impact, but not as much as a lot of other choices. The very worst choice in terms of environmental impact is to have a child. In fact, the 2nd worst choice has a tiny effect by comparison.

    ETA: Study https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541

    For the record, I am childfree, I recycle, I drive a hybrid, and rarely travel by plane.
  • briscogun
    briscogun Posts: 1,138 Member
    I read the thread title as "TIRED carnivore". Totally different concept... ;)
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4OmsKEWC10&t=13s
  • zamphir66
    zamphir66 Posts: 582 Member
    T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
    zamphir66 wrote: »
    Honest Question: What is the environmental impact of this sort of diet?

    Also, it seems like the sort of diet you could only pursue if you live in a developed economy.

    There was a study published in 2017 about how much impact different choices have on the environment. I'm sure you can find it. Diet does have an impact, but not as much as a lot of other choices. The very worst choice in terms of environmental impact is to have a child. In fact, the 2nd worst choice has a tiny effect by comparison.

    ETA: Study https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541

    For the record, I am childfree, I recycle, I drive a hybrid, and rarely travel by plane.

    Thank you; I was aware that children had the biggest impact by far.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    skinnyjingbb wrote: »
    rebekahstrachan3 wrote: »
    Basically, I asked if people had tried this diet and what it was like for them. I did not, however, ask for people's opinions on a diet they had never tried nor diet advice.

    I feel carnivore would be a sustainable diet choice for myself as I am looking to reduce inflammation and depression as well as lose some weight while retaining muscle.

    Diets high in carbohydrate do not work for me as I am always left feeling hungry and bloated with low energy. High protein worked for me but I was again always hungry even when consuming 1500+ calories a day.

    Thank you to those whom have left helpful comments.

    Good for you for willing to try it , really silly so many people bash on keto/carnivore diet without trying themselves. It might not be a good diet for people who just want to lose weight but definitely worth trying to help with certain medical condition with help of doctor if possible. I have not done carnivore but just keto, it really helped me reduce hunger, inflammation, headaches However, I do find it is a bit hard to stick to and gave me constipation, so after a while, I slowly added a bit more carb, by experiment, I found my carb tolerance, now I am on a low carb diet that is very sustainable for me.
    I would say definitely gave carnivore diet a try, then if you want to you can try adding a bit of other food one at a time and see if they causes any problem, and find out the best diet for you.

    I do think that people should keep their criticism fact-based and fair, but I don't think that one has to personally try to a diet in order to evaluate the claims made by advocates for it. We can look at the claims made for plant-free diets and compare them to the available evidence (which includes anecdotal reports made by those who have tried the diet, but ideally would go beyond that into things like nutritional studies and known facts about human nutritional needs).

    If someone makes a claim that a plant-free diet of one month has produced meaningful and quantifiable changes in the health and appearance of one's hair, I don't need to give it a go myself in order to justify my skepticism.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,930 Member
    martianvalkyrie wrote: »
    So many negative comments from people haven’t tried or researched this diet. LOL. I’ve been on a strict carnivore diet for nearly a month. So far, I lost 20.2 lbs. My pores have tightened up and I lost several skin tags. My hair has gotten very shiny and healthy looking. I haven’t felt depression. I have more energy to keep up with my child, and I don’t feel like I need to sleep as much. My teeth feel cleaner. I can fast for 24 hours without feeling hunger. I also no longer feel inflammation in my legs and feet. Someone earlier mentioned counting calories; I don’t do that. I have been eating steaks, burger patties, bacon, eggs, liver, cheese, and pork rinds as much as I want. I feel better than I have in years. I did have diarrhea for the first week, but that is normal for me since I no longer have a gallbladder. Now I go to the bathroom way less and it’s fine. The first couple of days were rough, but once I got past that it’s been pretty easy. Is it sustainable? No clue. I’m still going to continue as long as I see positive results.

    So basically, if you've lost 20lbs in a month then you've eaten under your maintenance calories by 2300 calories each day.
  • 4Phoenix
    4Phoenix Posts: 236 Member
    No...I live a healthy lifestyle.
  • Dante_80
    Dante_80 Posts: 479 Member
    yirara wrote: »
    martianvalkyrie wrote: »
    So many negative comments from people haven’t tried or researched this diet. LOL. I’ve been on a strict carnivore diet for nearly a month. So far, I lost 20.2 lbs. My pores have tightened up and I lost several skin tags. My hair has gotten very shiny and healthy looking. I haven’t felt depression. I have more energy to keep up with my child, and I don’t feel like I need to sleep as much. My teeth feel cleaner. I can fast for 24 hours without feeling hunger. I also no longer feel inflammation in my legs and feet. Someone earlier mentioned counting calories; I don’t do that. I have been eating steaks, burger patties, bacon, eggs, liver, cheese, and pork rinds as much as I want. I feel better than I have in years. I did have diarrhea for the first week, but that is normal for me since I no longer have a gallbladder. Now I go to the bathroom way less and it’s fine. The first couple of days were rough, but once I got past that it’s been pretty easy. Is it sustainable? No clue. I’m still going to continue as long as I see positive results.

    So basically, if you've lost 20lbs in a month then you've eaten under your maintenance calories by 2300 calories each day.

