Am I doing too much exercise
sofrances
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I have read that people who succeed at maintenance do a lot of exercise. However, the amount of time exercise is taking is getting me down a bit, especially given that meal prep is taking me a while too.
Currently I'm doing:
20 - 30 mins brisk walk in morning (but with warm up and warm down it can end up as 50).
10 min brisk walk after dinner (but with warm up ends up more like 20)
20 mins hit 5 days a week (plus 10 mins for warm up and warm down)
20 mins yoga every day.
10 -12 mins bodyweight exercises spread throughout the day. (I take a rest from this at weekends. The aim is to counteract my very sedentary job.)
There are also irregular exercises, like longer bike rides and country walks on weekends, which are always in addition to rather than instead of the routine exercise.
I'm especially worried this will become unsustainable once COVID is over and I'm back in the office. Currently I get most of this done in the morning, but i have no commute at the moment.
I can work the walking into my commute, and the bodyweight exercises will probably have to be replaced by doing weights at the gym a few times a week, but that still leaves the HIIT and yoga.
What do you think? Am I being excessive? Should I cut my calories and cut the exercise a bit? My weight is still trending down, although I have managed to level it off a bit since entering maintenance.
I don't want to just fall right off the wagon, so I need a fallback plan for if this all gets too much.
Currently I'm doing:
20 - 30 mins brisk walk in morning (but with warm up and warm down it can end up as 50).
10 min brisk walk after dinner (but with warm up ends up more like 20)
20 mins hit 5 days a week (plus 10 mins for warm up and warm down)
20 mins yoga every day.
10 -12 mins bodyweight exercises spread throughout the day. (I take a rest from this at weekends. The aim is to counteract my very sedentary job.)
There are also irregular exercises, like longer bike rides and country walks on weekends, which are always in addition to rather than instead of the routine exercise.
I'm especially worried this will become unsustainable once COVID is over and I'm back in the office. Currently I get most of this done in the morning, but i have no commute at the moment.
I can work the walking into my commute, and the bodyweight exercises will probably have to be replaced by doing weights at the gym a few times a week, but that still leaves the HIIT and yoga.
What do you think? Am I being excessive? Should I cut my calories and cut the exercise a bit? My weight is still trending down, although I have managed to level it off a bit since entering maintenance.
I don't want to just fall right off the wagon, so I need a fallback plan for if this all gets too much.
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That does sound like a lot of scheduling but only if you're worried that it's a lot. I mean, your body will let you know if you are having trouble recovering and there are only so many hours in a day, but other than that...many people exercise less or more. Up to you.
The actual activity itself doesn't really sound excessive.2 -
I do feel ache and tired by bedtime, but that's a good thing in some ways - at least I'm sleeping well. I also get head rushes quite a lot, but that also happened when I was a similar weight in my early 20s, and I wasn't doing any exercise then, so I think that's just what happens to me at this weight. (I'm pretty sure I'm getting plenty of calories). So I don't think my body is unequivocally telling me to stop.
Strict scheduling helps me a lot, especially when it comes to the less intrinsically enjoyable exercises like HIIT. But that doesn't mean I can't alter the schedule in a planned way.1 -
Head rushes? Like dizziness? That could be electrolytes or hydration...might be worth talking to a doctor.0
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Yeah, dizziness. I passed out once for a second - but again, this also happened 10 years ago when I was a similar weight (only the once then as well). Happens when I stand up quickly.
It isn't consistent. Some days or weeks I don't get them at all.1 -
"pretty sure" does not sound ideal in terms of your calories being adequate.
Head rushes should be investigated. I'd check in with your doctor about that unless there is an obvious cause such as dehydration. I don't see why your weight should have anything to do with it.
The actual exercise sounds fine but because you are breaking it up into so many sessions your warm up and cool down time is disproportionate. If you are pushed for time you may have to look at fewer numbers of sessions. Or could you perhaps alternate the HIIT and yoga?
Exercise is wonderful but it's not the be all and end all of maintenance. That's calories. Exercise just gives you more wriggle room.2 -
SnifterPug wrote: »"pretty sure" does not sound ideal in terms of your calories being adequate.
