my doc says don't eat exercise calories??????

LotusF1ower

Thats what my doc says too. I THOUGHT people were full of baloney to say to eat exercise cals so I asked my doc. My doc says that people who say that just want permission to overeat. Do NOT eat your exercies cals!

Your doctor is way off base and has no idea how MFP works.

I think some people on this site are way off base and have no idea of the way Doctors work.

How bloody arrogant can some people get.

Doctors spend years and years training in the medical profession, can anybody on here (unless they are of that profession) really say they claim to know more than a doctor does when it comes to bodily functions?

I am astounded to be honest and all those that are giving advice to ignore the person's doctor should be ashamed of themselves.

Oh, study at dieting for a few months and know more than a professional who has trained for years.

To the OP - stick with your doctor's advice, they know you inside out and have your medical history at the ready. Take notice of strangers at your peril.

ps everybody, I am just wondering what my doctor would think if I were to sit opposite from him and say

"you are speaking crap, they tell me so on the net"

"who is?" he asks

"Well lots of strangers actually, they have been dieting for a few months you see, they know what they are talking about"

Really?

jkohan

Thats what my doc says too. I THOUGHT people were full of baloney to say to eat exercise cals so I asked my doc. My doc says that people who say that just want permission to overeat. Do NOT eat your exercies cals!

Your doctor is way off base and has no idea how MFP works.

I think some people on this site are way off base and have no idea of the way Doctors work.

How bloody arrogant can some people get.

Doctors spend years and years training in the medical profession, can anybody on here (unless they are of that profession) really say they claim to know more than a doctor does when it comes to bodily functions?

I am astounded to be honest and all those that are giving advice to ignore the person's doctor should be ashamed of themselves.

Oh, study at dieting for a few months and know more than a professional who has trained for years.

To the OP - stick with your doctor's advice, they know you inside out and have your medical history at the ready. Take notice of strangers at your peril.

ps everybody, I am just wondering what my doctor would think if I were to sit opposite from him and say

"you are speaking crap, they tell me so on the net"

"who is?" he asks

"Well lots of strangers actually, they have been dieting for a few months you see, they know what they are talking about"

Really?

Since you quoted me and are being quite arrogant yourself for clearly seeking out my post, I feel the need to respond.

I was NOT referring to her doctor's advice to not eating the calories. I was referring to this comment: "My doc says that people who say that just want permission to overeat." That is a crap thing for any doctor to say, arrogant or not. AND, it is NOT how MFP works, now is it?

Mindful_Trent

I think some people on this site are way off base and have no idea of the way Doctors work.

How bloody arrogant can some people get.

Doctors spend years and years training in the medical profession, can anybody on here (unless they are of that profession) really say they claim to know more than a doctor does when it comes to bodily functions?

Actually it's important to realize that no doctor is an expert in everything related to health. Most general practitioners are exactly that - *general* practitioners and are not experts on nutrition/weight loss. My general practitioner suggested I see the practice's nutrition expert, who has a master's in public health in nutrition degree when I asked her some nutrition questions because she knows that just because she's a doctor doesn't mean she's the best person to answer my questions.

Doctors are human and are biased/misinformed/make mistakes just like the rest of us and sometimes give advice on things they really aren't the most informed on. I've had personal experiences with doctors giving bad advice - people need to know it's okay to question their doctors and shouldn't assume that doctors are always right.

Samantharose8akaDebbie

I will add my two cents for whatever they are worth.......lol! I have lost 37 lbs and have eaten my exercise calories every day:laugh:

LotusF1ower

I think some people on this site are way off base and have no idea of the way Doctors work.

How bloody arrogant can some people get.

Doctors spend years and years training in the medical profession, can anybody on here (unless they are of that profession) really say they claim to know more than a doctor does when it comes to bodily functions?

Actually it's important to realize that no doctor is an expert in everything related to health. Most general practitioners are exactly that - *general* practitioners and are not experts on nutrition/weight loss. My general practitioner suggested I see the practice's nutrition expert, who has a master's in public health in nutrition degree when I asked her some nutrition questions because she knows that just because she's a doctor doesn't mean she's the best person to answer my questions.