    Or, a good chunk of the weight lost was not body fat. It is possible to lose 20lb at the first month of a carb-restriction diet, but much of that would be water.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,930 Member
    Dante_80 wrote: »
    yirara wrote: »
    martianvalkyrie wrote: »
    So many negative comments from people haven’t tried or researched this diet. LOL. I’ve been on a strict carnivore diet for nearly a month. So far, I lost 20.2 lbs. My pores have tightened up and I lost several skin tags. My hair has gotten very shiny and healthy looking. I haven’t felt depression. I have more energy to keep up with my child, and I don’t feel like I need to sleep as much. My teeth feel cleaner. I can fast for 24 hours without feeling hunger. I also no longer feel inflammation in my legs and feet. Someone earlier mentioned counting calories; I don’t do that. I have been eating steaks, burger patties, bacon, eggs, liver, cheese, and pork rinds as much as I want. I feel better than I have in years. I did have diarrhea for the first week, but that is normal for me since I no longer have a gallbladder. Now I go to the bathroom way less and it’s fine. The first couple of days were rough, but once I got past that it’s been pretty easy. Is it sustainable? No clue. I’m still going to continue as long as I see positive results.

    So basically, if you've lost 20lbs in a month then you've eaten under your maintenance calories by 2300 calories each day.

    Or, a good chunk of the weight lost was not body fat. It is possible to lose 20lb at the first month of a carb-restriction diet, but much of that would be water.

    It's very likely. Dante didn't say how heavy they were, but if we assume 5lbs or even 10lbs waterweight, then they are still running a massive deficit.
  • youngmomtaz
    youngmomtaz Posts: 1,075 Member
    zamphir66 wrote: »
    Honest Question: What is the environmental impact of this sort of diet?

    Pretty good in reality. Meat can in so many cases be grown local to the consumer and unlike produce and grains does not need to be shipped upwards of thousands of miles to reach its final consumer. It is grown on ground unsuitable for grains(rocky, too many wet spots, insufficient growth without tons of chemical added) and without pushing out the many, many varieties of natural wildlife that live on the land. The excrement can be spread on land that is in need of the nutrients and facilitates growth of crop while reducing the chemical additions. When you think of the fuel used to go over a piece of ground 5 or more times a year(more in areas where the growing season facilitates more than one yearly crop) vs the occasional animal health checks via atvs or a single half ton, there is even more environmental savings than just the ones listed above from burned fuel.

    Before we started hobby farming my meat came from at most 150km away. Now it travels less than 5miles round trip for processing then back to my plate.
  • whoami67
    whoami67 Posts: 297 Member
    jamloche wrote: »

    It turns out that I never made it into ketosis and lost almost no weight at all. Why? Well, I finally did the reading, and it turns out our amazing bodies are able to convert excess protein into glucose. Who knew? At the end of the day, I would still have to limit my volume if I wanted to lose weight, and I lost interest immediately. If I have to restrict the VOLUME of food I eat, then I'd rather not restrict the KIND of food I eat.

    I knew. I think a lot of people on keto diets aren't actually in ketosis because they eat too much protein. And all weight loss requires us to limit the amount of calories. The different plans really just make it easier for people to do that. One person may find that a balanced approach is the most satiating. Another may find that a carnivore diet is most satiating. A third may find high carb and a fourth high fat to be most satiating. You just have to find what makes you feel best, but you still have to eat less than you burn off (fewer calories, not necessarily less volume) in order to lose weight.
  • VeryKatie
    VeryKatie Posts: 5,961 Member
    edited October 2020
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  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    jamloche wrote: »
    I tried the carnivore diet, but I was only interested in weight loss ... I guess I viewed it sort of like the "Keto Diet" without all the reading. In my ignorance, I believed that fewer carbs meant more weight loss, so shooting for "Carnivore Diet" seemed to be a great way to eliminate ALL carbs and eat as much meat as I want. That sounded like keto-heaven to me. But it didn't quite work out that way.

    Enter reality. Exit joy.

    It turns out that I never made it into ketosis and lost almost no weight at all. Why? Well, I finally did the reading, and it turns out our amazing bodies are able to convert excess protein into glucose. Who knew? At the end of the day, I would still have to limit my volume if I wanted to lose weight, and I lost interest immediately. If I have to restrict the VOLUME of food I eat, then I'd rather not restrict the KIND of food I eat.

    I would recommend more a bit more research. First off, both excessive fats and proteins and go through gluconeogenesis. It's often at a 60/40 ratio. So reducing protein for more fat would only cause greater amounts of fat to be converted (given equal calories). Second, gluconeogenesis is a demand driven process... It only happens when it truly needs glucose for red blood cells and the cns.

    Given you don't need to produce ketones or be in ketosis for fat loss, the reason you weren't losing was from too many calories. I suspect you know that since you discussed reduction of volume.


    OP, i ran the Keto diet for about six months during my last cut. I never go low enough and ate foods that wouldn't have been carnivore approved. I enjoyed how full i felt with Keto and how much longer i could go without food. I ultimately came off for two reasons; 1. The significant impact on my gym performance (like 25% reduction to all my lifts) and 2. I enjoy large amounts of fruit.

    My concern with carnivore is a bit of the unknown. There is a lot of data (hundreds of studies) supporting the benefits of fruits and vegetables. There is practically no data on a diet void of them.
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    I don't know why but I keep reading this as Tired Carnivore. :|

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