Head rushes should be investigated. I'd check in with your doctor about that unless there is an obvious cause such as dehydration. I don't see why your weight should have anything to do with it.
The actual exercise sounds fine but because you are breaking it up into so many sessions your warm up and cool down time is disproportionate. If you are pushed for time you may have to look at fewer numbers of sessions. Or could you perhaps alternate the HIIT and yoga?
Exercise is wonderful but it's not the be all and end all of maintenance. That's calories. Exercise just gives you more wriggle room.
I'm consuming 2700 calories, which seems like quite a lot, although I'm a fairly tall man. My weight is still currently trending down a bit though.
In terms of warm up and warm down, I guess HIIT and walking require different sorts of warm up? I usually walk and then come straight in to do my HIIT. For walking warm up/down I just walk slowly, and for HIIT there are specific warm up/down videos I do. Although I guess I don't need to warm down from walking if I'm going straight in to do my HIIT...0 -
If you are really doing HIIT (and not circuit training or calisthenics as so many confuse the terms) then five days a week is a simply dreadful idea.
If that is maximal or very close to maximal effort cardio intervals then stop doing it so freqently. Once a week would be a lot.
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I'm pretty sure less than 1% of people who say they're doing HIIT have ever done even One Session of HIIT. 14 -
If you are feeling down about your current agenda, then it is too much.
If you're still trending downward (weight) when you are in maintenance, decrease your exercise but don't necessarily change your eating. I would not cut out the body weight exercises personally.
Figure out what you like, what you can live without - and spread out the live-withouts to be fewer per week.1 -
My general rule of thumb is that when someone feels their current exercise routine is unsustainable and they don't feel like it's adding enough value to their life, it's time to rethink it.
What I've heard isn't that successful maintainers necessarily do A LOT of exercise (in terms of hours), it's that they're regularly doing it. And the moderate exercise regime that fits easily into your life and you enjoy is going to be a lot easier to do regularly and for years than the one that already feels like too much.
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That sounds like what I would consider a bare minimum of exercise for myself. But what’s important is whether it’s too much for you. Can you roll some of your sessions into one longer session, and end up feeling less like you are going all the time with no breaks?2
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I work a lot. Like 12-13 hours days sometimes. And I was never on the "COVID-work-from-home" list, so I have to get my exercise in all at one time. I wake up and do anywhere from 30-60 minutes in the mornings (6 days a week, take one day off for good behavior). I mix it up every other day: strength training (maybe add in some yoga), running, rinse, wash, repeat. Warm up once, knock it all out, cool down/stretch, move on with my day.
Some days will I go for a walk in the evening with the wife or take a leisurely bike ride? Sure! But I don't count that as intentional exercise, its just leisure time that I happen to be slowly moving.
You don't have to be constantly exercising/moving to successfully maintain. That's just one way for some people. My success is more with watching my calorie intake and my exercise is for my health benefits not my weight maintenance. But that's just me. Find something that works for you, but if you are tiring out from doing multiple sessions a day, then time to rethink it.5 -
If you are really doing HIIT (and not circuit training or calisthenics as so many confuse the terms) then five days a week is a simply dreadful idea.
If that is maximal or very close to maximal effort cardio intervals then stop doing it so freqently. Once a week would be a lot.
Its a Joe Wicks workout, so probably not really HIIT.2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »That sounds like what I would consider a bare minimum of exercise for myself. But what’s important is whether it’s too much for you. Can you roll some of your sessions into one longer session, and end up feeling less like you are going all the time with no breaks?
It feels like a lot to me at the moment. Not so much in terms of effort, but in terms of time. Nowadays I'm serious about always getting eight hours sleep as well, so it just feels like I have less time in general. (Incidentally, if you haven't read "Why We Sleep" by Matthew Walker, do yourself a favour and read it).
But my priority has to be doing whats necessary to stay healthy and not end up obese again.
I'll try to think about streamlining / combining some warmup time and rolling more into one session. I do most of it in the morning, so there's scope for that.