Doctors are human and are biased/misinformed/make mistakes just like the rest of us and sometimes give advice on things they really aren't the most informed on. I've had personal experiences with doctors giving bad advice - people need to know it's okay to question their doctors and shouldn't assume that doctors are always right.

I will still say they know a bloody lot more than 99% of the general public when it comes to bodily functions.

General Practioners will train for over nine or ten years to get to a GP, so I really do consider that they are a little more qualified than message board forums are.

Anybody who is given bad advice by their doctor needs to change their GP.

Questioning their doctor is one thing, but to override somebody else's doctor is a bad idea.

LotusF1ower

Thats what my doc says too. I THOUGHT people were full of baloney to say to eat exercise cals so I asked my doc. My doc says that people who say that just want permission to overeat. Do NOT eat your exercies cals!

Your doctor is way off base and has no idea how MFP works.

I think some people on this site are way off base and have no idea of the way Doctors work.

How bloody arrogant can some people get.

Doctors spend years and years training in the medical profession, can anybody on here (unless they are of that profession) really say they claim to know more than a doctor does when it comes to bodily functions?

I am astounded to be honest and all those that are giving advice to ignore the person's doctor should be ashamed of themselves.

Oh, study at dieting for a few months and know more than a professional who has trained for years.

To the OP - stick with your doctor's advice, they know you inside out and have your medical history at the ready. Take notice of strangers at your peril.

ps everybody, I am just wondering what my doctor would think if I were to sit opposite from him and say

"you are speaking crap, they tell me so on the net"

"who is?" he asks

"Well lots of strangers actually, they have been dieting for a few months you see, they know what they are talking about"

Really?

Since you quoted me and are being quite arrogant yourself for clearly seeking out my post, I feel the need to respond.

I was NOT referring to her doctor's advice to not eating the calories. I was referring to this comment: "My doc says that people who say that just want permission to overeat." That is a crap thing for any doctor to say, arrogant or not. AND, it is NOT how MFP works, now is it?

It may not be how MFP planned for it to work, however, I have seen some of the "exercise" some people input in order to eat their extra calories, so I could quite believe that for some people it is just an excuse to continue eating.

Their choice, but then they can hardly moan when the weight doesn't shift and I am in no way referring to the original poster in this statement either.

How is it arrogant quoting your posting? I did not "seek" out your post, I read it and clicked on "quote" - I don't deliberately seek out anybodys posting sheesh :laugh:

Mindful_Trent

I will still say they know a bloody lot more than 99% of the general public when it comes to bodily functions.

General Practioners will train for over nine or ten years to get to a GP, so I really do consider that they are a little more qualified than message board forums are.

Anybody who is given bad advice by their doctor needs to change their GP.

Questioning their doctor is one thing, but to override somebody else's doctor is a bad idea.

I definitely agree that in most cases doctors are more qualified to give advice than everyday folk about health, however, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that a doctor who says not to eat exercise calories back may not understand how MFP is designed to work. (Yes, people abuse the "eating exercise calories back", but if it's done correctly it works.) I also know that I wouldn't hesitate to tell someone I cared about if I thought that advice they were given from their doctor was unreasonable/off-base.

I don't see anything wrong with challenging advice that a doctor has given someone. Each of us is responsible for making our own decisions, and telling someone they think their doctor is wrong is in no way "overriding" that doctor. Only the individual who is making the decision can do that. Even doctors don't agree about what the best way is to lose weight... and I've heard of some "doctors" supporting some pretty ridiculous weight loss methods (ridiculous in my opinion). I think it's each person's responsibility to seek multiple sources of information, including info from doctors, nutritionists, research, other people's experience, our own experince etc. and to synthesize all of that into deciding what is right for them.