The reason I do a separate walk in the evening is that I read something suggesting some specific benefits to exercising after your main meal. But it may be nonsense, who knows.0 -
My weight is still trending down, although I have managed to level it off a bit since entering maintenance.
Just FYI - you have not entered maintenance yet if your weight is still trending down a little.
You are still in a diet, even if just a little.
If you eat enough and allow enough time for recovery from hard efforts, and you can fit these things into schedule - then doesn't sound like TOO much.
Since you understand the aspect of eating less when you do less, if schedule changes you know what to do.
Since you seem to think it's already a tad overwhelming and could become even more so - I'd ask yourself why is each of these workouts being done?
Like, perhaps the HIIT was started because you heard it was great at burning fat, or calories, or whatever part of the fad use of the term caught your attention.
But perhaps that isn't needed now - perhaps at almost maintenance you don't need the extra calories to be able to enjoy eating enough.
Or perhaps it was done for the resistance training aspect and you still enjoy it.
It calls to mind people that get so hung up on step challenges I've seen some state they don't want to do what they know would be a better workout for them than walking - because they want to be at the top of the leaderboard.
So just saying - examine the workouts - is their purpose part of a goal you have now for the body - or would you rather use the time doing another workout, or less time in general?
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My weight is still trending down, although I have managed to level it off a bit since entering maintenance.
Just FYI - you have not entered maintenance yet if your weight is still trending down a little.
You are still in a diet, even if just a little.
If you eat enough and allow enough time for recovery from hard efforts, and you can fit these things into schedule - then doesn't sound like TOO much.
Since you understand the aspect of eating less when you do less, if schedule changes you know what to do.
Since you seem to think it's already a tad overwhelming and could become even more so - I'd ask yourself why is each of these workouts being done?
Like, perhaps the HIIT was started because you heard it was great at burning fat, or calories, or whatever part of the fad use of the term caught your attention.
But perhaps that isn't needed now - perhaps at almost maintenance you don't need the extra calories to be able to enjoy eating enough.
Or perhaps it was done for the resistance training aspect and you still enjoy it.
It calls to mind people that get so hung up on step challenges I've seen some state they don't want to do what they know would be a better workout for them than walking - because they want to be at the top of the leaderboard.
So just saying - examine the workouts - is their purpose part of a goal you have now for the body - or would you rather use the time doing another workout, or less time in general?
I think when you start trying to lose weight you throw a lot of things at the wall. You count calories, you think about restricting carbs a bit, you read some theory about omega 3:6 ratios so you throw away your sunflower oil and only use olive oil. You try HIIT (or what you think is HIIT) because you hear its super efficient.
Then when you have lost weight, you don't know which parts are essential and which you can let go of. There's a tendency to want to cling onto everything that got you to your initial success.4 -
If you are really doing HIIT (and not circuit training or calisthenics as so many confuse the terms) then five days a week is a simply dreadful idea.
If that is maximal or very close to maximal effort cardio intervals then stop doing it so freqently. Once a week would be a lot.
Its a Joe Wicks workout, so probably not really HIIT.
Phew! That's good news.
Not even remotely HIIT, the only crossover is that it is interval training in nature. If it was HIIT Joe Wicks would have to stop talking, which would be a relief!
HIIT (real HIIT which feels like you are about to die) is super efficient in terms of time invested for making rapid progress over a few weeks in your VO2 max. But that's honestly not particularly significant to the majority of people doing recreational exercise for fitness. After a few weeks less aggressive methods of training start to close the gap with the benefit you may actually enjoy your exercise.
It's not the public's fault that the label HIIT gets hung on everything - just a sales pitch from trainers.6 -
@sofrances, have you seen the Joe Rogan/ Matthew Walker interview? Fascinating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaWilO_Pig&list=FLEAWwHjMeZOD70TP0dp6fzQ&index=30 0 -
My criteria for too much:
1) Excessive body aches/injuries despite proper prep/warm-up/stretches, technique, and equipment
2) Excessive fatigue despite eating, resting, and sleeping enough
3) Unfavorable life balance
4) Quantity is trumping quality
I am in a bit of a 4 right now myself. I see it though so I am beginning to address it.4 -
The recommendation for health is 45 minutes of moderate intensity 5 days a week. Anything beyond that is personal preference. As Janejellyroll said above, the important part of exercise in maintenance is consistency. Maintenance is about finding the balance of calories in and calories out that you can sustain over the long term. It is individual to each person. If you feel your routine is taking too much time, so you don't have time for other activities you would prefer, then it is time to change it.5
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@sofrances - wanted to talk to you about the head rushes - have you ever taken your blood pressure after one of those dizzy spells? Your blood pressure may be too low. Certainly worth discussing with your doctor. Please take it from one who learned the hard way - those dizzy spells can be dangerous. I fainted from one and fell flat against the hard wood floor. Smashed my glasses, had a huge black eye, swollen cheek and a mild concussion. Don't let that happen to you.4
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cmriverside wrote: »@sofrances, have you seen the Joe Rogan/ Matthew Walker interview? Fascinating.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaWilO_Pig&list=FLEAWwHjMeZOD70TP0dp6fzQ&index=30
I haven't seen that. I'll take a look, thanks 😊0 -
@sofrances - wanted to talk to you about the head rushes - have you ever taken your blood pressure after one of those dizzy spells? Your blood pressure may be too low. Certainly worth discussing with your doctor. Please take it from one who learned the hard way - those dizzy spells can be dangerous. I fainted from one and fell flat against the hard wood floor. Smashed my glasses, had a huge black eye, swollen cheek and a mild concussion. Don't let that happen to you.
I had my blood pressure checked a few weeks ago and it was described as "perfect", although I can't remember the number. Of course, that wasn't during one of these dizzy spells.
I'm definitely giving serious consideration to talking to my doctor about it though.1 -
I add my exercise to my day. I walk my dog - total around an hour. l make a real effort to walk at work (which I went to work) - now I walk at lunch instead.
Anyway, an hour or more of walking 7 days a week. I actually consciously use it to think and plan as well as relax, so it's not wasted time. I've been maintaining for maybe six years?1 -
@sofrances - wanted to talk to you about the head rushes - have you ever taken your blood pressure after one of those dizzy spells? Your blood pressure may be too low. Certainly worth discussing with your doctor. Please take it from one who learned the hard way - those dizzy spells can be dangerous. I fainted from one and fell flat against the hard wood floor. Smashed my glasses, had a huge black eye, swollen cheek and a mild concussion. Don't let that happen to you.
I had my blood pressure checked a few weeks ago and it was described as "perfect", although I can't remember the number. Of course, that wasn't during one of these dizzy spells.
I'm definitely giving serious consideration to talking to my doctor about it though.
Has anyone ever mentioned the possibility of orthostatic hypotension a.k.a. postural hypotension? That's a situation where your blood pressure might be normal on a regular test, but it drops when you stand up quickly (or some similar movement). It can cause fainting. Talk to your doctor.0 -
@sofrances - wanted to talk to you about the head rushes - have you ever taken your blood pressure after one of those dizzy spells? Your blood pressure may be too low. Certainly worth discussing with your doctor. Please take it from one who learned the hard way - those dizzy spells can be dangerous. I fainted from one and fell flat against the hard wood floor. Smashed my glasses, had a huge black eye, swollen cheek and a mild concussion. Don't let that happen to you.
I had my blood pressure checked a few weeks ago and it was described as "perfect", although I can't remember the number. Of course, that wasn't during one of these dizzy spells.
I'm definitely giving serious consideration to talking to my doctor about it though.
Has anyone ever mentioned the possibility of orthostatic hypotension a.k.a. postural hypotension? That's a situation where your blood pressure might be normal on a regular test, but it drops when you stand up quickly (or some similar movement). It can cause fainting. Talk to your doctor.
Will do. Thanks.1 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »The recommendation for health is 45 minutes of moderate intensity 5 days a week. Anything beyond that is personal preference. As Janejellyroll said above, the important part of exercise in maintenance is consistency. Maintenance is about finding the balance of calories in and calories out that you can sustain over the long term. It is individual to each person. If you feel your routine is taking too much time, so you don't have time for other activities you would prefer, then it is time to change it.
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