Really not trying to be argumentative here. :flowerforyou: Just trying to make sure it's clear what I'm trying to say and expand upon my initial thoughts.

batty5

Interesting to hear so many differing opinions & think at the end of the day we have to learn to listen to our bodies but the problem is we have killed those natural eating instincts by overeating. Looks as if my journey will be long but am pleased to report a loss in both weight & inches : 2" off bust & 2" off bum & 3" off waist so my last 16 months of swimming trying to build on poor fitness after a back op is finally paying off. Think I can truly say that I am converting some fat to muscle but because I have been doing this for so long as I don't think this happens in weeks but in months.
I am trying to stick as close to 1000 calories per day as possible although after a long, strenuous swim this is not always easy. Have also discovered that my arthritis & NSAIDs will, at tie cause excess water retention so think this is part of my problem.
My diary is open if anyone wants to look at it & any added suggestions are welcome. Thanks for the interest & support.

unocentavo

May I make a suggestion? I watched an interesting BBC program on weight loss and they showed that on average, people under-report their calories, even when keeping a food journal. In a case study, there was a woman who swore up and down that she ate well between 1100-1200 calories but couldn't lose weight and blamed her lack of progress to a slow metabolism.

I would place my bet on this reason.

Most of us are not going to be dead-on 100% of the time in our MFP diary. This diary is much easier for me than remembering to write it down by hand each morning, but the one member who said it isn't 100% right is correct also. I compare mine to a BMR formula I was taught in my training certification class and there's at least a 10% difference.
The MFP has me at 2620 calories per day and I almost always have 500-600 cal. remaining, even on cheat days.

I'd say DON'T eat your extra calories, especially if you're not feeling hungry. You may have missed adding something or the MFP is not calculating your totals as accurately as you think. Also, when it comes to diet, I'd take a general MD's advice with a grain of salt.

LittleSpy

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stroutman81

I will still say they know a bloody lot more than 99% of the general public when it comes to bodily functions.

General Practioners will train for over nine or ten years to get to a GP, so I really do consider that they are a little more qualified than message board forums are.

Anybody who is given bad advice by their doctor needs to change their GP.

Questioning their doctor is one thing, but to override somebody else's doctor is a bad idea.

You'd be surprised how horrible most GPs are in the context of helping people lose weight. They have very little schooling, relatively speaking, in actual dietetics. And in my experience* many are simply atrocious at offering weight loss/control guidance.

*Take my experience for what it's worth - I've been a fitness consultant for just over a decade and have worked closely with many doctors in the Philadelphia area. Am I an expert on doctor quality? Nope. Just offering my 2 cents since I do have quite a bit of experience in this context.

stormieweather

May I make a suggestion? I watched an interesting BBC program on weight loss and they showed that on average, people under-report their calories, even when keeping a food journal. In a case study, there was a woman who swore up and down that she ate well between 1100-1200 calories but couldn't lose weight and blamed her lack of progress to a slow metabolism.

I would place my bet on this reason.

Most of us are not going to be dead-on 100% of the time in our MFP diary. This diary is much easier for me than remembering to write it down by hand each morning, but the one member who said it isn't 100% right is correct also. I compare mine to a BMR formula I was taught in my training certification class and there's at least a 10% difference.
The MFP has me at 2620 calories per day and I almost always have 500-600 cal. remaining, even on cheat days.

I'd say DON'T eat your extra calories, especially if you're not feeling hungry. You may have missed adding something or the MFP is not calculating your totals as accurately as you think. Also, when it comes to diet, I'd take a general MD's advice with a grain of salt.

I'd say this would be reasonable except that all too often it's a case of either a) the person in question is burning 800+ calories per day in cardio and barely eating 1200 and b) many of us have fubar'd our hunger mechanism.

I've come to believe that the people who say they cannot lose weight by eating their exercise calories are a) overestimating their burn and/or b) underestimating their intake. It's really easy to do...both of them simultaneously will wipe out your deficit.

batty5

"I've come to believe that the people who say they cannot lose weight by eating their exercise calories are a) overestimating their burn and/or b) underestimating their intake. It's really easy to do...both of them simultaneously will wipe out your deficit."

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Now I think you have it & in my case think it may be the "burn" because mfp presumably has it set at an average burn per type of exercise per body weight & naturally no one is average (who would even want to be called "average").I am taking a sensible approach with 1000 set as basic calories & on my workout days I still try to stick to 1200, more importantly I am eating loads of fresh fruit & vegetables & am pleased with the results so far. Years ago 1,000 calories per day was always the base line anyway for women at least. At least I am now 20% of the way there!

spicy618

I ate every single "exercise calorie" and lost over 30 lbs. It took me over a year, but in that time I learned how to change my "Lifestyle". If there is a deficit there is a loss, eventually.

Just saying :flowerforyou: